This week Farz starts us off with THE cautionary tale of the Australian Outback, the many murders committed by Ivan Milat. We won’t look up the stats but hopefully, less people are hitchhiking these days - if you do, please be wildly careful or wildly brave like potential victim, Paul Onions. This is the story that the movie “Wolf Creek” is based off of - Farz does not recommend it as a date night movie! Ivan via Wikipedia The Outback and pictures of unrelated people risking their lives via the creative commons Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/doomedtofailpod/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/doomedtofailpod Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@doomedtofailpod Email: doomedtofailpod@gmail.com
This week Farz starts us off with THE cautionary tale of the Australian Outback, the many murders committed by Ivan Milat. We won’t look up the stats but hopefully, less people are hitchhiking these days - if you do, please be wildly careful or wildly brave like potential victim, Paul Onions. This is the story that the movie “Wolf Creek” is based off of - Farz does not recommend it as a date night movie!
Ivan via Wikipedia
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so Taylor we are up and running and we now have one full week of
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experimentation on whether splitting the episodes up seems to be a good thing or a bad thing I feel like the influx of
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people writing to us means it's a good thing yeah I mean also I mean that also coincides with our ad I have one person
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that we don't know she did mention that she was like I could take it or leave it and I was like perfect and then Juan who
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we do know my husband whose idea was he was like you guys sounded nervous and not convinced and I was like it was our
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first time what did you think we were gonna be excited what so happens
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do you wanna I do want to point out that so far Taylor I am absolutely crushing
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us or crushing it in the rankings I have one more listen than you have
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which I am worried this is going to tear us apart it's already starting
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it is absolutely already starting I'm gonna get some other devices and just listen to mine so I'm gonna get one more
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there you go I guess case it actually doesn't matter who goes first because
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what is it it's gonna be spliced up anyways right yeah well why don't you go first and we'll just because we can keep
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people guessing Okay I guess or we yeah yeah we definitely can
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yes I'm drinking diet coke and wine not together separately I know I know you know this but I just got home from Girl
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Scout camp and it was super fun but I've just done like seven loads of laundry it was very dusty and dirty but a blast and
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we made it just in time our car broke down all these things happened but I have mine definitely feel
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better the Mazda is still broken down I mean there's nothing open on the weekends so I had to like it like broke
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down in the middle of like a big road here in town and then it had a weird noise and then the screen said warning
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pull over now so I pulled over um and then I drove it to a garage and they were like we close in 10 minutes
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you have to be here in 10 minutes so I drove only at that point it wouldn't even go faster than 20 and it was
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getting really hot it's like I have no idea I don't know and so I like kind of coasted into the garage made it just in
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time and they're gonna look at it tomorrow which is Monday so and then then I got to the Enterprise Saturday
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morning to go to Girl Scout camp and they were like I don't have any cars and I started to cry and they gave me a pickup truck
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there you go I'm home and I'm happy to be home in the Ford the Ford truck is still
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working right oh yeah that one's brand new that one's working fine I ended up getting a gigantic I don't know some GM
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something so I have a gigantic truck now that I drove up into the mountains to our beautiful girl scout camp and had a
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great weekend with my girl well thank God for Henry Ford and his invention of the assembly line mm-hmm
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singularly invented it by himself um I had to do that that was a little
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big awesome I'm glad you're back you're safe to everybody's everybody's happy and healthy and all that good stuff and
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that looks like a nice bottle of wine is that 19 crimes oh yeah this crime was
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oh God I just I read it and I was like that's funny I think it was like imported coffee or something weird I
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can't remember where it was well we're gonna be discussing someone who did worse than import
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coffee yeah I think that's the joke is that they're not that bad I think Australia is trying to redeem themselves
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and say we're not all murderers some of us just like accidentally did something small yeah
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can I tell you how weird it is that you just said that because I'm covering an Australian murderer
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that is so weird this episode is brought to you by 19 crimes Australia not just murderers oh my God that's so weird why
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did you just say that that's so cool oh my God I guys I we never talk about our
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episodes before beforehand but then Taylor just said that is like so weird to me I'm gonna film that goes up to the tippy top with this and then I'll be a
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little bit of one glass of wine well I'll kick things off so I am actually I'm just drinking electrolyte
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water I'm actually gonna go to yoga in the park here in Zilker in Austin which is every Sunday during the summer time
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and you basically do yoga with a bunch of strangers then you hop in the lake that's the idea that sounds gross and
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very human and also I never want to be in a lake again oh my God I was on a horse this weekend I was like never again will it be on a horse and I never
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want to be in a lake again you can't see the bottom there's dead bodies in there I'm happy for you and I'm excited for
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you Taylor it's so weird that you said that too because someone from my past
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this isn't funny so stop I'm holding my mind I'm trying
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not to spill it cause I'm laughing so hard to keep going I'm gonna put it down it's very full
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I know someone who was just found in a lake
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swimming happily and having a great time no from what I could read it looks like it was a domestic violence thing and she
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was thrown in there after me being to death oh no I'm so sorry that's terrible I know but then you just said that thing I
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was just like what is going on dude like what else do you see Taylor like what's
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I don't know but I'll keep my I'll put on a Google alert for a farmer silicon sandwich for the rest of the day but
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something happens to you uh the meetings I can report that
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uh so I'm just gonna drink electrolyte water first time being um but I do want
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to have a glass of wine when I get home from this yoga thing um so that's what I'm gonna do I'm gonna take things off with saying that as I mentioned a little
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bit earlier we've had listeners write in which we really really appreciate it's so fun it's so awesome getting people's feedback and input and thoughts on what
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we're doing and making suggestions and we got one similar one suggestion like that from somebody named Nadine from
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Alberta sorry Edmonton Alberta thank you first off Nadine for writing in and your suggestion about looking into more true
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crime stories that are based out of Canada our friendly neighbors to the north so I started researching
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Canadian crimes True Crimes that could be interesting and one thing that I try to do is I try to make myself more
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obscure because I feel like all the big people are already covered to death there's no need to rehashing here there's nothing new or interesting and
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the more I looked into Canada that you guys just generally are way less violent than we are like they're just not that
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much there there's a handful Robert Hansen comes to mind which is a pretty
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bad one that a lot of people probably don't know but the biggest ones are going to be like the one you the two that you actually mentioned when you
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wrote into STD which was Willie Pickton and Carla mocha and her husband fiance whatever Paul Bernardo those are really
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the big ones that come to mind when you think by Canada and so I decided to kind of Go a different direction I started
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looking at other commonwealth countries and see what might be going on there and Taylor already ruined it because now you
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already know where the other story is based in it is Australia oh my God I
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feel like recently like after the coordination of King Charles there were there's so many maps that are like
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[ __ ] you England for colonizing all the world and then now you're just looking back to England it's really funny so I'm
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like that could be anywhere but I like that it's Australia that's true it could be anywhere I went with Australia and I
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was kind of inspired by one of my favorite movies I actually owned this movie it's called Wolf Creek Taylor have you seen Wolf Creek
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I think so okay scary yes yeah yeah you might have seen with Jay
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also happy belated birthday Jay okay I don't think it's scary in terms of
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like goriness like torture poorness it's more just like scary from like the perspective of like the plot and like
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what ended up going on the reason that I found it super terrified terrifying is because it takes place in Australia
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Outback the Australian outback is huge and menacing and if you're like in trouble and Australian Outback you're on
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your own there's no nobody's saving you and the story the actual story isn't in the Australian
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Outback it's actually in New South Wales which is one of the most populous states in the country but it does take place like a remote area the movie itself the
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Wolf Creek murder the Wolf Creek movie it is basically like we're talking about today and that is in the Australian
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Outback so the movie is based on a very serial
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killer who was operating in New South Wales in Australia in the 1980s well we think we know for sure he was operating
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in the 1980s and 1990s I'm going to describe why we think he was also operating before then but we'll get that later his name is Ivan Milat
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and that's what we're discussing today first things first I love Aussies like I've been to Australia many many times I
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love it I love the people like if I yeah you really have been there many times I I I I applaud you for that scam you pull
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that Nation Builder to get free trips to Australia okay you know what I'm not gonna say it
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never mind I'm not intimidating myself into public format
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I'll cover Australia you guys no big deal yeah I I did get myself there and
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but it's so fun I love the people the culture is there it's really cool they're so chill and there's fun chill people and I think that's a byproduct of
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like why you don't hear a lot about vicious serial killers coming out of our stories because they're just such a happy-go-lucky kind of people
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but when they do produce a psychopath they produce a big one
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no I just wanted to say I listened to a lot of case File just in the case File no it's like an Australian guy who does
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it and but it's like a lot of Australian stories because like you're saying like the Outback is so huge and then like
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during like I don't know if this is in your story or not and I'm probably probably reading your mind but like there's so much like hitchhiking you
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know and like damn it features there's so many Australian hitchhiking
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murders give me one do you remember in school learning that Australian kids had to take do school
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over the radio no I never heard that it's like that was like in our like social studies book there would always
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be a picture of like some blonde Australian kid with like a short wave wave radio next to like a
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kangaroo you'd be like it'd be like Benny lives in the outback it's vastly different education systems I would
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imagine I wonder how many more things you're gonna guess like just generally to earliest episodes
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Taylor like if you if you're like plugged into something right now like you leverage it okay good it's just half
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a bottle of wine keep going okay so I brought up our old friends last podcast on the left because they
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had this method of talking about serial killers in like a tiered fashion so for example they have your 18 and that's
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going to be your domers your gay C's your Bundys then you have the B team which is going to be like Eileen warnos
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and Gary Ridgway they didn't have the C and the D team and usually the way the last podcast team talks about it is that
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those people are probably more fascinating but they are also like super duper brutal in a
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way that makes them not really that appealing from a mainstream perspective and I think about like specifically how
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they talk about Dean Coral or Bob rodello like those two guys were like vicious in a way that like is
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fascinating to think about from a psychological perspective but also it's like there's nothing cute about it right
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you can like laugh but you only laugh because you're trying not to like throw up exactly exactly and and that's kind
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of where this guy either Milat comes in for me is like most people have never heard of this guy the only reason you
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would have heard of this guy is if you watch Wolf freaking like what's the space on them you went down a rabbit hole about about him a lot because he's
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just too brutal he's too insane to beach farming or appealing I mean you
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look at what one of these the top guy is like a gay cannibal the other one is a young
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Republican lawyer the other guy's a part-time clown and a budding politician like there's something endearing about
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them in their own way that this guy doesn't have totally I don't think I've seen Wolf Creek I feel like maybe Blair
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watched it and told me it was awful and she couldn't watch it yeah if I if I had a guess when you brought up the whole Jay thing I'm like I know the kind of
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movies Jay likes and this is not really the kind of movie like we've definitely watched like some ones in Australia but
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I think I'm thinking of a different one that involves the lake but I think that one was like Norwegian or like that what is that
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Scandinavian anyway continue yeah yeah I don't think I've seen it I don't think I've seen it specifically because I think Blair told me not sugar said it
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was too much it's a lot it's a lot yeah and I'm gonna actually talk about like what parts of Wolf Creek were actually
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anchored down to the t uh as I get into the story so like I said this guy huge
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piece of [ __ ] total garbage did absolutely horrific things and I'm gonna start with like one of the first red
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flags out there and this is for the ladies were listening if you have a husband who is a complete loser who does
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nothing but just drink on the front porch all day and all he wants to do is pump people with kids that's probably a
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red flag to get the [ __ ] out of there so Ivan had 13 siblings so 14 children in
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total born into an impoverished family in New South Wales wait siblings are children
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14 children 13 siblings yeah yeah I just met someone having her
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fourth baby and I like could not hold my face in I was like a lot of babies Taylor you have two kids
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like I how on Earth can two adults contain 14
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children like is it really cute no well as soon as you have three kids you have to change your life because you have to
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like get a bigger car and like everything has to change because there's five of you now but I was I watched the Duggar documentary the um Shiny Happy
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People about the Japanese did you watch that the Duggars are just like a really religious family that were on TV they
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were like the 19 and Counting family I remember them yeah yeah and then one thing they did which was awful because
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like the girls were never like compensated for the work they did on on the reality show and all this but like when you were 10
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as a girl you would have like two siblings to take care of like you weren't going to school you were like homeschooled quotes quotes and
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they'd be like oh you have like two little siblings to take care of like you can't take care of 14 kids
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Taylor if one came to you and said Taylor we need 10 more children
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I could be convinced to have one more child and I would probably be and be upset about it because it would be too
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many I think three is too many for me personally but no I wouldn't I couldn't do that he got a vasectomy we're all set
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well those are reversible I'm just saying like if a guy comes to you and says I refuse to work I refuse to
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provide and I also no it doesn't make any sense it's like red flag so obviously like I
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said two parents cannot contain a brood of 14 children so they were obviously juvenile delinquents I would say that I
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mean they're all like they were all scumbags like almost Universal they were kind of all scumbags
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I even actually stood out though because his was a little bit more mean-spirited juvenile delinquency than a sibling so
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the siblings were doing things like shoplifting candy you know and doing stuff like that whereas Ivan when he was
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when he reached his uh 20s he kidnapped two female hitchhikers raped one of them
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at knife point before they escaped and reported him like that's the kind of like he would he would kill animals with
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machetes he would go into the Outback and just use kangaroos for target practice which I get it they're an
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invasive species whatever but like he he wasn't doing cute Dennis the Menace type activities with his juvenile delinquency
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he was like a little bit next level at Girl Scout camp we did archery I know we had talking archery and we're talking
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about a gun but I'm really good at it and so it's slow so I think I think we might consider getting a Target in our
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backyard not a kangaroo maybe it could look like a kangaroo yeah just don't start hunting actual animals
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no not not in the plan but I do think it might be cool to have a fake kangaroo with like a Target on it that sounds
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terrible but I think it would be fun if it was like made of hay
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why don't we sell that as merch why don't we sell target practice pictures of our faces but it's actually a really good idea
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so Ivan was arrested and while he was waiting for his court trial for this
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this rape charge he ended up fleeing Australia he went to New Zealand and
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then he came back and was promptly arrested and was found not guilty because this is the 1970s and I just
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don't think Human Society took rape allegations very seriously like early on yeah and so he just got off I mean early
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on like that's happening forever yeah it's terrible exactly exactly Ivan would move to uh to driving for
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public transportation for a living that's basically his job which was is like literally the it was like Andre chicatos I mean the ideal job like when
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you get to like go across you have no real permanent address you move from place to place and that's what he did for a living and in the middle of all
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this you also do other stupid [ __ ] like fertilized stores steal cars things like that I'm going to start this story with
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kind of where the dominoes started falling it was clear to police that something was going on in the late 1980s to early
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1990s in New South Wales because they were consistent stories coming out regarding Backpackers visiting Australia
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and then going missing you'll show up be in Australia be in New South Wales the last time I ever seen it
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was a railway station or a hitchhiking down the side of the road almost all of them were expats you know not well not
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expats like visitors like Germans Americans Brits things like that I'd love to hear uh if any of the
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listeners out there have any great stories about hitchhiking did you meet your husband did you meet someone who left you in
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their will did you learn how I don't know did anything good happen yeah
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exceptionally good maybe you got from place to place without being murdered like that's fine but I did anything like
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awesome happened or they're like awesome stories of hitchhiking like is that how the Beatles were formed like anything
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cool because it's all it seems bad I mean you gotta pick where you hitchhike so
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like I would hitchhike in Bel Air because then I would get picked up by like you would not get [ __ ] up in Bel Air Mall Clooney will pick me up and say
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you got to be my husband George and it's like cool and then I go over there and then like you you're like my double you
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should be cast in the movie yes
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um so okay so going back to the story so the concept of a serial killer really
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wasn't that big of this time and especially was in big Australia so for context the first time the term quote
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serial homicide which is the first utterance of anything similar to serial killer came out was an electrician by
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FBI special agent Robert wrestler in 1974. 1991 is when dama was captured
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which like yeah like this wasn't like a we're not dealing with like sure the cops were probably lazy or not doing
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great but like also can you really blame him like it's like the 1980s and people were going missing it's like I don't know like we'll just look for the one
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person that goes busy if we don't find we don't mind there's no connection being made here yeah I can't believe how
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long that like police reports weren't connected you know like you could like and something
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could happen in Dallas and you wouldn't know in Austin you know like that's crazy that like you can't like look
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someone up in a database and be like Oh yeah this guy's done a lot of crimes all over the country you know yeah I don't
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know any Australian States so I just I just named American states no you're right so New South Wales New South Wales
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is a state Victoria's estate uh I looked up how many serial killers
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have been documented in both countries how many Taylor U.S is 2023 in total how
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many student killers were operating in the United States in total wait right now at the moment or in
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general since we started documenting serial killers 50.
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3204 guess how many in Australia
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3201. anyone yeah well how about what's a proportionate
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proportionate to the number of people you know what that was a tab I chose not
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to click on
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continue okay I'll do the math on top of my head one in ten one in ten people in the US are serial killer
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yeah so the police know something is up but at this point they don't really
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entirely what's what's going on because they get all these reports he's missing hitchhikers they don't know what to do in 1992 two hikers in the long glow
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State Forest I nailed that belong glow State Force discover a body they
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reported this to the police who find another body about 100 feet away from the first one the police realized that
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these are the bodies of Joanne Walters and Caroline cart who disappeared five months earlier while hitchhiking in the
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area Joanna been stabbed and this is going to come up a lot and this is where
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I think the I mean this was this is so Wolf Creek okay what's the worst what's the worst
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place to get sad you think Taylor wait do you die immediately or no no you
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live in your face no hmm what this guy would do and what they
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would do in the Wolf Creek movie is he would stab between the vertebrae to
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disconnect the spine to paralyze the person yeah yeah it's gonna come up a lot and
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it came up in in the Wolf Creek movie and it's a terrifying concept so that's what happened to Joanne she was stabbed
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to death but one of those stats actually paralyzed her before she ended up dying chair lamp and shot 10 times in the head
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and police basically presumed that whoever did this was trying to pull a tailor and was
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using her head as starting practice wait what does that mean because you were trying to do target practice in the
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backyard and like this guy just used a head a real person's head though I know
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it's different it's different it was very different I also have a bow and arrow that's true 13 months after this
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so this late October 1983 the bodies of Deborah Everest and James Gibson were discovered in the same Force as before
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they disappeared on December 30th of 1989 while also in hitchhiking James
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have been stabbed repeatedly and also had a knife plunged into a spine Deborah's skull was fractured from a
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beating she took and she was also stabbed in the back as well separating her spine uh by this point police were like we
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should probably start doing something and they put together a task force very creatively called the task force error
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and started working on a profile for the killer during this time a British man named Paul onions called this task for
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task force and said three years earlier he was hitchhiking in the area and a man who called himself Bill pulled over to
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offer him a ride Paul accepted and surely thereafter Bill pulls out a knife and some rope saying he intends on
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robbing Paul you have thoughts this was a huge thing on my favorite murderer like 10 years ago because they
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were like we [ __ ] love Paul onions no way okay so you know this story well I know that I know Paul onions because
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they were like paulians is a [ __ ] gem he comes up again like he's he's actually really
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like he is the reason why this guy is not doing this anymore well then time killing him but Paul makes a break for
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it when when this guy Bill pulls his gun out and uh he basically started shooting at Paul running away from him like from
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his car which is actually also a direct scene in Wolf Creek which like one of
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the people runs away and does that happens Paul finds down another motorist to help him escape and together they
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describe Bill and it's called the police which helps you know their list of potentials down from 230 to this one
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bill of person so the profile is built a profile of 230 people in New South Wales who this could be and out of that
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they're like there's one guy who fits this description so that's how they honed in on Ivan as
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this build character it was around this time that all police also found another bundle of skeletal
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remains and belongolo Forest they found the body of Simone schmiddle and all who
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had also been backpacking and hitchhiking across Australia and her spine was also severed
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nearby Simone's body was her partner Gaber oh man Gabriel
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no these are like super there's two German people there was two other German
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people that were found I'll say Gaber and Anya because there's a zero chance I'm getting through this last name either one of theirs Anya had been
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decapitated and Gabriel had been shot six times in the face so there's a pattern emerging police are seeing a pattern right
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so police have narrowed things down to at least think about Ivan as a potential culprit based on the whole bill
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situation that David found or Paul found himself in they decided to watch and surveil Ivan's movements and see if he
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tips his hands to anything police called into Ivan's work and found out that he was either offered called in sick on the
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days that these people have all the reported missing they also noted that he had sold a vehicle right after two of the bodies
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have been found presumably because the vehicles hadn't couldn't any evidence in them this is where Paul comes in as a
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hero again he flew in both British he was just in Australia for like a vacation he flew back in to Australia
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from Britain to help positively identify Ivan as bill because they're doing this surveillance thing so the police take
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him up to the house he looks out and he's like yep that's Bill and they arrested him for the attempt of robbery
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of Paul after they did this they searched Simon's house they found weapons that were consistent with
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matching with the kind of weapons that were used to shoot the people that he shot as well as a giant Bowie knife that
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could be used to split someone's spine if one chose to do that and they also okay everyone in Australia so that's
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cross that off the incrimination list they also had items that the victims owned scattered around his house so you
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don't need the Bowie knife everyone you don't need the Bowie knife yeah that's true so
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I then went to trial and pled not guilty his family tried pretty hard to get him off
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which I mean that's kind of the type of people they are but really interesting about this is that
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Ivan claimed that it was like his brothers that did this I think he was such a even when his family's like
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giving testimony they're like I didn't couldn't have done this he's up there on the stand saying it was my brother and pointing to other people in his family
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saying they did this well they're like he didn't do it instead of being like I didn't do it yeah yeah I kind of I kind
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of loved the uh the hoods but there in uh 1996 he was found guilty and given life in prison he would obviously
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constantly appeal his conviction and he would just start doing some really crazy stuff so at one point he cut off one of
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his fingers and nailed it to the Appellate Court to say like look how badly I need to get
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he was a wild crazy dude he swallowed a bunch of razor blades he went on a
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nine-day hunger strike one time because he won a PlayStation and the penitentiary wouldn't give him one which like not when I kind of get that when I
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that one's time understandable you do what you got to do I guess razor Blazer two hunger is right I can do not raise
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her what year is that with the 96 okay that makes sense in 2019 thank God he died a very very
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horrible death of stomach and esophagus cancer at the ripe old age of 74 years old wow
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she apparently only ever confessed to The Killing these people to his mother
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because him and his mom were apparently really close and apparently the word is that he told her that he did this but
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otherwise he maintain his innocence the very end he actually watch a YouTube clip of him being interviewed at the very end so this is when he has like
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late stage cancer and they're like Ivan just tell us what's going on just tell
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us what happened and he said something like you could take a blow torch to my eyes and my tongue and I I could not
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tell you what you want me to tell you or something like you like really held on to his innocence feel a little bit torn I usually am like
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you should just say that you did it if you're gonna die because whatever but I also kind of feel like good for him
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I don't know why I feel that way you have a problem yeah like all right yeah you wouldn't
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believe that during he did it he did it right though it was no he didn't no he for sure did
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like they literally found their stuff in his house like it was very unclear also
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she was he should have been convicted with raping two women by knife points when he
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was like 27. like he wasn't like a like he wasn't good no no no
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yeah so during items incarceration and even following his death police started investigating other crimes that could be
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attributed to him the task works the task force that was assigned to catching him aggregated a total of 58 other cases
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of missing Backpackers during the years I would have been active behavioral
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profilers noted that the first known killing that I've been committed was when he was 45 years old
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yeah they're like they're like yeah if anything he started in his 30s maybe
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even his 20s like yeah so as of right now police feel really
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really confident asked to three other murders that they can attribute to Ivan so in 1971 that's how early we're going
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back the murder of a pregnant Karen Roland who disappeared while traveling to
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Canberra her body was discovered a month later eyewitnesses at the time reported seeing a gold colored Ford chasing after
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Karen's vehicle at this time I even lived in the area and also owned a gold for the Fairmont that's not suspicious
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in 1987 Peter Letcher was hitchhiking to his parents house and never arrived his
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body was found in a cave system a few months later Ivan's wife I forgot to mention I was married for a period of
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this time Ivan's wife reported that he would frequently go to go on Ice um at or in the cave system and that the
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day around the time that this guy went missing Peter went missing and his wife had left him shortly before that had
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happened they also found that Peter had multiple gunshot wounds to his face and stab wounds to his body was there
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anything sexual to it or because it's like men and women or I just skipped over the fact that he
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literally raped every woman does he recommend no no so he just
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wanted to kill them at that point but he wrote for the woman yeah most of the people that he ended up catching it
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makes sense most of people ended up like catching and killing were couples
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you know if you watched like Wolf Creek where they insinuate in that is that he
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would paralyze the man using the Bowie knife to then rape the woman in front of him
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then kill the man in front of the woman and then kill them like there was a chronology he wanted to get like the
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[ __ ] out of the experience as much as possible that's [ __ ] horror yep well congratulations yeah he did it like he
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definitely he definitely lived his dream in uh 1991 Diane Pinocchio I swear
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that's actually what it looks like it's it is she went missing while trying to hitchhike in some Australian town that I
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can't pronounce it's like Queens Queens Bayonne or something but I'm not gonna whatever just as soon as someone stay in
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town she had her Spine Center so police immediately made the link there especially because where she disappeared
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was an area that they knew Ivan was living in active in because they'd have found other bodies in that area like that's when it's high school together
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yeah sure okay so I'm gonna tell you okay what can I guess yes 72.
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or nurse am I right you might be you actually might be so okay so the three that I just counted
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off to you those are the ones that police are talking about those are the ones where they're like we're we're
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damn sure that you have to go no no oh
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so you're working on drinking educating yourself you're getting all of it I mean I can see your knee you're like very
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casual right now casual okay go ahead continue so these three the ones that police are talking about then there are
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six others that police are basically acting as though Ivan's like the main person of interest but they won't come
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out and say Ivan we think he did these as well so now we're up to 16 people in
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total then there's 23 arms murderers where Ivan is a person of interest
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so that so that so there's also another cohort here of ones that haven't even
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we haven't gotten to yet so it could be 70 plus but this is where we're at right
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now wow but uh luckily he's dead luckily he's dead he died in 2019 so fairly recently he
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lived a pretty good life given that he lived to be 74 years old although it sounds like his time in prison was an absolute torture and he got his he got
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the [ __ ] kicked at him on his first day which was nice yay how long was he in prison he went into 96 till 2019. so what is
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that math 20 23 years which interestingly is longer than most
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of his victims lives because most of his victims were 18 to 22 years old stupid don't go ahead
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so that is our story which Taylor mostly predicted if y'all haven't seen Wolf Creek this is not
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right I'm like I'm actually so somebody want to see it I actually own Wolf Creek I'm probably gonna watch it tonight
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but I will say this like guys if you're like into horror and you're trying to introduce your girlfriend or like the
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girl you're seeing into like war and it's like it'll be cute man it is just violent it is not fun
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violence it is not saw violence it is like I don't know what you'd compare it to like it's like watching Schindler's List
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on a date like it's just not gonna work in my opinion I agree I would not want to watch it
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you feel like oh my God nobody's nobody's into like hanging out
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after that experience so that's my tail the tale of Ivan a lot and the tale of
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Australia's um vicious vicious serial killer wow there's lots more there
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I looked up how long does it take to drive across Australia I think if you like didn't stop it would take
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four days but that's big the entire middle of it twenty percent and it's
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like nothing in the middle of it yeah I think twenty percent of Australia Australia's land mass is Desert yeah but
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just Ezra is it like nothing exists like it is it is a scary place and that's why Wolf Creek works so well is because it's
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all set out in the middle of middle of the desert so anyways that's the tale uh I guess
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we're gonna fake cut it off here and do the magic of editing I have I have listened in our mail for both episodes
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so for this one I do I wanted to also Nadine wrote back our Canadian friend um
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she wrote back and we're talking about child abductions and she read the book relax a user's guide to Life In The Age
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of Anxiety and I kind of think that I might have read that too but Professor I read something similar but Professor
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Tiffany Caulfield she said kind of examines about kids walking to school and why you don't have let your kids
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walk to school anymore because they're talking about kidnappings like at malls and stuff and basically it like barely
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ever happens it's like extremely extremely rare to have a kid just like pick it up off the street
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like if someone you'd have to leave a kid I'm alone on the street for a thousand years for him to be like for a
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thousand hundred percent odds of him thinking by a stranger so it gets very rare and my friend Ben who lives in Florida he also uh talked about it too
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who said in reality like 99.999 kidnappings are either parental or a 15
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year old taking off to Florida with her 18 year old boyfriend so like that's definitely true that happens a lot there
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um and also most trafficking um is like taking advantage of people and nothing like taken the movie so that's good news
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that's good news probably not gonna get kidnapped but if you do your very special I think I think the ramifications of it it's like a planes
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also not gonna crashes the first thought your first thought isn't going to go
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down totally well I can't find me every two seconds I'm like they're gone I'm gonna be on the news Bill Burr had a
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really funny skit or uh comedy special about like kidnappings and kids where he's like there's a reason why American
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kids are getting more and more obese and so that they're less um kidnappable they're too heavy to move
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what do you mean spirited but also he doesn't he does it better than I do sorry we do we have two oh my God
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everyone I'm so sorry no that was it that was Ben and Nadine we're cutting off now follow us at doom defelpot on
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