In Episode 3 Taylor tells the story of Pocahontas, may we all wonder collectively, was she happy? Farz takes us to the creepiest town in Florida (and that says a lot!) to tell us about Anthony Todt and the awful things he did near the happiest place on earth. Follow us on Instagram and Facebook @doomedtofailpod
In Episode 3 Taylor tells the story of Pocahontas, may we all wonder collectively, was she happy? Farz takes us to the creepiest town in Florida (and that says a lot!) to tell us about Anthony Todt and the awful things he did near the happiest place on earth.
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Hi Friends! Our transcripts aren't perfect, but I wanted to make sure you had something - if you'd like an edited transcript, I'd be happy to prioritize one for you - please email doomedtofailpod@gmail.com - Thanks! - Taylor
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welcome to Doom to fail the podcast where we have to come up with signature
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drinks to temper down how sad we are about the stories that we're about to tell you I'm Forrest joined here by
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Taylor and every week we'll be bringing you two Tales one historic and one true Prime related to relationships that
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we're doomed to fail what's our signature drink this week Taylor so thank you farz so today we are
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our alcoholic drink is a mai tai um what is it in My Thai Forest it's like it sounds tropical papaya it is
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tropical so my Thai typically contains age agricole whatever that is cool rum
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real shroom lime yeah you know I'm reading off of a very very old and
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outdated Mai Tai recipe so kind of thing a happy drink it's a happy
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drink for a very unhappy story okay okay um and then for our non-alcoholic drink
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we'll be drinking just the Colors of the Wind so just stand outside and let the wind hit you
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um um first you wanna tell us who you're talking about and then I'll go into mine
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I am going to be discussing the Anthony tote family murders very excited I'm
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drinking my white cloth I'm very excited because I don't know what that is I haven't heard that before
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um before we get there I'm gonna talk about the tragic story of Pocahontas and
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her husband John Rolfe um that which is a relationship that ultimately led to her death at a very
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very young age so Taylor you don't know this yet but
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our stories have a very unusual overlap oh my God oh my God I wish I'll disclose to you
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after I get to my story um but yes very interesting that you picked Pocahontas cool okay that's
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awesome I'm happy to hear that um because I don't know that's cool it's
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like we planned it um so I got some of this information from the internet nps.gov Smithsonian
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Magazine History Channel um and listen to the podcast a short history of Pocahontas as well so um
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or I also listened to our first episode and I want to try to say um less so I'm going to work on that that's my growth
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Edge in this episode I wanted to do as far as something Texan because we're in Texas together and
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usually I'm in California and you're in Texas but we're in the same house even though we're in different rooms and I'm super excited that we're together so
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last minute I decided to look up Stephen F Austin and see if he had any like relationship stuff but he was just a
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piece of [ __ ] who wasn't married um and I just someday maybe I'll talk about the history of Texas but the
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history of Texas is the history of white people who wanted to leave America so they could have slaves and Mexico being
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like absolutely not you cannot have slaves here and white people fighting to have slaves so every town named after a
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white man in Texas is named after a piece of [ __ ] um probably yeah the things that Stephen
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F Austin said about slaves and slavery and enslaved people are disgusting
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um he was a bad guy and he died young without any love so at least and I was and that was our two
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minute technology lesson because we discussed Pocahontas today
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um so then I was thinking about colonizers um so I want to talk about the most famous women indigenous to North America
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and that's Pocahontas we'll talk about her and her second husband John Rolfe who was totally complicit in her death
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because he took a person to Europe who had never been there and so we know that that's obviously going to kill someone of some disease
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so Pocahontas this is a Banana's time to be alive she's born into a world that's
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dramatically different from the one that she dies in as far as I want to you to stop being to stop at points to think
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about what was she thinking like was she happy like as things are changing and things
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are going crazy in her world you know what was was she excited what would it have been like for you know a person
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sort of watching like this alien civilization come in and try to take over so this is like a time this time
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and every time before like now you didn't know about
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what was going on in the rest of the world so people a people you've never seen before could walk into your
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neighborhood and be like hello we're here to like where are the Mongols we're here to colonize you we're the Romans
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we're the blah blah blah and you've never seen them before and you don't have any idea of how big the world is so
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I think that's crazy I think the expectation when if you were alive at that point is that you could
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you and anybody you know can die at any point in time by anybody
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and you had no idea like to your point how big the world is and who could show about your doorstep and say now we own
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you terrifying they're terrifying just absolutely crazy so just imagine if like
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aliens came down today and they started to try to learn our language and that was all happening that's pretty much the
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same thing that was happening to Pocahontas so she was born around 1596 and her name
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a couple different names that she may have had and oh my God I apologize to the indigenous people of the United
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States of America and and everywhere in the world for the way I'm going to pronounce some of these things in this episode but she was born mayotoka or
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ammonite so suppose maybe those names the Pocahontas is sort of her nickname and it means like playful
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little fun thing so that's her her like cute nickname she got when she was a kid her dad was chief powaton of the
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Powhatan nation which is part of the Algonquin nation and all over like they
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were in Virginia and that part of America and she was born to one of his
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many wives so he had several wives and there's not really a lot of information about her mother so she may have died in
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childbirth but she was like one of 26 siblings to her dad Chief power temp
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so 26 siblings yeah but it's different ladies so hopefully they didn't nobody
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had like 20 of them or something but yeah but it's kind of like a communal living
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kind of thing so she just kind of goes back to the village where her mom was her mom lived and then the dad goes
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around to other Villages and has his other families there so like good for him he gets to move around and
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the legend is that she was her father's favorite but like I feel like we made that up because of what we how we want
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to put her into our history but he said that she was her dad's favorite and it was nice look it was kind of a
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war-torn place like they were always trying to conquer other Villages and like expand their areas but it was fine
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and um everyone worked all the time but there was a lot of music and the women learned how to build houses and do the
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Gathering so women actually had a really like like not a terrible place in the society they had jobs and they were able
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to choose who they married and they could get divorced so divorce was like very popular not popular but like common
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because they would wouldn't want like no one wants that couple who's fighting all the time living in town you know it
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was just like I feel like that was the point to dig at me it was not I'm just
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saying that like if you're not having a good time get divorced it's fine so amen don't kill your spouse this is a big
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rule that we're you know a big thing that will come back to you over and over again but so that's all that's all you know
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allowed so it's a pretty you know it's a decent life um you know people didn't really wear a lot of clothes it was still pretty like
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primitive but they were expanding and all that so all of a sudden these ships start coming in to do reconnaissance so
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this is the like imagine the ship coming down from space moment and people come out and kind of look around and then go
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back so they know that there's something else out there and there's something else coming um but they don't know much about them
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yet and this is happening when she's a little girl so all of a sudden a ship comes and they
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stay and the one that stays creates a colony and it's Jamestown so what do you
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as far as as a person who grew up in America know about Jamestown
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on the spot I I yeah so I'm trying to go back that's the town that Lucy's
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character and I Love Lucy is from she's from Jamestown in the show is it really oh my God yeah it really is she was Lucy
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McGillicuddy then but I also I also that was one of the first colonies that
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was settled in the U.S it's not Roanoke it's not the one it was not the crazy one where people just disappeared
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overnight but it was like it was I feel like it's the same time same timeline yeah exactly that's mostly what I know
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about it perfect yes so yeah Roanoke was the one where they like disappeared but probably
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just went out to get food and became part of the tribes but yeah jamestown's
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the same time the same type of people they came from England they started came in 1607 so I remember Pocahontas was
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born in 1596 so she's like almost 10 or and um or ten and
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they found this land in this area and they were like oh it's a peninsula it can be
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protected this is a great place to like build a fort and put up walls and do all these things and the reason that the
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powhatans didn't live there is because it was a bad place to live um it could be defended but the land was
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terrible there were tons of bugs you couldn't drink the water and it was just a terrible place to to build a town
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um can I interrupt you real quick of course are you saying like how do you spell powaton oh great question because
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I had to look up how to pronounce it I'm saying
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p-o-w-h-a-t-a-n and the way I wrote it after looking it up is
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do you know what that word means in the native language no do you no I'm I'm derailing for no reason the
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reason no I'm super there's a tribe in Brazil that's called Powhatan that is a
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um it's it's like it's a warrior tribe basically and and I've recently learned
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about this and that's why I brought it up because he's their potential like maybe like some people left the Americas
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and went down south or I don't know I just thought maybe they're tangentially related but probably not no they totally
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could be because it was so the power towns are part of the Virginia Algonquin now I went to Wikipedia to look at this
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um but they also there was also like the name of Pocahontas's dad and the name of the language so it's like a word that's
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used for a lot of different things so I think it's possible some survivors relocated elsewhere but I
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think it's mostly North America I'll stop derailing okay I mean
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we could look it up later
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nobody knows that we had this conversation I love that no this is perfect keep it in um so I lost where I was okay so the
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colonizers are in Jamestown and it sucks there's no way to get food there's no way to get water people are dying
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there's like the rumor is obviously that they resorted to eating each other because they were starving like two-thirds of them died before they got
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any help so it's a terrible time to be um a colonizer they're only on this little Peninsula and things are really
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bad so they thought that they would be able to offer Goods to the Powhatan for food so
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be like oh I have this jacket or whatever and like try to trade it for food but there actually isn't any
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extra food because it was a bad time um for them also so it was just like a shitty crappier or whatever and they
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didn't really have extra food so they weren't like full on like hunter-gatherers they did
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do some growing crops and that sort of thing but they rotated their crops which
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is something that like I like to yell about um in other places as well because a lot
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of white people came to America and they were like looked at the indigenous people and they were like you guys are
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so dumb you could be growing so much more if you just planted all the land ignoring the fact that for thousands of
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years these people have been rotating their crops to make sure the land is good so of course that leads to things
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like the Dust Bowl and things in like America that what could that and all the land that goes to [ __ ] because white
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people weren't paying attention to the way people have been doing it for thousands of years so crop rotation is essentially let the land rest let half
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the land rest you know plant in the other half and then when that's done let that rest in
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plant the other half exactly exactly and so like in Oklahoma when the dust bowl happened what happened had when it
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happened was all of the Native grasses that would grow on the land during the rotation time stop growing and that held
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the land together and then it was just like Dustin's Aunt so they just that's why like it was uninhabitable after a
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couple years Taylor again sidetracking here at my old house in La you know how
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we had that backyard and there was just like grass that just it was overrun in the backyard and it slipped all the way
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down I hired someone to mow that grass and I was out of town and my ex sent me
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a picture of what they had done when she saw it hours later they'd ripped out all
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the grass like there was nothing there but just dirt and I immediately thought of the Dust Bowl and was like holy [ __ ]
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the entire side of this hill is gonna go crashing down luckily I didn't but that was my first explanation when I saw that
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no totally time will tell of the next Earth quick how that house how that house goes um yeah exactly you can't rip everything
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out by the roots and expect it to to be the same stable place totally
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um so anyway so there's no just there's not enough food for it for them so they're not sharing it with the people in Jamestown and
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um also the people in Jamestown owe money back to England because they like borrowed money to come to uh to come out
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to the new world so they're supposed to be bringing things back to England and they're not because they don't have anything so they're stuck on the road I
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wrote now they're stuck in their Fort because they're [ __ ] and they keep leaving and trying to steal things because they can't get anything by trade
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or by like normal means um and so they're trying to make a pact and they can't figure it out and things
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are super tense because obviously like even though the colonizers have less
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people and they're all super sick they also have like guns and so a little bit more intense military power than the
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powhatans have so that's that balance is still not not Fair
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um so one thing they did that I think was actually really cool is they sent kids
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to each other's like villages to learn the language which totally makes sense because like if you sent me to a
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pouching village I'd be like I don't know what to do but he said like a three-year-old who's already learning
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language to that place they'd be able to learn it a lot easier right makes sense yeah so the English
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sent a boy one of the boys his name is Thomas Savage um and he moved in and learned the language and they they said and one
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thing I read it said that Pocahontas was sent um to Jamestown to learn English but and everything else all of a sudden boy I
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don't know if they really would have sent her but whatever either way she speaks she learns how to
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speak English so it starts with the kids the kids learn how to speak English just like now if someone moves to America
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usually the kids learn how to speak English like before the parents do right so who is the person that you
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would think that Pocahontas was married to the the um the blonde long-haired dude in that
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movie yes remember his name it had to be John Smith right it's John Smith yes yeah yes
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um so John Smith is one of the number of colonizers and he goes out to in this little group to
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um find supplies they said he literally drew the Short Straw and goes out there and everyone in his group gets kills and
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then they're like about to kill him and Pocahontas like jumps in front of him and says no don't kill him let's be
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peaceful and nice um which is probably not true and she was 10 and when this happened
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and John Smith then later writes a book and says she
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jumped in front of them and she wouldn't let them kill me and then we totally fell in love and you're like uh you know
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she's 10. and then later he's like oh no no she was 13. still gross and it's that much better no
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but neither of those things happened like they did not fall in love at any point and like who knows if she actually really saved him but he does survive and
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um now like he's like talked about her and he romanticizes his relationship with her his whole life like not like
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sexually romanticizes them the whole time but is very much like this is like showing people that like the Savages are
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have humanity and blah blah blah he like talks about her a lot and really like exploits their relationship
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to what to what benefit to like say to like sell books honestly for him to go back and like sell books
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about his time in in the colonies okay Common Thread between our story is
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number two I'll point that out to you later oh my God I'm excited um
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John Smith and then she starts to you know she's actually is growing up she does become like a teenager
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um and in this time you can actually picture her a lot like the movie like the clothes that a young woman would
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wear like I mean like the cartoon the young woman would wear is like that one shoulder dress I don't know if you remember and she started to get tattoos
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and like that kind of thing she's starting to kind of grow up and then for a couple years
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um she's kind of off the map um but I feel like do you did you watch the cartoon I feel like I should have
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prepped you and had you watched this cartoon before we started I haven't seen it in so many years that
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I might as well not seen it by this point okay so there's a whole part of her song in the um in the cartoon where
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she's talking about her dad wants her to marry this guy and she doesn't know if she wants to marry him blah blah blah
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and his name is cocoum and I think this is the biggest shocker to
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be in this whole freaking story is that she really was married to cocoum which is
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it like I don't even have words because I wrote down is like that plot point in the
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movie is very very stressful and it was for me I'm imagining for like 70 to 80 of kids who watch the movie because
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cocoum is like in the volcanus cartoon he is the first person that I ever saw
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with chest tattoos and I was like yes you should marry him what are you
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talking about you know he was like like imagine like if they did a live version of
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um this movie Cocoon would be Jason Momoa and there would be a global emergency because everyone who watched
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the movie would get pregnant because I'm watching the movie that is sarcastic that would be really sarcastic I like
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that so that's that's what coconut is I think in the Zeitgeist of like young people who watched Pocahontas at of a
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certain age um but she did marry him and all evidence is that they were in love like they chose she got to marry he was like
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in he was like in the military but not necessarily like the um you know the
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best warrior or anything it just seems that she likes him um and they get married they may have had a daughter um but
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we don't really know and then he kind of disappears out of her story so they could have gotten divorced which is
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totally fine or he may have died either way they don't get they're not married forever but they are married when she's
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like a young woman and he's like a young man the way you describe him he does seem
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like a risk taker like he would have a Harley and also not wear a helmet you know yeah it was it was probably a boar
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I don't know why I just think he like got gored by a wild boar that feels plausible for that time no I definitely
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think that may be true like he died in like a big hunting trip or doing something like super hot and heroic
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yeah we're gonna lose Jason Momoa exactly exactly
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um so she's you know kind of living her life she's married she's hanging out there's still kind of this tense thing
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that obviously the Jamestown people are still there um and they really really want to make uh make more trade and you know kind of
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do more stuff with the powhatans so um one of her jerk friends says oh there's
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a new boat at the shore we have to go see it and she's like I don't want to go and they're like you have to come with us and they go and then like her friend
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is like oh I really want to go on board come with me man and so she goes and they eat like dinner and then Pocahontas
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is like something's weird and of course somebody's weird her friend told her out and she gets kidnapped so she's kidnapped onto this boat they
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lock her in a room and are trying to like get Ransom from her dad and she's
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out there for a full year she's kidnapped by the um by the white people
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she's in Jamestown in like a town next to it and now there's like a full-on war her dad kind of concedes but like not
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really so there's like a whole bunch of stuff going on it's not great um so this is like worst case for
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Jamestown because they're not going to have any help from the natives they're not getting um any resources and um they're trying
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to like really instigating things by having Pocahontas so she's there for a year and guess what
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they try to do to her while she's there I mean I can imagine it's not like a
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physical thing a mental thing they make her a goddess no they convert her to Christianity of course so stupid
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I mean come on obviously of course that's the first thing you do of course so like
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of course what they want to do is save the heathens and they want to [ __ ] save Pocahontas from you know her
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beautiful life and they they convert her to Christianity and guess and they not
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guess what they name her you're never gonna guess but they name her Rebecca I know and I know Rebecca who I like a
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lot um I know there are Rebecca's it's a beautiful name but like come on hurrying Pocahontas she's like this like amazing
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like trailblazing woman in your name for Rebecca and meet her and baptized her
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basic basic [ __ ] so basic so now her name's Rebecca and
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um this is where she meets her second husband John Rolfe and this is where there are red flags that I will point
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out for you for this marriage so she's 17 which is like old hat by now but she's already like had a baby and been
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married probably had a baby he's 27. I feel like that's maybe okay in this time
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occasions are not okay she had to convert first to Christianity um and then he like wrote like a letter
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to the governor of um the area that was like I need permission to marry this Heathen I'm so torn because she's like
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super hot but also she's a heathen essentially if you did
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I mean yeah I I agreement which they happened and maybe that was like you had to do that
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yeah that's fair that you didn't have a choice I mean I'd probably not call my wife
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a heathen although maybe he then has had a different connotation back then than it does now it doesn't no okay then
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that's a bad thing to call your wife but so he's like it's a second marriage as well he's a widower and he's just he's a
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tobacco farmer he has a plantation he may have stolen tobacco seeds from the Spanish and brought them to Virginia so
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to get like the good tobacco In America which obviously like starts a whole a whole thing
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um and they're married on April 5th 1614 and they have a son in January the next
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year um and then did you see this thing on the news this week about how Edward Norton is a direct descendant of hers
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wait I thought it was something out oh yeah you're right you answered right to send it up bro that's crazy yeah and that's from the Sun that she had so his
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name is Thomas Rolfe and so from Thomas we get Edward Norton which is fun
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um and so now Pocahontas is living on a goddamn tobacco Plantation with other indigenous people essentially like
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working the land for them um but by all accounts she's happy she's just like this like Christian woman on
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this Plantation like living in a house named Rebecca um and this is this time is called the piece of Pocahontas it's nine years a
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piece between the white people and the indigenous people so this is a power I'm like I don't know
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is she happy like could she be happy is she like oh yeah what is Pocahontas what does her
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status have to do with there being this piece because she's like the favorite
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daughter of the chief and she's been someone who's gone like back and forth and like met a lot of the people on the
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in like in Jamestown she can communicate really well and I think also that she was converted to Christianity as a big
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part of it too because then she's like you know showing that they can be saved and all these things and then they're
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like we don't want to ruffle any feathers whether that was I didn't mean that that was not a pun but they didn't
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want to like um you know do anything weird where she would get like killed so it was just like a tenth piece but a piece
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um and then at the end of this time the king of England wants to see her and wants to meet her and asks her and John
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to come to England so they go they take their son and they go to um to England
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to London they go to parties and balls in the concerts and they meet the king
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and all this stuff and so she's really just like there and this is where we get like the one engraving of her and in
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this engraving and I'll put it on her socials but she you know is wearing like Colonial Garb like the
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whole thing and you know you know looks like a you know like a colonial person it's wild and um the other crazy thing
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that happens while she's there she meets John Smith again and she thought he was
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dead just like assumed he was dead because it had been like I don't know 10 or 10 years since she'd met him and he's
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there and there's a whole bunch of different accounts on what happens but [ __ ] John Smith he writes that
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she was yelling at him as like a spurned lover would yell at someone you know like blah blah blah other people are
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like she was yelling at him because he's a piece of [ __ ] and she was saying you Englishmen lie to him like over and over
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again when she was yelling at him but he's like oh yeah she's just like jealous she still loves me blah blah because he's a jerk and
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um another thing that people say is that she also may have tried to call him father because he had that like she saw
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him as an older person and he was upset about that because he told everybody that they were dating
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I'm kind of with John on this one then she couldn't she shouldn't have called him father no then she probably
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was still into him because like she wasn't there him why would you care so
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much like if I went into someone that I dated like five years ago I'm not gonna be I don't care what you
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do or well why would I why would I have emotional attachment to that person unless I actually was still into them no
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they did not date she was 10 when they met and he was a grown man they did not date he started she could have been 13.
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fine he he told everybody that they dated and they did not and then he was
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using that to like excuse that she was yelling at him but I feel like she was if anything I would hope that she was
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young at him and being like look what you did you little jerk you know my people
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um but who knows we have no first-hand accounts from her and what her life was like but her life was so short so you
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know she moved to a suburb of London and it's gross London is gross like
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London is like a there's no again Sticky no running water like there's no air
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like there's one account where she's like in a carriage and she's like holding a handkerchief over her face
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because she can like barely breathe because she's used to being in these beautiful
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forests with fresh air and fresh water and all these things now she's in freaking London where it's disgusting
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and so she's just like not having a good time and she finally gets to go
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um gets to go home and they get on a boat she's 21 years old and they don't even leave like the area she dies before
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they even get to leave um she dies of the disease on the boat it could be anything like you know
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smallpox any like diphtheria any of those terrible diseases that you get when you're a person who hasn't exposed
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to them so she got a disease or anyone really because they're like everywhere she had a disease to take her body back to England and she's buried in England
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um they said her last words were almost die but tis enough that my child liveth so her son Thomas stayed in England came
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back to America in 1635 tried to find his Powhatan family and um he was like a
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little bit successful possibly but then he you know he moved back and John Rolfe got married again and and had another
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another you know chapter of his own life with his like third wife and all of that but Pocahontas sheep
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at 10 years old she you know allegedly saves John Smith's life and 11 years
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later she's dead on a boat in England um being like converted and having all this crazy stuff happened to her I'm a
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bit conflicted is this a sad life or not I don't know and that's like the
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question that I want to talk about like I am sad about it because I feel like
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that is but she was like taking advantage of because she was like kidnapped you know
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and like had to marry this guy John because he like said he loved her and like who knows if they really loved each other because I don't know what she was
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thinking and I have no evidence of what she was thinking so maybe I'm an [ __ ] and she was super excited and was like
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this is exciting I'm an Explorer like I'm out here like doing these things that like only Chiefs do because I'm
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talking with translating and talking to Governors and doing all these things and I'm learning and I get to go across the ocean to these lands that we didn't know
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existed so like in one case maybe she's excited you know but in another case maybe she's just like really taken
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advantage of and exploited as being the like an example of a person that they were able to convert to you know their
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ways and um this like romanticized figure obviously because we talk about her all
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the time as like someone who you know bridged that gap between the two vastly different cultures
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um but I don't know did she want you how did she feel I have no idea I wish she would have lived longer to tell us you
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know I think that's the real tragedy for me is that we don't have anything from her we just have like the what people
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say about her and they needed to have this like beautiful story to have it make sense
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I get a little bit of Patty Hearst vibes [Music]
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no that totally makes sense like some Stockholm syndrome like oh yeah I'm like now I'm on these on this guy's side and
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all of that because she had to like live with them and you know convert to to all the things that they
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were doing so she probably was like yeah I know I totally I don't know maybe this is maybe he
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thinks this is better like this is better for the world that you're here in doing this yeah yeah interesting yeah
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because the parallel universe parallel timeline is she's not kidnapped for nine years and she is allowed to what are
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what a seminal moment though that her friend asked her to go check out this ship that's crazy that's what all
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happened like that is such a great example of a fork in a road that can actually derail
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your path right and for all by all accounts she didn't want to go she was like Ugh I don't want to go and her
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friend was like please come with me like I need you to translate I really am excited and her friend sold her out and
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and got her kidnapped to you know to that started a lot of things so yeah I know she definitely didn't want to do
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that like that's documented so maybe she didn't want to do any of it you know
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divorced but maybe other guy divorced and they're still friends and they can just hang out I mean they could have
31:54
remarried they could have been married maybe she's someone who gets married four times but three times as I missed a Pokemon
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a lot of multiple marriages on our stories we know very little about him but I'm definitely pro-cocum yeah no
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totally okay let's and now I see why the non-alcoholic
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drink is just standing outside and having the wind hit you yeah it's the color of the wind when I picture Pocahontas I
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rightly or wrongly picture the Disney cartoon of her just standing on a rock
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with wind blowing her hair back leaves are like around her head yes that's what
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that's what we're thinking when we're outside just kind of breathing in the world and the last time that the world
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felt maybe safe for a 13 10 year old possibly girl
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yeah wow awesome very cool story Taylor thank you for sharing that was um I'm
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laughing because I'm like oh one thing I was like we need more banter and also like that was not very funny
32:53
I feel like I mean in it it was just a tragic story but it's just
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it's just interesting and and um yeah it's crazy
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yeah so um I'm sold digesting your story a
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little bit but I'll go ahead and dive in um so like I mentioned I am discussing the tote family coach is spelled t-o-d-t
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just in case you ever want to look it up yourself do you know what that means in German no uh dead
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are you serious mm-hmm why do you know that being said because
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I took like eight years of German it was funny I took Russian and I don't
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know any of it now in Duolingo but I also took it in college and so you know yeah I took it in college too and I was
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like I'm in Texas I probably should learn Spanish but I know I learned Russian um so let's get into let's get into the
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toad family so obviously Taylor you know I love True Crime I like to think that I'm aware of the
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more Sensational stories that are out there this one wasn't even on my radar yeah I've never heard it and I'm really
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surprised because I feel like I've heard everything so that's cool so I'm gonna plug a few other shows here
34:10
I stumbled on this story mostly because YouTube's algorithm just totally has me dialed in and they recommended a channel
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for me called the behavior panel this is a channel that is um comprised
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of four body language experts who review police interviews or testimony on the
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witness stand they'll pause these conversations they'll pause these videos and they'll assess what they're reading
34:35
into that person's body language okay that's the entire premise of this this YouTube channel
34:40
um YouTube recommended a episode of this to me called history's worst liar
34:47
question mark Anthony toades with a picture of Tony I'm gonna call
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him Tony from here right now that's how people refer to him Tony um and it was a picture of Tony and he just looked like a haunted doofus like
34:59
he just looked like such an idiot on on this screenshot that I was like ah this could be interesting
35:05
he's so hapless looking let's see what this guy's all about I went down a rabbit hole
35:11
I actually think I probably scared people how deep into this I went I would
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tell everyone I met about this case for a period of maybe two months like I am
35:24
positive there are women in Austin that I went on dates with had me on their list of worst dates ever they're
35:31
probably telling their current boyfriends of this date where I'm talking about this horrible haunted crime that is just
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like in my brain forever now um I can't wait I will look around on
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the internet to see if there's anyone who's like watch out for the guy who talks about this scary thing yeah
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um sorry to sorry to you all if y'all are listening um go back to this so this story is so
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Macabre and sinister the one thing I would tell people listening is don't try to go inside this
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guy's head you know so much of what I love about true crime is trying to figure out like
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how could someone be this way how could they do this how you know like what are the the thought patterns that would lead
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someone to the outcomes that we see in True Crime don't do it with this guy it'll take you places that you don't
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want to go just trust me like I did I went really deep with this I just don't want to do it again
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um but yeah if you really want to go in the Weeds on this there is a 14-part series
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called looking for the tote family it's produced by this publication called the day
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um I highly recommend it it was incredible I actually listened to it twice backpack I actually didn't go back and listen to it when we started
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researching this because I it was already ingrained in my brain like I said before um but um are you are you okay
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yeah yeah no I'm totally fine again like in this when we started when I started
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researching this again I didn't go as deep as I did before because I didn't want to um but I highly recommend the day it's
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publication they actually interviewed this guy they interviewed his sister they like they did an incredible job of
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a completely comprehensive take on what happened here okay so let's get into the
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um the subjects of this topic so there's Tony tote he's 47. he's a patriarch of
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the family he is married to Megan who's 42. was 42 they had three children Alec
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who's 13 Tyler who's 11 Zoe who's four and they also had a dog named Breezy
37:38
I'm using past tense for a reason what year we're in
37:43
we everything transpires in 2019 or 2020. oh Jesus okay yeah fairly recent
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it's like yesterday yeah yeah exactly um there isn't a ton of detail out there
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about Megan and Tony's past um all we know is there were high school sweethearts they grew up together by all
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accounts it was kind of an idyllic um marriage it looked like a successful happy marriage from the outside in
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um and that's unfortunately where the the extent of our knowledge of their background is there is a detail about
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Tony's background I'm going to go into a little bit later I just don't actually know where to couch that in this outline so we're going to discuss it later on
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one thing to note is make it have Lyme disease I don't
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know I don't know much about Lyme disease other than from the stories I've
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heard it can be an incredibly debilitating disease do you know anything about this
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it was from yes you
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feel like I um well I remember remember the real world Seattle
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and definitely not okay that is not something that's going on the hard drive forever
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there's a real old Seattle oh my gosh it was so dramatic it was like 1993 maybe and
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um I remember one of the women had Lyme disease and it was really debilitating for her and I know people who like I think I know people who have it and it's
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definitely something that is really difficult to recover from yeah yeah don't go in the woods and
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get eaten by tick well I don't know if it has psychological impacts
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um but I put it in this because there's a part of the story that comes up a little bit later that might make it
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relevant that she had Lyme disease we'll get to that for for Tony's part
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um Tony was a physical therapist in Colchester Connecticut he was apparently
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pretty successful and good you know enough at least he started his own Clinic that was called Family Physical Therapy from what I read of his patients
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they were incredibly pleased with him and again if you listen to the day podcast there's so many glowing interviews of his patients that are in
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that it's fantastic um like after after yeah yeah like yeah maybe I don't
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even know what happens but I'm saying like after they're like they went back and interviewed some of the patients they're like this guy like one lady was
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like crying saying that her kid was in constant pain and Tony's therapy like
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just saved them both yeah like he was apparently really good at this
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um but we're gonna we're gonna we're gonna have appetizers okay an appetizer of a crime so we're gonna start with a
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starter crime just to get the ball rolling here okay I immediately you said that I said um mozzarella sticks in my head so
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I thought all jalapeno poppers nice oh we should get one of those things that has a little bit of everything I think I
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know we're doing after this um so as a starter crime to kind of wet our
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appetite Tony was apparently engaged in um Medicaid fraud from about 2015 to 2019.
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so Tony this is gonna be a theme here tell me Tony would over extend himself
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constantly um and he did it with his Clinic as well he had the best of the best equipment in one instance he ended up billing a
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patient's insurance company and Medicaid for 172 sessions that he didn't perform so that's basically like that's that's
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how this fraud works is you say I did a service you've issued an invoice you get paid for it you didn't actually do
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anything so um in addition to that he had multiple commercial loans that he had taken out
41:17
it kind of sounds like he was running a Ponzi scheme on himself where he'd take
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a loan out to pay expenses in other loans then take another loan to pay that loan he's basically he was just Bernie
41:29
madoffing himself at this point like he made no sense like I don't even understand how desperate one could be where you don't see the
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writing on the wall if you continue doing this but he did it see a lot is like not knowing what to do
41:43
with all your debt like the turpins and all that credit card debt and even like
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the people of Jamestown had so much debt back to the back to England and they had to start doing kind of like weird [ __ ] to figure out how to get so they needed
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we don't know how much that Lucy was in so we can't substantiate that uh Lucy
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McGillicuddy yes of course uh so it's worth noting that Megan was
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not involved in the operations of the business at all she sometimes worked as a physical therapist for the most part she was just homeschooling the kids uh
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it's fair to assume she had no idea what was going on financially um and as far as she was concerned she was with this
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great provider and Tony who was basically taking care of everything in again as far as we can tell
42:27
um everybody liked and respected him so why would she dive into it but I
42:33
actually flagged this as red flag number one for me which is be okay with inquiring into your spouse about what's
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going on with them professionally I feel like maybe like this family was incredibly incredibly traditional where
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the wife stays at home with the kids and homeschools the husband goes out and earns the bread and does all that which is fine but you should also have
42:53
the kind of relationship where it's okay to bring the negative and the stressors of your professional life into your
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personal life and so I don't it doesn't sound like that was the case here it sounds like there was a clear Silo
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between Tony's professional life and his personal life um which I can't even imagine how much
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tension that puts on a person I mean we'll see how it turns out but yeah um
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so keep in mind that as we're going to go through and talk about all this that
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he'd already been found out by the authorities that he'd been committing this fraud so the new sister on the time so Tony's the only person who knows
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what's going on here nobody else knows going on his employees don't know what's going on the pages don't know Megan obviously doesn't know what's going on
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either um okay I'm gonna go into a bit of a rant Taylor okay so in the interest of
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over extending the family also rented a house in Celebration Florida so they had
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a house in Colchester they also got a house of Celebration Taylor your reaction I wrote this in the
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outline I was like what does Taylor know about this city and you just react in the exact way that I was hoping you would react so tell me what you know
43:58
about the city I've been there holy [ __ ] okay so I am of the opinion
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that like and I hate to yuck people's yums and I know I did that in the last episode with the sex party at the
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turpin's house but also I stand by if you're at a sex party and children are being abused you should call the police also like people like different sex
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parties that's fine so I apologize for objecting that yum I do feel like it's really hard for me to not yuck the yam
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of Disney adults because you're a freaking adult like I know adults that Go Disney Disney World by themselves you
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know I'm like what is wrong with you so I mean I know people love it but like I just don't understand like I don't even
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want to go with my kids but celebration is a city in
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Orlando that's like a Disney town where like they made
44:45
everything look perfect you know like I went there because my in-laws just working live in Orlando and we went
44:50
there on Christmas to a restaurant and walked outside and it was like fake snowing so it's like building this
44:56
idea that you live in this like idyllic perfect Disney town with a bunch of other [ __ ] Psychopaths because everybody wants to live in a Disney town
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and it's weird as [ __ ] Taylor guess what the average age
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of a person living in celebration is 45. 37. uh how [ __ ] stunted
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sorry I'm not talking [ __ ] if you're in celebration I know I love you but how
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[ __ ] stunted are you if that is the epitome of a life to you at 37 years old
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I mean I don't know I I mean obviously I just talked about Disney movie and how like
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Coco um was a big deal for a lot of people so like sure but it's just like
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it's too much if we're buying a house in celebration that was the overlap by the way yeah the Pocahontas movie the Disney
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movie and then celebration that's the overlap here there's another one too but Jason Momoa would not live there
45:55
nobody you'd want to socialize with would live there again if you live there God bless you um
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yeah overall one of the grossest Concepts I've ever come across um it is I wrote down that is the Ben
46:08
Shapiro of cities just it's a case study in consumerism yeah
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capitalization of Life the sterilization of The Human Condition it's all
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disgusting like take character and just remove it and that's
46:27
what you get with celebration oh my God I'm like so many people are gonna stop being my friend because they thought it was like super nice and then they're
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gonna listen to this and be like Taylor's not very nice well Taylor's honest in this situation
46:39
so yeah to your point so um celebration like you said celebration was founded by the Walt Disney Corporation
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um and like like we're kind of talking about here like I like you said with you like
46:52
I [ __ ] hate well like I hate Disneyland and Disney World the movies are great the movies are fantastic I'm
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into the movies but um but there's there's something about this town and about like the Disney culture
47:04
it just it just like it reminds me of like an Irish Catholic Family where like the dad's a a constant drunk in the
47:12
kid's gay and the mom cries all the time they all pretend like everything's fine and normal and nobody talks about their issues as well like that's what Disney
47:20
sounds like to me I mean I guarantee you there are no therapists in Celebration yeah
47:26
yeah you gotta you gotta figure out your mental health some other way there unfortunately but
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um one thing I wrote here which like is incredible I I I dug this up did you
47:37
know this Taylor they put speakers in the trees to make bird sounds
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celebration yeah can you believe that [ __ ] I've guessed
47:50
like 15 times but I feel like it's like what what do you what do you are you
47:56
like ah not like put a [ __ ] bird feeder outside and get some birds peanut butter
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on a pine cone like you do when you're a kid it's not perfect enough you need to have the exact right pitch and you have
48:08
the exact right Cadence I'm like so I know I told you that I was there there was fake snow after when I went out of the restaurant that was delicious I had
48:14
paella it was really good but I feel like I'm surprised it's not in a dome yeah yeah I'm surprised it's not
48:20
like a biosphere where it's like just sunny all the time and like blah blah it's 10 square miles do you believe that
48:26
God so anyways um yeah like there's there's a part of
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the story which is obviously going to get an incredibly dark and terrible but it's also kind of hilarious because I
48:39
just want to imagine the typical resident of Celebration and then pretending they're living in this Disney
48:44
Universe and then Tony comes along and does what he does there and it just
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completely just like I don't know it's not funny but it's also like this is the
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real world like I know you want to live in a Disneyland but there is also a real world here
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um first I'm sorry can I see one more question yes so we are together in your new house in
49:06
Austin and I told you as soon as I got here that I already zillowed it um because I always was a little house
49:11
if you give me your address and then I sent your address to my sister so she's gonna tell her where I was and she also zilated immediately because that's what
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you do you silhouette and um did you Zillow their house in celebration how much did it cost do you
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know I so this is when I went on that deep dive a few months ago um
49:29
because the house came up for sale uh I think maybe six months ago give or
49:36
take and it didn't sell obviously being the reason the reason they came up for me because I'm on every social media
49:43
group that has to do with like serial killers and it popped up somebody's saying does anybody know whose house
49:48
this is and I looked it up and it was listed somewhere in the four to five hundred range whereas every other house
49:54
in that area is in the 800 900 range it's a large house it's a little a little maybe maybe a
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murder house the um the the one of the worst Parts about
50:05
this is that the poor woman who owned the house at least this house the toad
50:11
family she lives there now full time but she can't get rid of it oh she didn't oh
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no yeah they didn't they leased it from her at least uh um
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yeah yeah so so long story short so the family is living in celebration uh
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starting in May of 2019 that's when they signed their lease so may of 2019 they moved the family down to Florida Tony
50:35
Stace and Colchester Connecticut to CBS patients and the work and then he goes back and forth on the weekends
50:41
um I'm gonna start throwing out some dates here uh but like I said just know that everything we are talking about is
50:47
between November 2019 and January 2020. it is that tight of a time frame okay so
50:52
on November 21st agents raid Tony's office they take all those files computers all that other stuff that
50:59
further bolster their case against him for insurance and Medicaid fraud uh this blows my mind this investigation
51:06
was apparently super chill because he was kind of just like going about living his life and doing doing whatever he wanted um he still go back and forth to Florida
51:12
and Connecticut the agents would ask when he could meet he'd let them know they didn't seem to have an especially adversarial relationship at this point
51:20
to that end he told investigators TV back in Connecticut on December 4th to
51:25
be with his attorney and then continue with this investigation it was almost like they were putting things on hold to work around his schedule which was
51:31
incredible um so I'm just here is saying okay cool we got a few weeks to chill then obviously this upstanding man is going
51:37
to come meet with us and you know like I hate going super into like the privilege thing but this one just smacked me so
51:44
hard to privilege the fact that this guy built the government out of tens or potentially hundreds of thousands of dollars the government is like well have
51:50
a great holiday we'll see you you know when whenever when are you free sir yeah so weird
51:56
um so the next day is the last day anybody sees Tony that's November 22nd so that's Thanksgiving and he is with
52:04
his sister no clue if the rest of the family is there if they're still in Florida um all we know is that Tony was for sure
52:11
there um the sister here's from the family periodically and
52:16
it was like it was normal interactions with them until around December 23rd 24th that's when the all communication
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stopped in a way that for her sounded unusual to the kind of relationship she had with them
52:28
on the 29th she gets vibes she calls the cops to do a welfare check the family also owned another condo
52:36
about an hour away from this rental house in celebration again super overextended she asked the police to go
52:43
check there and to check the house of celebration for the welfare check Tony in one of his earlier
52:48
Communications tour had told her that the entire family was super sick that's why nobody was talking to her basically
52:54
um so police went to check and again they're super chill they knocked on the door they didn't see anything suspect
52:59
they're like nah it's all good we can't really do anything else for a year that's that was the way they ended up on the 29th of December so that's like a
53:06
week after Thanksgiving and she's like we're not I haven't heard from him no she stopped hearing from him December
53:12
23rd 24th okay it was a month after Thanksgiving oh December okay yeah
53:18
so on January 6 people started hearing from them again Tony made some vague claim to a family member that his phone
53:24
had been stolen or lost at a Starbucks and then he being he had just been returned a neighbor to the of a condo
53:32
neighbor of theirs texted Megan letting her know that an eviction notice had been put on the condo Megan replied okay
53:38
thanks by this point there was eviction notice on everything the celebration house that eviction notice and the condo an hour
53:44
away from the house had an eviction notice on it um given what was going on obviously Tony just didn't he was in a different
53:51
mental state he was not paying bills at this point on January 9th the FBI is trying to get frantic weather
53:57
investigation this is the point in which they're like this guy's not talking to anyone he's not coming back we should
54:04
probably start doing something they call the police the local police in Florida and the same day Chrissy also calls the
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local police and this is what Chrissy says this is a quote my sister-in-law had
54:19
made a comment that basically quote the world is ending on December 28th
54:24
and nobody has talked to them nobody has physically talked to my sister-in-law
54:29
since the 26th of December and my brother stopped texting us as of Monday January 6th she's been in this call on
54:36
January 9th so I'll tell you this statement really threw a monkey wrench for me in this
54:42
situation because I don't tell my family anything I keep all the inner workings of my mind a complete secret because I
54:48
just don't welcome any questions about my life so for me to say the world is ending on whatever date seems really
54:54
[ __ ] bizarre you know like maybe you have a different relationship maybe you're more vocal
54:59
about the things that you would Express to your family what do you think of that well okay I am definitely more vocal and
55:06
express my feelings to my family but that's a weird ass thing to say who says that's so weird it's so weird I
55:13
wouldn't say that to anyone like what what are you what are you supposed to do with that as a receiver of that
55:18
information be like cool I'm gonna spend all my money now or I don't know or like great have you talked to Jesus like what
55:26
does that even mean so we you know a meteor yeah we know
55:31
that Megan said this to Chrissy to Tony's sister because it was on a phone call it wasn't a text it was a phone
55:37
call and so very peculiar very very odd
55:43
situation and again I'm not sure what to make of it but it does set up some plausible deniability for Tony later on
55:49
so that's a good thing for him I guess um a day later uh this is January 10th
55:55
the police go to both the condo and the house and they find nothing on the 11th they go back and again find nothing and
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then on the 12th the poor owner of this house they're leasing calls it also asks
56:08
for welfare check this woman sounds like a sweet landlord actually like it here's
56:15
here's what she said this is a direct quote I own a property that I rent out and I have concerns for the family on
56:21
social media I've just sort of seen that people have not seen or heard from this family in a long long time and I'm
56:27
trying to sort of notice to be victim because they've not been paying rent I'm concerned for the family and I'm
56:32
concerned for my property I just thought it was me they weren't communicating with because they owed me money but in
56:37
general they've not in contact with anybody so she's freaking out like what's gonna happen to this like amazing
56:43
house she has and shitty [ __ ] [ __ ] Celebration Florida you know like it's gonna are they destroying it or what
56:50
that's good that's some good soothing of her yeah yeah um at this point federal agents are
56:57
basically like [ __ ] this guy we gotta go get him they call the local police for backup and by this point they had seen
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Tony entering the um rental house and not leave so on the 13th they go to the house this
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time the door's unlocked and they just let themselves in this is all for Medicaid fraud right not
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even like the fact that his family is missing them this is not about the money yeah the next thing like I don't know
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how the FBI Works obviously but I imagine you don't put the financial crime people on murder investigations
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yeah look at my mind I'm picturing like these guys going in with calculators and
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pocket protectors to put this guy for like an incredibly white collared crime which like spring down your mind as well
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of like who the personality types are that are walking into this house and it's also that they're like they're they
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didn't have like a tremendous sense of urgency you know that they were like okay we'll give you the holidays and
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then now they're like all right it's super annoying you haven't called us but they're not like this is a lit for death situation there's like we need to
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finally do our jobs so come to yeah their investigation of the in the
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fraud is less than two months old I mean these things drag on for years like it's not like a crazy urgent situation yeah
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um but here Taylor this is where the nightmare fuel really begins okay do me
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a favor Google Tony tote again it's t-o-d-t
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and do a rest after it so I want you to see the most recent picture of him upon his arrest
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don't say anything yeah
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you saw it I did so apparently pretty shortly before the
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events of what's gonna happen Tony was in decent shape
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so if if you're listening and you're not looking at this picture I'm gonna go ahead and describe it and Taylor you can
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describe them as well the day he is arrested he basically looks like Danny DeVito's Penguin from Batman Returns
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like he is a again not fat shaming anyone he does not look normal fat he
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looks like a blob of a human being is is how I describe it and it becomes relevant that
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he looks like a blob of a human being shortly when I get into the murders so Taylor what do you think of his appearance
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well he definitely doesn't look good I mean I'm not not even like his weight but he just looks like
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he he looks like a broken sad human like he definitely looks like he's given
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up I feel like that's like what I get from like his face like his face is like
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expressionless you know um you know and I mean it's like doing many favorites he's wearing this like white jumpsuit
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but like he just he looks like well he looks real [ __ ] guilty that's
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what he looks like he looks real [ __ ] bad he looks like somebody who has
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probably like been resuscitated after 17 heart attacks like he is not in a good way no
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and he's on a good way the day the police get there apparently he I'll get into what he took but um police open the
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door to this house so the FBI and the police open the door of this house they go inside and Tony
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comes hobbling down the stairs like again he's not in a good way like he's not like just bouncing down the stairs like what's going on guys no like he's
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just like half aware of what's going on you know I just keep your picturing all
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the lights off in this house for some reason and then this guy coming down the stairs just looking out of sorts with
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the body type that he had it had to be surreal they already knew something was up because they later stated that the
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second they opened the door the smell of decomposition hit them and they only got it only got worse the deeper they went
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into the house so they knew there was something going on here this part again don't go into this guy's
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head is [ __ ] terrifying he told the police that his kids were probably at a
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friend's house for a sleepover and that his wife was upstairs sleeping Taylor he
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yelled up to his wife no like like police are here come on down
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again just it gets worse it gets so much worse so I feel like yeah I feel like he's
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when you say the lights for like always off yeah I feel like he hasn't like he
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looks like someone who hasn't been in the light artificial or not in a very long time yeah yeah whenever whenever I
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didn't put this into the sound line but when I originally was looking up this case apparently what he was doing when the police had showed up was that he had
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been sitting on the front patio of the celebration house just like blankly
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staring into the distance and then they say that when he got up to go in the house his body movements were abnormal
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like he was not moving his body in a way that made sense to probably just to stand up and walk inside the house like
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again there's a lot going on in this guy's head in his body it kind of looks
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like um Vincent D'Onofrio when he's full of aliens and yeah that's what he looks
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like it's so good yeah you know that yeah that's right and like I can also picture his [ __ ] neighbor across the
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street mowing his lawn being like dude I live in Celebration what a what a weird fit community
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meeting that must have been after this happened yeah so police go upstairs and they find what
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you would expect given the nature of stories that I tell they find incredibly badly decomposed bodies yeah except
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Zoe the four-year-old little girl you can't find her no at first
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Megan was in bed with the covers pulled over her this is so bad
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they eventually after some investigation realize that the puddle
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that was at Megan's feet was Zoe no
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for whatever reason she decomposed the quickest or whatever like
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they used to know this girl was there like it was just like an amorphous blob and the foot of her mom's
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bed um no how old is she four oh my God
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that's like big it's not like a tiny baby yeah what um how long were they
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dead oh we're gonna get to that oh yeah when he gets that going back to how Tony
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looks now and like his abnormal bad distribution and weight
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what he did to Zoe is so [ __ ] haunting to me like again this is the stuff that like you just
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don't want to go super deep into it he killed her by laying on her
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no do you [ __ ] believe that no
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oh my God you can give your kids away something I just want to say that again you can just
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leave them mad like the sore we take him to the fire station please
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um so um or baby as far as the rest of the
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family he at the very least stabbed the two boys and Megan
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but it autopsy also revealed a toxic level of Benadryl in their system which
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like I didn't I actually didn't know you could OD on Benadryl like I say I guess you can OD on anything of course you can
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yeah totally well there you go um well hopefully they were asleep
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oh that's terrible except for at the very least for Zoe and no we know that that wasn't the case because one of the
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boys um Tony later stated that he was really really nervous about because when he started stabbing him he was like that's
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the older boy he might actually be able to overpower me and run out of the house or Escape or something he actually like
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so they were conscious enough to where he thought that was a legitimate risk
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ugh yeah we know all this because he actually confessed the police three times three separate instances he
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confessed the police ultimately they deem this inadmissible but whatever we're not a legal procedure show so he
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confessed to laying on his little girl until she stopped breathing that's what happened as far as I'm concerned he also
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killed the dog Breezy not sure what that was necessary but I guess you know he was on a roll
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um police think the murders happened around Christmas Taylor
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do you remember when I said they were found January something
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January 13th so think about that
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picture this guy basically the penguin rambling around the house for three
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weeks oh my god with four corpses plus his dead dog
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eating Popeye's Chicken and just sitting there like and people are like knocking on the door
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right yeah people are asking where they've done like at this point three or four welfare checks on him as well oh my God
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this is another another plant from our last episode I feel like you should look in your neighbor's windows
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guys please don't do that I'm just gonna say like maybe you need to sometimes
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like just like take a peek and if things look like weird then call the police a
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little curious yeah be like a smidge curious like if things seem weird just like I don't know puppet maybe like
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bring some cookies so you can later be like oh bring your cookies you know but like not make it weird but
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like I feel like we should we should look in your neighbor's windows okay like this is the part of this story
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that I think I like dwelled on the most was you're in this house with your dead family rotting above you for weeks no
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you're so crazy to me it's the point where one of the kids is a puddle of puddle of sinew like it's absolutely
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unbelievable oh my God it's awful um so Tony's side of the story uh
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changes after he confessed um it seemed at first you know he did the confessing then later on he said that his wife did
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it Ben later said that it was some partisan plan he and his wife had to Stave off the apocalypse it's worth noting that
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nothing I read mentioned religion or spirituality at all with these folks all we have is what Tony says now and what
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Megan told Christy about the world ending on December 28th which is interesting given when
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investigators think they died wait did they kill them on December 28th they they don't know because the bodies
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were so decomposed they just assumed it was in this window of time around Christmas time oh my God yeah
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so according to Tony Megan had baked a pie that had a shitload of Benadryl in it and apparently fed it to the kids
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then they took a bunch of Benadryl then she took a bunch of Benadryl herself and then also he says she stabbed herself in
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the abdomen given her previous statement yeah I thought that too but given the previous statement about how the world is going
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to end there's part of this story that I'm like could this have been a thing
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I I don't it's there's more evidence around Tony having
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done all this than there is about Megan all we have about Megan is that she was in constant pain because of Lyme disease
1:08:14
and she did make this statement that is verified that the world is going to end on the 28th that's all we really know
1:08:20
so like I don't know this reminds me of like it would be a lot if he was like
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secretly convincing her that the world was going to end and she needed to kill her children I feel like other people would know that she was having that
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experience and nobody said anything nobody yeah they were like Megan's normal like to
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the point where the the red flag of all this to Chrissy Tony's sister was I
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talked to these people all the time like we have right great relationship and now I just don't hear from them at all
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so I don't know I I'm leading it's not enough for me to say Megan did
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this um but it's just another weird component of this yeah
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um no I don't think yeah you when you think about like the ax dropping of the fraud investigation
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with the evictions and also the fact that at this point it goes probably without saying but he'd actually
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exhausted every Financial resource he had at that time he had nothing left but there was nothing left like it was over
1:09:19
like it was all done um and then yeah ultimately what ended up happening was his trial lasted for
1:09:26
only six days he was hit with four life sentences plus one year for killing the
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dog Breezy he obviously appealed and obviously that's not going anywhere um
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there is a there's a random fact here that I didn't actually put in to the storyline because
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I don't know where to place it so in the 1980s Tony's parents
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were married they lived together like they wanted a divorce couple or anything the dad's name is Robert and apparently
1:09:56
Robert hired what kind of sounds like probably like a slightly mentally disabled person paid
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him 800 to kill his wife oh no Tony's mom yeah
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so the guy shot her in the face in the kitchen of their home
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directly in front of a four-year-old Tony well I don't think that's random I
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think that [ __ ] up for life but like oh by the way she lived I don't
1:10:26
know how she lived and apparently apparently she like really loved Robert because she was like on his side for the
1:10:33
trial which is incredible he ended up ultimately going to jail for five years and Tony and him
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essentially had no relationship after that until now until this happened with
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Tony and now him and Robert are now back pen paling each other and having the conversations because they're wife
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killers you're you fell so close to the tree I'm
1:10:57
just so jealous that you succeeded in killing your wife I don't it's not it's not irrelevant like I
1:11:05
think that's really a big [ __ ] deal but is it relevant in the sense that now like there's a common stripe running
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through this family of yeah that is absolutely unbelievable [ __ ] trauma for a child
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like can you you that ruins your life clearly I think we can direct thread
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that would happen and they get red yarn and direct thread that to him killing his family because if you see that
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I mean Tony um draws that comparison himself as well of
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this did something to me I don't know what but it's it's just like I I have such a hard time excusing me like
1:11:49
finding reasons to excuse Behavior like this like it's no I mean don't kill your family that's number one that's not an
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excuse but I feel like it definitely contributed and like I I also feel like you never went to a therapist
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yeah yeah and he never talked about his problems he never told his wife what he
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was I'm totally editorializing this and and making an assumption I would assume that
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if he didn't think that he was in a position where he had to commit all this fraud to sustain the lifestyle that he and the kids that Megan have become
1:12:21
accustomed to he probably wouldn't have done this I think that this was a man at the incomplete end of his rope he'd give
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it up on like I mean that's the part of it like again the picture that you see of him that is a man who gave up on all
1:12:35
of life all of it well I mean this is exactly what a family Annihilator does like when you see a family Annihilator I
1:12:41
think John list and it's exactly what he did because he was like there's too much debt I don't know what to do I
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have to kill my family I'm In Too Deep you know like I can't take this family out of
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this nice house I have to kill them yeah yeah it's it feels like that is a
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Common Thread that runs through all of this but um yeah that is uh for the reason the
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reason I picked my tie is because if you don't know this you can only drink in one place in
1:13:14
Disneyland and it's club 33. and Club 33 has this like old-timey vibe to it and
1:13:21
you have to be like invited or something to go there again this is so [ __ ] stupid like it's like another reason not to go I'm just gonna add that to my um
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yeah you have to be sober while all these kids are screaming and running around it it sounds sitting in Lines
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Just in lines and it's also paid thousands of dollars to do
1:13:42
this I feel like we did this last week when you although the turbines going there but like also it's been really rainy in
1:13:48
California and I saw pictures of people going to Disneyland in the rain
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Taylor if we ever are able to get like advertisers in Disney or Disney Cruise
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Line decides to Advocate advertise on us for enough to take this episode Down 100 going if they're paying for it I did
1:14:07
go one time because I have friends who worked there and they paid for it like it was free yeah that's I mean that's
1:14:12
worth that and only that but but this Club 33 all they have are old-timey drinks they don't do anything modern and
1:14:19
so it's like sazeracs and Mai Tai's and stuff like that I love it there yeah side is very yeah it's very you Taylor
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it's very I love a speakeasy rapper retro yeah like I want to open a closet door
1:14:31
and be in a bar yes 100 yes but behind a bookcase oh my God I would die that's so
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fun oh yeah so that's that's why the we're doing my ties today but that's my story
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um it is really troubling it's so sad that people like it's
1:14:51
I mean that I feel terrible for the kids and for the wife and I think all of that like her doing it stuff is
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um [ __ ] I think he just wants to like you know maybe get one less life sentence or whatever but like that's
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absolute [ __ ] there's no way that she did that I mean I feel like he was Maybe
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I'm sure as she was saying she hit the fan that things were not great in the relationship you know
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yeah and she's like oh hey hun the FBI is at the door for you beginning of something bad
1:15:22
I don't even think she it didn't even go that far I think that was like the barrier that he created with them living
1:15:27
in celebration while he's doing all this in Connecticut oh right yeah
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maybe that's why they moved to celebrate maybe that's why they even known to Florida was because he was like I have to create a physical barrier between
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what a cluster well that's terrible thanks for sharing uh next week I will be sharing an
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incredibly happy story we really no
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um because mine is the love story and I'm just so sorry that it's not gonna be funny but I just can't and I have
1:16:02
already cried about it so um to love story that didn't work out so I just can't talk about it but also don't
1:16:09
stop recording because I feel like we don't have any banter at the end of our show we need to add Mandarin I will keep recording
1:16:16
um we need like a sign off and something funny to say when we leave so I feel like I don't know like look in your
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neighbor's windows and do you want to do it no I need we need
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maybe to think about it more but I just don't want to like abruptly end it
1:16:34
um that's I don't want to sit here in silence but we're going to work on an ending we're this is episode three
1:16:40
but we're not just gonna cut it off anymore we're gonna add more banter we're gonna be funnier these are my
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promises to the to the worlds I I feel like my stories aren't funny though well
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I want to pick comedy as like our number one thing especially we should adjust that
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uh that's a good point but yeah no I'm looking forward to next week to learn
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more about this love story and I'm gonna bring you another horrible horrible story that will hopefully curl your toes
1:17:15
um and make you envision horrible things happening to people that probably don't deserve it great yeah yeah more red
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flags more red flags more relationships that were doomed to fail it's all coming up oh wait wait I have
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one more thing to say while we're still recording so first one of my best friends Nicole she was like she texted
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me and she was like I have to tell you something and I was like okay she was like so when I looked at your stuff from
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Doom to fail and I saw a DTF um I thought about something else I didn't think Doom to fail when I saw that acronym and I was like
1:17:48
I know Nicole that's the joke she was like okay good just making sure it was so I was like thanks for having
1:17:54
my back and she was like of course it was absolutely intentional I will also say that Taylor's the one who asked for
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the DTF logo um yeah so it was all you're doing
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so um well let's we'll go ahead and sign off thanks everyone for listening and
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we'll be back next week see you next week [Music]
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thank you