Today, we re-visit the story of Pocahontas - and we mention the predator John Smith, who acted like they were lovers to get attention and fame, which is gross because she was literally a child. Eventually, after being kidnapped and baptized (related events), Pocahontas marries another white dude named John and dies in smokey ol' England at a very young age. It's not a fairy tale - but she seems pretty fearless and obviously special to have captured our hearts for so long. Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/doomedtofailpod/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/doomedtofailpod Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@doomedtofailpod TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@doomed.to.fail.pod Email: doomedtofailpod@gmail.com
Today, we re-visit the story of Pocahontas - and we mention the predator John Smith, who acted like they were lovers to get attention and fame, which is gross because she was literally a child. Eventually, after being kidnapped and baptized (related events), Pocahontas marries another white dude named John and dies in smokey ol' England at a very young age.
It's not a fairy tale - but she seems pretty fearless and obviously special to have captured our hearts for so long.
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everyone it's Taylor welcome to episode three part one where I talk about
Pocahontas and John Smith kind of I don't know if he really deserves to be talked about but
um it's pretty tragic tragic story all around definitely not happy not a happy ending so that's I guess the big
question is was she happy my guess is no but but I don't know I don't want to
speak for her so hope you enjoy and I'll see you on the other side of the people of State of California versus James
Simpson case number ba-09 [Music]
what your country can do for you ask what you can do for your country
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welcome to Doom to fail the podcast where we have to come up with signature
drinks to temper down how sad we are about the stories that we're about to tell you I'm farz joined here by Taylor
and every week we'll be bringing you two Tales one historic and one true Prime related to relationships that we're
doomed to fail what's our signature drink this week Taylor so thank you farz
so today we are our alcoholic drink is a mai tai
um what is it in My Thai Forest it's like it sounds tropical papaya it is tropical so my Thai typically contains
age agricole whatever that is cool rum real
shroom lime yeah you know I'm reading off of a very very old and outdated Mai
Tai recipe so I'm thinking rum I feel like a Pina colada-ish kind of thing a happy drink
it's a happy drink for a very unhappy story okay okay um and then for our non-alcoholic drink
we'll be drinking just the Colors of the Wind so just stand outside and let the wind hit you
um um first you wanna tell us who you're talking about and then I'll go into mine
I am going to be discussing the Anthony tote family markers very excited I'm
drinking my white cloth I'm very excited because I don't know what that is I haven't heard that before
um before we get there let me talk about the tragic story of Pocahontas and her
husband John Rolfe um which is a relationship that ultimately led to her death at a very
very young age so Taylor you don't know this yet but our stories have a very
unusual overlap oh my God which I'll disclose to you after I get to my story
um but yes very interesting that you picked Pocahontas cool okay that's awesome I'm happy to hear that
um because it's like we planned it um so I got some of this information
from the internet nps.gov Smithsonian Magazine History Channel
um and listen to the podcast a short history of Pocahontas as well so um
well I also listened to our first episode and I want to try to say um less so I'm going to work on that that's my
growth Edge in this episode I wanted to do as far as something Texan because we're in Texas together and
usually I'm in California and you're in Texas but we're in the same house even though we're in different rooms and I'm super excited that we're together so
last minute I decided to look up Stephen F Austin and see if he had any like relationship stuff but he was just a
piece of [ __ ] who wasn't married um and I just someday maybe I'll talk about the history of Texas but the
history of Texas the history of white people who wanted to leave America so they could have slaves and Mexico being
like absolutely not you cannot have slaves here and white people fighting to have slaves so every town named after a
white man in Texas is named after a piece of [ __ ] um yeah the things that Stephen F Austin
said about slaves and slavery and enslaved people are disgusting um he was a bad guy and he died young
without any love so at least and I was and that was our two
minute technology lesson because we discussed Pocahontas today
um so then I was thinking about colonizers um so I want to talk about the most famous women indigenous to North America
and that's Pocahontas we'll talk about her and her second husband John Rolfe who was totally complicit in her death
because he took a person to Europe who had never been there and so we know that that's obviously going to kill someone of some disease
so this is a bananas time to be alive she's born into a world that's dramatically
different from the one that she dies in as far as I wanna you to stop being to stop at points to
think about what was she thinking like was she happy like as things are changing and things
are going crazy in her in her world you know what was was she excited what would it have been like for you know a person
sort of watching like this alien civilization come in and try to take over so this is like a time this time
and every time before like now you didn't know about
what was going on in the rest of the world so people uh people you've never seen before could walk into your
neighborhood and be like hello we're here to like where are the Mongols we're here to colonize you we're the Romans
we're the blah blah and you've never seen them before and you don't have any idea how big the world is so
I think that's crazy I think the expectation when if you were alive at that point is that you could
you and anybody you know can die at any point in time by anybody
and you have no idea like to your point how big the world is and who could show up at your doorstep and say now we own
you terrifying okay terrifying just absolutely crazy so just imagine if like
aliens came down today and they started to try to learn our language and that was all happening that's pretty much the
same thing that was happening to Pocahontas so she was born around 1596 and her name
a couple different names that she may have had and oh my God I apologize to the indigenous people of the United
States of America and and everywhere in the world for the way I'm going to pronounce some of these things in this episode but she was born Mayo Toca or
amonute so those may be those names the Pocahontas is sort of her nickname and
it means like playful little fun thing so that's her her like cute nickname she got when she was a kid
her dad was chief powaton of the Powhatan nation which is part of the
Algonquin nation and um all over like they were in Virginia and that part of America and she was born to one of his
many wives so he had several wives and there's not really a lot of information about her mother so she may have died in
childbirth but she was like one of 26 siblings to her dad chief powertop
so 26 siblings yeah but it's different ladies so hopefully they didn't nobody
had like 20 of them or something but that would be rough there's a lot of them but it's kind of like a communal living
kind of thing so she just kind of goes back to the village where her mom was her mom lived and then the dad goes
around to other Villages and has his other families there so like good for him he gets to move around and
the legend is that she was her father's favorite but like I feel like we made that up because of what we how we want
to put her into our history but they said that she was her dad's favorite and it was nice look it was kind of a
war-torn place like they were always trying to conquer other Villages and like expand their areas but it was fine
and um everyone worked all the time but there was a lot of music and the women learned how to build houses and do the
Gathering so women actually had a really like like not a terrible place in the society they had jobs and they were able
to choose who they married and they could get divorced so divorce was like very popular not popular but like common
because they would wouldn't want like no one wants that couple who's fighting all the time living in town you know it
was just like I feel like that was a point to dig at me it was not I'm just
saying that like if you're not having a good time get divorced it's fine so hey man don't kill your spouse this is a big
rule that we're you know a big thing that will come back to you over and over again but so that's all that's all you know
allowed so it's a pretty you know it's a decent life um you know people didn't really wear a lot of clothes it was still pretty like
primitive but they were expanding and all that so all of a sudden these ships start coming in to do reconnaissance so
this is the like imagine the ship coming down from space moment and people come out and kind of look around and then go
back so they know that there's something else out there and there's something else coming um but they don't know much about them
yet and this is happening when she's a little girl so all of a sudden a ship comes and they
stay and the one that stays creates a colony and it's Jamestown so what do you
as far as as a person who grew up in America know about Jamestown
on the spot I I yeah so I'm trying to go back that's the town that Lucy's
character on I Love Lucy is from she's from Jamestown in the show is it really oh my God yeah it really is
she was Lucy McGillicuddy then but I also I also I also one of the first colonies that
were settled in the U.S it's not Roanoke it's not the one it was not the crazy one where people just disappeared
overnight but it was like it was I feel like it's the same time same timeline yeah exactly that's mostly what I know
about it perfect yes so yeah Roanoke was the one where they like disappeared but probably
just went out to get food and became part of the tribes but yeah jamestown's
the same time the same type of people they came from England they started came in 1607 so I remember Pocahontas was
born in 1596 so she's like almost 10 or and um or ten and
they found this land in this area and they were like oh it's a peninsula it can be
protected this is a great place to like build a fort and put up walls and do all these things and the reason that the
powhatans didn't live there is because it was a bad place to live um it could be defended but the land was
terrible there were tons of bugs you couldn't drink the water and it was just a terrible place to to build a town
of course are you saying like how do you spell palaton oh great question because
I had to look up how to pronounce it I'm saying
p-o-w-h-a-t-a-n and the way I wrote it after looking it up is
do you know what that word means in the native language no do you no I'm I'm derailing for no reason the
reason no I'm super there's a tribe in Brazil that's called Powhatan that is a
um it's it's like it's a warrior tribe basically and and I've recently learned
about this and that's why I brought it up because I think is their potential like maybe like some people left the
Americas and went down south or I don't know I just thought maybe they're tangentially related but probably not no they totally could be because it was
so the power towns are part of the Virginia Algonquin now I went to Wikipedia to look at this um but they also there's also like the
name of Pocahontas's dad and the name of the language so it's like a word that's used for a lot of different things so I
think it's possible some survivors relocated elsewhere but I think it's mostly North America I'll
stop derailing okay I mean we could look it up later
and then I don't know nobody knows that we had this conversation I love that no this is
perfect keep it in um so I lost where I was okay so the
colonizers are in Jamestown and it sucks there's no way to get food there's no way to get water people are dying
there's like the rumor is obviously that they resorted to eating each other because they were starving like two-thirds of them died before they got
any help so it's a terrible time to be um a colonizer they're only on this little Peninsula and things are really
bad so they thought that they would be able to offer Goods to the Powhatan for food so
be like oh I have this jacket or whatever and like try to trade it for food but there actually isn't any
extra food because it was a bad time um for them also so it was just like a shitty crappier or whatever and they
didn't really have extra food so they weren't like full on like hunter-gatherers they did
do some growing crops and that sort of thing but they rotated their crops which
is something that like I like to yell about um in other places as well because a lot
of white people came to America and they were like looked at the indigenous people and they were like you guys are
so dumb you could be growing so much more if you just planted all the land ignoring the fact that for thousands of
years these people have been rotating their crops to make sure the land is good so of course that leads to things
like the Dust Bowl and things in like America that what could that all the land that goes to [ __ ] because white
people weren't paying attention to the way people have been doing it for thousands of years so crop rotation is essentially let the land rest let half
the land rest you know plant in the other half and then when that's done let that rest in
plant the other half exactly exactly and so like in Oklahoma when the dust bowl happened what happened had when it
happened was all of the Native grasses that would grow on the land during the rotation time stop growing and that held
land together and then it was just like Dustin's Aunt so they just that's why like it was uninhabitable after a couple
years Taylor again sidetracking here at my old house in La you know how we had
that backyard and there was just like grass that just it was overrun in the backyard and it's like all the way down
I hired someone to mow that grass and I was out of town and my ex sent me a
picture of what they had done when she saw it hours later they'd ripped out all
the grass like there was nothing there but just dirt and I immediately thought of the Dust Bowl and was like holy [ __ ]
the entire side of this hill is gonna go crashing down luckily I didn't but that
was the first explanation when I saw that no totally time will tell of the next Earth quick how that house how that
house goes um yeah exactly you can't rip everything out by the roots and expect it to to be the same stable place
totally um so anyway so there's no just there's not enough food for it for them so
they're not sharing it with the people in Jamestown and um also the people in Jamestown owe
money back to England because they like borrowed money to come to uh to come out to the new world so they're supposed to
be bringing things back to England and they're not because they don't have anything so they're stuck in the road I
wrote now they're stuck in their Fort because they're [ __ ] and they keep leaving and trying to steal things because they can't get anything by trade
or by like normal means um and so they're trying to make a pact and they can't figure it out and things
are super tense because obviously like even though the um colonizers have less
people and they're all super sick they also have like guns and so a little bit more intense military power than the
powhatans have so that's that balance is still not not Fair
um so one thing they did that I think was actually really cool is they sent kids
to each other's like villages to learn the language which totally makes sense because like if you sent me to a
pouching village I'd be like I don't know what to do but you said like a three-year-old who's already learning language to that place they'd
be able to learn it a lot easier right makes sense yeah so the English sent a boy one of the boys his name was
Thomas Savage um and he moved in and learned the language and they they said and one thing I read it said that Pocahontas was
sent um to Jamestown to learn English but and everything else all of a sudden boy I don't know if they really would have
sent her but whatever either way she speaks she learns how to speak English so it starts with the kids
the kids learn how to speak English just like now if someone moves to America usually the kids learn how to speak English like before the parents do
right so who is the person that you would think that Pocahontas was married
to the the um the blonde long-haired dude in that movie yes do you remember his name
it had to be John Smith right it's John Smith yes yeah yes um so John Smith is one of the number of
colonizers and he goes out to in this little group to um find supplies they said he literally
drew the Short Straw and goes out there and everyone in his group gets kills and then they're like about to kill him and
Pocahontas like jumps in front of him and says no don't kill him let's be peaceful and nice
um which is probably not true and she was 10 and when this happened
and John Smith then later writes a book and says she
jumped in front of them and she wouldn't let them kill me and then we totally fell in love and you're like uh you know
she's ten and then later he's like oh no no she was 13. which is still gross and
it's that much better no but neither of those things happened like they did not fall in love at any point and like who
knows if she actually really saved him but he does survive and um now like he's like talked about her
and he romanticizes his relationship with her his whole life like not like sexually romanticizes them the whole
time but is very much like this is like showing people that like the Savages are have humanity and blah blah he like
talks about her a lot and really exploits their relationship to what benefit
to like say to like sell books honestly for him to go back and like sell books about his time in in the colonies okay
Common Thread between our story is number two I'll point that out to you later oh my God I'm excited
um John Smith then she starts
so she's actually is growing up she does become like a teenager um and in this time you can actually
picture her a lot like the movie like the clothes that a young woman would wear like I mean like the cartoon the
young woman would wear is like that one shoulder dress I don't know if you remember and she started to get tattoos and like that kind of thing she's
starting to kind of grow up and then for a couple years um she's kind of off the map um but I feel like do you did you watch
the cartoon I feel like I should have prepped you and had you watched this cartoon before we started I haven't seen it in so many years that
I might as well have not seen it by this point okay so there's a whole of her song in the um
in the cartoon where she's talking about her dad wants her to marry this guy and she doesn't know if she wants to marry
him blah blah blah and his name is cocoum and I think this is the biggest shocker to
me in this whole freaking story is that she really was married to kokom which is
it like what I don't even have words because I wrote down is like that plot
point in the movie is very very stressful and it was for me I'm imagining for like 70 to 80 of kids who
watch the movie because cocoum is like in volcano's cartoon he is the first
person that I ever saw with chest tattoos and I was like yes you should marry him what what are
you talking about you know he was like like imagine like if they did a live version of
um this movie Cocoon would be Jason Momoa and there would be a global emergency because everyone who watched
the movie would get pregnant because I'm watching the movie that is sarcastic that would be really sarcastic I like
that so that's that's what coconut is I think in the Zeitgeist of like young people who watched Pocahontas at of a
certain age um but she did marry him and all evidence is that they were in love like they chose she got to marry he was like
in he was like in the military but not necessarily like the um you know the
best warrior or anything it just seems that she likes him um and they get married they may have had a daughter um but
we don't really know and then he kind of disappears out of her story so they could have kind of divorced which is
totally fine or he may have died either way they don't get they're not married forever but they are married when she's
like a young woman and he's like a young man so she does have the first marriage the
way you describe him he does seem like a risk taker like he would have a Harley and also not wear a helmet you know yeah
it was it was probably a bore I don't know why I just he like got gored by a wild boar that feels plausible for that
time no I definitely think that may be true like he died in like a big hunting trip or doing something like super hot
and heroic yeah we're gonna lose Jason Momoa
exactly exactly um so she's you know kind of looking at
her life she's married she's hanging out there's still kind of this tense thing that obviously the Jamestown people are still there
um and they really really want to make uh make more trade and you know kind of do more stuff with the powhatans so
um one of her jerk friends says oh there's a new boat at the shore we have to go see it and she's like I don't want
to go and they're like you have to come with us and they go and then like her friend is like oh I really want to go on board come with me man and so she goes
and they eat like dinner and then Pocahontas is like something's weird and of course something's weird her friend sold her out and she gets kidnapped
so she's kidnapped onto this boat they lock her in a room and are trying to like get Ransom from her dad and she's
out there for a full year she's kidnapped by the um by the white people
she's in Jamestown in like a town next to it and now there's like a full-on war her dad kind of concedes but like not
really so there's like a whole bunch of stuff going on it's not great um so this is like worst case for
Jamestown because they're not going to have any help from the natives they're not getting um any resources and um they're trying
to like really instigating things by having Pocahontas so she's there for a year and guess what
they try to do to her while she's there I mean I can imagine it's not like a
physical thing a mental thing they make her a goddess no they convert her to Christianity of course so stupid
I mean come on obviously of course that's the first thing you do of course so like
of course what they want to do is save the heathens and they want to [ __ ] save Pocahontas from you know her
beautiful life and they they convert her to Christianity and guess and they not
guess what they name her you're never gonna guess but they name her Rebecca I know and I know Rebecca who I like a
lot um I know there are Rebecca's it's a beautiful name but like come on hurry and Pocahontas she's like this like
amazing like trailblazing woman in your name for Rebecca and meet her and baptized her
basic basic [ __ ] so basic so now her name's Rebecca and
um this is where she meets her second husband John Rolfe and this is where there are red flags that I will point
out for you for this marriage so she's 17 which is like old hat by now but she's already like had a baby and been
married probably had a baby he's 27. I feel like that's maybe okay in this time
occasionally not okay she had to convert first to Christianity um and then he like wrote like a letter
to the governor of um the area that was like I need permission to marry this Heathen I'm so torn because she's like
super hot but also she's a heathen essentially if you dude
I mean yeah I agreement which they happened and maybe that was like you had to do that
yeah that's fair that you didn't have a choice I mean I'd probably not call my wife
but he then although maybe he didn't have had a different connotation back then than it does now it doesn't okay
then that's a bad thing to call your wife but so he's like it's a second marriage as well he's a widower and he's
just he's a tobacco farmer he has a plantation he may have stolen tobacco seeds from the Spanish and brought them
to Virginia so to get like the good tobacco In America which obviously like starts a whole a whole thing
um and they're married on April 5th 1614 and they have a son in January the next
year um and then did you see this thing on the news this week about how Edward Norton is a direct descendant of hers
wait I thought it was something out oh yeah you're right you answered right to send it up that's crazy yeah and that's
from the Sun that she had so his name is Thomas Rolfe and so from Thomas we get Edward Norton which is fun
um and so now Pocahontas is living on a goddamn tobacco Plantation with other indigenous people essentially like
working the land for them um but by all accounts she's happy she's just like this like Christian woman on
this Plantation like living in a house named Rebecca um and this is this time is called the piece of Pocahontas it's nine years a
piece between the white people and the indigenous people so this is a power I'm like I don't know
is she happy like could she be happy is she like oh yeah what is Pocahontas what does her
status have to do with there being this piece because she's like the favorite
daughter of the chief and she's been someone who's gone like back and forth and like met a lot of the people on the
in like in Jamestown she can communicate really well and I think also that she was converted to Christianity as a big
part of it too because then she's like you know showing that they can be saved and all these things and then they're
like we don't want to ruffle any feathers whether that was I didn't mean that that was not a pun but they didn't
want to like um you know do anything weird where she would get like killed so it was just like a
10th piece but a piece um and then at the end of this time the king of England wants to see her and
wants to meet her and asks her and John to come to England so they go they take their son and they go to um to England
to London they go to parties and balls in the concerts and they meet the king
and all this stuff and so she's really just like there this is where we get like the one engraving of her and in
this engraving and I'll put it on our socials but she you know is wearing like Colonial Garb like the
whole thing and you know you know looks like a you know like a colonial person it's wild and the other crazy thing that
happens while she's there she meets John Smith again and she thought he was dead just like assumed he
was dead because it had been like I don't know 10 or 10 years since she'd met him and he's there and there's a
whole bunch of different accounts on what happens but [ __ ] John Smith he writes that
she was yelling at him as like a spurned lover would yell at someone you know like blah blah other people are like she
was yelling at him because he's a piece of [ __ ] and she was saying you Englishmen lie to him like over and over
again when she was yelling at him but he's like oh yeah she's just like jealous she still loves me blah blah because he's a jerk and
um another thing that people say is that she also may have tried to call him father because he had that like she saw
him as an older person and he was upset about that because he told everybody that they were dating
I'm kind of with John on this one and she couldn't shouldn't have called him father no then she probably was
still into him because like she wasn't there at him why would you care so much
like if I went into someone that I dated like five years ago I'm not gonna be I don't care what you
do or well why would I why would I have emotional attachment to that person unless I actually was still into them no
they did not date she was 10 when they met and he was a grown man they did not date he started she could have been 13.
fine he he told everybody that they dated and they did not and then he was
using that to like excuse that she was yelling at him but I feel like she was if anything I would hope that she was
yelling at him and being like look what you did you little jerk you know my people
um but who knows we have no first-hand accounts from her and what her life was like but her life was so short so you
know she moved to a suburb of London and it's gross London is gross like
London is like a there's no again Sticky no running water like there's no air
like there's one account where she's like in a carriage and she's like holding a handkerchief over her face
because she can like barely breathe because she's used to being in these beautiful
forests with fresh air and fresh water and all these things and now she's in freaking London where it's disgusting
and so she's just like not having a good time and she finally gets to go
um gets to go home and they get on a boat she's 21 years old and they don't even leave like the area she dies before
they even get to leave um she dies of the disease on the boat it could be anything like you know
smallpox any like diphtheria any of those terrible diseases that you get when you're a person who hasn't been
exposed to them so she got a disease or anyone really because they're like everywhere she had a disease to take her body back to England and she's buried in
England um they said her last words were all must die but tis enough that my child
liveth so her son Thomas stayed in England came back to America in 1635
tried to find his Powhatan family and he was like a little bit successful possibly but then he you know he moved
back and John Rolfe got married again and and had another another you know chapter of his own life with his like
third wife and all of that but Pocahontas sheep at 10 years old she you know allegedly
saves John Smith's life and 11 years later she's dead on an abode in England um being like converted and having all
this crazy stuff happened to her I'm a bit conflicted is this a sad life or
not I don't know and that's like the question that I want to talk about like
I am sad about it because I feel like that is
but she was like taking advantage of because she was like kidnapped you know and like had to marry this guy John because he like said he loved her and
like who knows if they really loved each other because I don't know what she was thinking and I have no evidence of what she was thinking so maybe I'm an [ __ ]
and she was super excited and was like this is exciting I'm an Explorer like I'm out here like doing these things
that like only Chiefs do because I'm talking with translating and talking to Governors and doing all these things and
I'm learning and I get to go across the ocean to these lands that we didn't know existed so like in one case maybe she's
excited you know but in another case maybe she's just like really taken advantage of and exploited as being the
like an example of a person that they were able to convert to you know their ways and
um this like romanticized figure obviously because we talk about her all the time as like someone who you know
bridge that gap between the two vastly different cultures um but I don't know did she want you how
did she feel I have no idea I wish she would have lived longer to tell us you know I think that's the real tragedy for
me is that we don't have anything from her we just have like the what people say about her and they needed to have
this like beautiful story to have it make sense I get a little bit of Patty Hearst vibes
[Music] no that totally makes sense like some Stockholm syndrome like oh yeah I'm like
now I'm on these on this guy's side and all of that because she had to like live with them and you know
convert to to all the things that they were doing so she probably was like yeah I know I totally
I don't know maybe this is maybe he thinks this is better like this is better for the world that you're hearing doing this yeah yeah interesting yeah
you know the parallel universe parallel timeline is she's not kidnapped for nine years and she is allowed to what are
what a seminal moment though that her friend asked her to go check out this ship that's crazy that's what it all
happened like that is such a great example of a fork in a road that can actually derail
your path right and for all by all accounts she didn't want to go she was like Ugh I don't want to go with her
friend was like please come with me like I need you to translate I really am excited and her friend sold her out and
and got her kidnapped to you know that started a lot of things so yeah I know
she definitely didn't want to do that like that's documented so maybe she didn't want to do any of it you know
divorced but maybe they got divorced and they're still friends and they can just hang out I mean they could have
remarried they could have been married maybe she's someone who gets married four times but three times as I missed a Pokemon
a lot of multiple marriages on our stories we know very little about him but I'm definitely pro-cocum yeah no
totally okay let's and now I see why the non-alcoholic
drink is just standing outside and having the wind hit you yeah when I picture Pocahontas I
rightly or wrongly picture the Disney cartoon of her just standing on a rock
with wind blowing her hair back leaves are like around her head yes that's what
that's what we're thinking when we're outside just kind of breathing in the world and the last time that the world felt maybe
safe for a 13 10 year old possibly girl yeah wow awesome very cool story Taylor
thank you for sharing that was um I'm laughing because I'm like one thing I was like we need more banter and also
like that was not very funny I feel like I mean in it
it was just a tragic story but it's just it's just interesting and and
um yeah it's crazy yeah
so um [Music]
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