We’re going back to India for the horrible, horrible story of the Nithari serial murders - Young girls and sex workers went missing in Delhi in 2006, their bodies found tossed into the sewer like garbage. It’s horrible. Businessman Moninder Singh and his servant Surinder Koli were charged with the murders and sentenced to death. It’s both very clear who did it and a mystery. Photos via the India Times & DNA India - they are haunting. (I’m not doing any AI for this - it’s just not something that makes sense!) Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/doomedtofailpod/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/doomedtofailpod Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@doomedtofailpod TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@doomed.to.fail.pod Email: doomedtofailpod@gmail.com
We’re going back to India for the horrible, horrible story of the Nithari serial murders - Young girls and sex workers went missing in Delhi in 2006, their bodies found tossed into the sewer like garbage. It’s horrible. Businessman Moninder Singh and his servant Surinder Koli were charged with the murders and sentenced to death. It’s both very clear who did it and a mystery.
Photos via the India Times & DNA India - they are haunting. (I’m not doing any AI for this - it’s just not something that makes sense!)
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happy Wednesday happy Wednesday I am currently still drinking my dirty chai
latte because I wanted extra dirty so I just left it outside without being in a
container until it got moldy and now I'm drinking that so exciting time yeah I hate that for you
well we covered William the Conqueror last week uh this week and today we're
going to go over to the True Crime side of the equation in our Doom to fail relationship and like I mentioned last
week we are going to India so it's gonna be exciting excited yeah
when you say last week you mean two days ago I feel like you need a calendar or something to help you understand space and time
is it your birthday soon maybe I'll think about that for your birthday maybe a wall calendar is it today when's your
birthday yeah Taylor in two weeks I turned 39 years old it's okay I'm forty one dollars older
than you oh my God don't try to out crisis me I'm older than you I know but your life is put together
you're like married you have kids you're a mom you have activities you do that's true like me it's like 39 and still like
a 25 year old so that's not good you'll be fine hopefully but yes two weeks what day is
it your birthday August 27th okay remember I have a wall calendar I'm gonna write that on my wall calendar
Regina's birthday okay uh so we've already covered India sort
of we're kind of going back to the same spot that we were at last time which was the Taj Mahal which you covered cool
cool in our famous episode Barry your wife your dead wife in a Taj Mahal and not a blue Barrel also wait I'll try
something else in the past a couple weeks I've been in Upstate New York and I've been in Big Bear and in
both those places a ton of people have front yard Wells and since you told me that story of that lady who buried her husband in the front yard well I always
think there's a dead person in that mm-hmm
so like I said today we'll cross the pond over to India and I'm gonna cover a
story that I heard about years and years ago and remember thinking it was absolutely insane and that it wasn't
popular like it was a it was a crazy story that nobody seems to know about nobody's heard it was basically the
Indian version of like Jeffrey Dahmer except probably wait not ex probably
like actually worse because the victim count was higher and the victim type was
more vulnerable than the victim type in Jeffrey Dahmer what yeah but which was
like which made me think like oh it's kind of while this wasn't covered and so I started looking into it I started researching I was like oh I totally
understand why we don't cover like other cultures because the translation is hard
to totally understand and this was a pain in the ass researching this thing and trust me there's a lot of constant
on it if you understand Bengali but like if you don't then in your meat then you're gonna have a hard time trying to
figure out stuff out but the bigger part of it is that some of these Dynamics in
the different cultural dynamics that are involved make it hard to comprehend how things like this could happen
so I broke this story down in a very different way that it's broken down anywhere else because I think that it's
important to understand like the how part of this happening because it kind of sets up the chronology of events so
going into the how part I'm going to start with the caste system of India so
yep okay like I keep saying ever since I mean I travel abroad enough to feel like
I can speak with some Authority on this everyone who thinks that America is like the worst most racist place on earth like clearly needs to like leave the
country actually like go be a minority see how they actually treat others because yeah as bad as it is here
guarantee you it could be a lot worse and living in India is up there
so so generally speaking when you are like a minority in a country like the sense
of being other otherwise is pretty obvious like you feel like you probably shouldn't speak up you feel like you're
probably like a little bit subjugated to think you know like you just feel like you're saying class citizen like you probably shouldn't be yourself all the
time and all that good stuff horrible stuff but in India that is like
culturally religiously and legally practiced Behavior with with the caste
system so breaking that system down a little bit so there's two components that are worth
pointing out here and again there's a point to this I'm not just rambling off for the sake of rambling on like there's a re this all explains how the clients
I'm about to discuss ended up happening so first off the cast system in India is very very old and it's very very
complicated like I realized partially why I wanted to push back our start time we're doing this episode
was because I was going down this crazy Rabbit Hole of like the cassism in India and like
realized I was like I haven't even written the outline of the crimes themselves because you go right it can take forever to figure this [ __ ] out so
if you're really knowledgeable about this stuff so forgive me for doing broad brush Strokes here but I'm focusing on
two pieces of it one is called Varna which means the type of categories that
the casts and breaks down into and there are four official breakdowns of this cast one is the brahmins those are kind
of top of the line that's the cash that you really want to be in those are like the priests they're spiritual leaders and things like that the second rung
down from that is going to be the and I'm going to butcher this who are the rulers Warriors and of that
kind of ruling class then you have the vicious who are the artists Farmers and
Merchants then you had the shudras who are basically manual labor folks then
there's a fifth class that's actually not a formalized class within Varna
which is called and these are the people that are commonly known as Untouchables
so these are the folks that do the stuff that nobody wants to do they're
gravediggers they're like you know they it's not it's self-explanatory I need to go into more detail but that's the
category of people that we're discussing today it's going to be the dollars and that's the explanation of why this ended up happening the second overarching
theme of the caste system worth covering is the concept of jati which translates to directly for enlisted Hindu to birth
and jati is more of a loose social hierarchy that isn't defined in terms of where people fall in the caste system by
virtue of their birth so being a Indian warrior in 500 A.D obviously put you in
the higher cast but like no that's not really a joke it's not like a nobody's doing that so they had like right and
re-categorize things and jati was a way of doing that so now there's like thousands and thousands of substrata of
casts that are again very Loosely defined that people could fall into but
the key factor of Varna is the jati part of it which is like you it is
defined by birth it is an immutable characteristic right you can't you can't work your way out of it exactly exactly
and look now I've read a lot of stuff this stuff is like kind of controversial people
like Indian Scholars want to pretend like it's not really a thing and like
we're not that tribal and that like Old World about it but the way I saw it like the comparison I made was like look and
like from time immemorial people were somewhat aware that cops were killing
minorities but you just don't want to have a microscope on it right like people don't want to look at that and say that is
actually our culture but it is our culture and now we can put a figure on it and try and diagnose it and that's
what I think my reading of the cast in India was also that was like we don't want to believe this is real but it is
real sorry it is what it is so let's get into again if you read about
the story it will never be broken down this way but I had no way of breaking this down in a way that wasn't super [ __ ] confusing except for the way
that I'm doing it right now so the other considerations here are the main characters of the story and I'm
going to start with the main character of where this took place okay so the events of the story take place in
Ura Pradesh which is a state in India I'm gonna call it up some cool like that
up is home to the Taj Mahal and I'm gonna briefly bring up a statistic again
that'll help further explain this story so up falls behind the rest of India on
two very important statistics one is the sex ratio which is dramatically lower for females than it
is to males so there's a lot more men than there are women and this again this is like research like I'm not being a
[ __ ] here the reason for this is people just don't want girls
and and because of that the female infanticide in sex selective abortions
are higher in up than other parts of the country although it's high higher in the
country anyways outside like other countries so there's that piece of it and also up has the highest number of
people living under the poverty line of any other state in the country so a lot of poor people a lot of Untouchables a
lot of like really like casual feelings about like little girls dying basically
yeah kind of summarizing like that so the city uh so the city where this
ends up taking place is really close to Delhi it's about 60 miles from Delhi so it's a pretty popular settling spot for
migrants who are just looking for work migrants are of the cast that are considered Untouchable in India they'll
be one of them so yeah okay character number two I'm counting the town as a character because yeah
there's so much [ __ ] going on with it too this guy's name is cylinder Coley so
the details of Slender's life were crazy hard to find and piece together and you'll understand why as I describe the
little tidbits of information that I was able to lean in from his life he was born in a tiny village of 60 people in
the Foothills the Himalayan Mountains we have no clue what his birth date is but surprise surprise spoiler work alert he
gets arrested and when he gets arrested you look at the pictures of him if you're trying age him you'd probably guess he was probably born sometime in
the 1970s maybe late 1960s right that's all really now he was born to tribal
people and again he was of the classification known as Untouchables the dullet and he worked with his father as
an apprentice butcher and initially you think butcher that's not that bad of a job like I would love
to be a butcher like that sounds like a great job that was that was not my first thought
my head went says a lot more about me than anybody else but okay I mean it's a
good job for sure my first thought isn't oh I'd love to people sure but I mean it's it's just not a horribly horrible
like you're not like you know digging Graves for a living it's one of those better things here's here's why
it's here's why it's bad though in this context most of India is vegetarian
that's what I was thinking too because you definitely can't eat cows yeah so most of India's vegetarian including
solandar his family and his village so like you're doing the thing that you hate the most in this world which is
like just sawing up skulls and it's just not good that's weird yeah
when cylinder was 13 he left with his brother-in-law which I have no idea how
that conversation came about um but somehow it was him and his brother-in-law brother-in-law he was 13
years old and they moved to Delhi to try and find work okay and again guys some
other context he's 13 years old he was born in the village of 60 people and
he's going to Delhi which like if you see pictures of Delhi like it looks like New York City like it is like a huge
bustling town like it's like it's not like it is the exact opposite about 60 person Village
so given his background with Butchery I guess that made him somewhat qualified to be a cook for Rich families you would
do that you would do like manual labor jobs and so on and so forth he's again he's just an Untouchable he's doing
Untouchable shed whatever you want to call that um so this in in this piece I threw it in
because like again there's like not many facts about his life but it's just worth knowing like what kind of life he was living he ended up getting married at 30
to a woman from his village and he would literally go back like once or twice a year to see her like that's it like her
job was like till the land take care of the land while he goes and does menial labor tests and sends money back so
horrible life horrible like shitty shitty life and I could never fathom living
eventually he would work as a servant for our next main character this guy's name is munindar pandhar
nailed it nailed it again I can find very little
and I'll explain why I can find very a little about this stuff in it here in a moment but I could find very little about this guy in his background he's
only described as a successful businessman or a well-educated and industrialist like that's basically what
it is it's like that old thing I used to tell you Taylor how I'm like I'm like I have a I have a filing cabinet so I'm a
successful businessman like it was like one of those things exactly above case like but they're not being ironic
right here they are actually referring to the successful businessman um he was older obviously like like
again like if I was trying to date him based on his um arap's photos I would say like in early 2000s he was probably
in his like late 50s early 60s and he lived in a part of this city that looked
like the house was kind of like a three-story compound if you look at pictures like again like I'm not trying
to like be a [ __ ] about this like you think about like a rich cool like a rich guy living in the city at a cool
place this is not what you picture like this is like plopped down in the center of one of the most populous parts of the
entire world there's just people everywhere there's [ __ ] everywhere like it it looks like hell on Earth but like
apparently this guy was living large so if you want to look up images of him he seems to be doing it right
the important part about it is this three-story house that is like a compound first of all it's like
completely gated off on all sides and it backs up to a drainage ditch that runs through the entire District wow
so in 2004 monendor hired cylindar to be his house servant
so first I want to highlight the dim the film part again looking at cylindar as an uneducated
Untouchable from a tiny village living in a giant popular populist town and then monendar as a rich older
businessman who's like again we don't know where he stands in the cast system because people don't like to talk about
it but obviously he was high up like he wasn't he wasn't a nobody
so we have this power Dynamic that is very desperate and by all accounts people who met cylinder were like
yeah yeah it's s-o-l-i
-n-d-a-r and then his last name is k-o-l-i -coli
and you look at pictures of him and you're like this he just looks like a [ __ ] idiot he looks like a nobody he looks like nothing right like he just
took a stupid little farm kid like that was a general sentiment in town about
him but they also looked at him as like an Untouchable so they probably treated him like [ __ ] too
so anyways we have this huge power dynamic between him and monendar and I don't have an opinion I'm just
saying right now at the very end I'm gonna throw ideas out there and then you can throw your opinions at me but like I don't have an opinion right now I'm
saying this is the fact that I see them so let's go through what happened and then we can kind of dissect all that so
providing a chronology chronological timeline of the events is hard what we know is that children in the
area would go missing the children were usually girls the children and their parents belonged to the Untouchable cast
the parents would report this to police who didn't do anything because all the reasons I just named above they were
girls that were Untouchable so who cares and because of this there's like literally no documentation around like
what I was trying to do because the death Count's huge we'll talk about the death count and it all happened in a
very short period of time I was like I was trying to do a kind of like this shot reported missing on this day on this date this date this day and then
all of a sudden this happened you can't find it because nothing was written down so parents would report this to police and they wouldn't do anything about it
right but we all we really know is that in December of 2006 two parents whose
kids have gone missing went to the police and told them that we know where the bodies of some kids kids are who have gone missing their assumption was
that the bodies of some people must be in this water tower I don't know how they reach that conclusion vehicles are
sketchy there all we know is that those parents have also loved missing children so this water tower was right next to
monendar's house the police ignored this and so the two
groups of parents went up to the water tank and somehow ended up finding three decomposing bodies in this tank does it
remind you anything yes it reminds me of what's her name Elisa Elisa Lambert yeah
so by this point these families had basically learned that the police don't care about them or their kids and even
worse they thought that they were probably getting paid off to intentionally not investigate this so they did the only logical thing they
could they they called the guy named Satish Mishra who was the former president of an association in India
that looks after the well-being of residence and situations where the government isn't doing it and this guy
was like a this guy was up there like he had the power the weights like I I
forgot I've read a lot about it he ended up becoming like an MP he he was a big deal and so people paid attention when
he he didn't give a [ __ ] if a maid is complaining about a dead kid but then this guy shows up and he's like this big
shot and now it's like oh we got to pay attention now well that's good so what's this guy yeah yeah I mean it
would be better if it happens they just cared about them but yeah yeah so by this point all we know is there's
three bodies right next to this guy's house a very cursory examination into the
drains behind menendar's house would uncover garbage bags containing more body parts
in total 19 bodies were found so the theory is there is basically I mean if
we found third 19 there's got to be more than that and the police estimate was
there's probably 31 bodies in total but they don't know they don't know for sure 19 is what they settled on
there was only one adult victim a call girl named paell and at least 11 female children and
possibly seven boys they think there was probably more girls than than 11 so that's we're just making assessments
here based on autopsies wow the one adult victim paell was the
reason why cylinder and manindar were initially arrested again details are kind of sketchy for for how this came
about but it was basically people saying that the last place they saw pail enter alive was one in dar's house
so the police arrested them in connection with her disappearance and during interrogation malindar confessed
to her murder so this is when a large-scale search of
monendar's Home starts happening and that's when they start finding more bodies in the front yard bodies in the
backyard and they're like this all has to be connected like there's bodies in the drainage Traditions Bodies In The
Water Tower there's bodies in the ground somehow they piece it together these guys were probably involved right I
don't have that get there I don't know yeah I don't know it's so crazy it's a misplaced this this femur bone
it's it's worth noting that by now the entire country was kind of aware of what was going on
for nearly think about this so for nearly two years children were being reported missing all
of whom lived in the same neighborhood at least 18 that we know of and the police did nothing not even document
this so the federal agencies in the country came down like oh we got to think of this investigation I mean that
I just also just want to point out that happens constantly in America as well okay there is a concept of the less dead
here which like is like basically prostitutes more or less is that true success no yeah sex
workers and uh indigenous people you know like there's a whole big
thing especially in Canada where like did you know so mango missing constantly and then they don't do anything
um for them so there's a whole bunch of yeah yeah so we we kind of have like
almost like an intrinsic Cash System but I feel like if you were to report stuff
to the police they would at least look into it in some cases it's it's not perfect it's
not perfect yeah so the federal investigation into this crime started happening and it kind
of sounded like something out of the 1800s so they used truth serum for example whoa yeah they made these guys
draw pictures for psychologists which is like I'll get to that here in a moment they use brain damping which looks at
the shape of the brain and like it's attachment to the spinal column to assess someone's mental state like it
was like that could be true it sounds like Eugenics right yeah
basically that's kind of what it was well so brain mapping is is actually a legitimate science but like not the way
they were using it got it because because again brain mapping they'll tell you like your frontal cortex like that's where your
inhibitions are you know like there's a science behind it but not like this like this was trying to get like
motivation it's like that's all neural synapses like there's the shape of his brain didn't determine like whether you're gonna kill these kids or not
right ultimately cylinder confessed and he
says that he had committed all these crimes on his own and what he would do is he'd bring these
kids to the house you would strangle them rape them cut them into pieces in his private bathroom sometimes eat the
flesh but otherwise just dismember and throw the corpses away or bury them that was cylinder's confession
Christ he absolved manindar completely which at that time the investigative
body called CBI which I didn't write down so I don't remember what it stands for they believed him they're like yup
moms are going to do this slendar says he did it must be him who did it to me I was like there's probably some
layer of corruption here like given everything else we just discussed and like you can't if someone I lived with
was doing this you would know well we're going to discuss that that's there's a
whole bullet point section here that we're gonna get to in a minute so at trial they were both found guilty and
given a death sentence several months later a high court overturned melendor's guilty verdict and
fully acquitted him of the murder so in India in this case I mean I guess same case here but it's like a separate 12
for each murderer so like you can get a death sentence for one you get life for the other so on and so forth so in this case they were trying for one manindar
had his um conviction over tourney was fully acquitted so that's where that's where we're at now and at the same time
uh cylindar is still on death row Wayne V sentence until September 2017. at that time
cylinder's death sentence was commuted to life in prison but then both he and monendor were tried
for another burger and they were against sentence to death and yeah that's kind of where things are
right now they keep appealing they keep racking up more death sentences and they
are probably going to keep writing on More Death sentences it's interesting though that cylinder as of like I think it was 2018 2019 has come out and said
no I was just saying that he wasn't involved he was totally involved in all this so he's reversed his position on
this and for the families eight of the parents whose kids were reported missing and
killed they were given the equivalent by the government of 14 465 dollars
and that's that was kind of a score because the other families only got two thousand four hundred and ten dollars oh
God yeah so since the trial again he came out and
started talking about how mother was he was a patsy this other guy was involved and here are some details this is a
bullet point section where I was like I don't know we can discuss this because I don't know how I feel about it here's the bullet points first off
modern door was away a lot of the time so he had a family and he had homes in other parts of India and he would travel
both there and Elsewhere for work regularly leading cylinder at home alone there were no other servants it was
literally just him living at the house alone for long stretches of time so to your earlier point of somebody noticing
it maybe not I don't know the other thing is monendar this was his
party house so he was super into drugs prostitutes loud music late night parties and that's where he would use
his house for so there's always like women coming in and out of the house and all kinds of
shenanigans going on it was insinuated that cylindar given the cast that he was
in couldn't really participate in like the fun parts of this you know and so he
would see monitor doing all these things and having all these women over and he couldn't do it and so part of the assessment was maybe he was just praying
on kids because that's like the only Outlet he could have as his cast essentially
people in the area like I also mentioned this before so people in the area also kind of intubated that sondor was kind
of an idiot and couldn't really do this on his own but then you look at the fact that like the police just weren't doing
anything anyways like could it be you could have gone around yeah I mean the only the only thing that
makes me where I feel like you couldn't do it on your own is all the cleanup
even though I know he was just like dumping them out in the yard or whatever but I just feel like there'd be like remnants of stuff
yeah yeah well they the so one thing that this this is incredible look at
complete Out Sports they were talking about how like he would take the heads and just like basically just throw them but he had a balcony you just throw them
over the balcony into the drainage ditch like it was just willy-nilly like just out in the open yeah
definitely not very smart not very smart not at all and there's a documentary on
the BBC I watched called Slumdog Cannibal and I know I don't know if
that's racially insensitive or not but whatever that's what it's called it's like it's just insensitive yeah
I'm yeah for everyone yeah I didn't create it so don't come at
me don't commitment bro and one of the psychologists who actually ended up doing an interview and examined cylindar
and monendor asked them to each raw a picture of a person and she seemed to think it was like pretty
damning evidence that when she asked Sullen door to draw it he drew like a female child
and then when she she asked londondar to draw a person he drew like an adult
woman and so she was like it's weird that he drew a little girl
like you know we we found traditionally saying like this was in his head it's imprinted in his brain
like that's what he wants to identify with and he so he probably did it on his own basically that was a gist of it
so uh that's where we are right now so these guys are both currently incarcerated and we're waiting More
Death sentences India does this pretty quick though so I know I'm surprised that it's taken this long because I
they usually just like Get over with yeah so he was supposed to originally be executed in 2012. the trial ended on the
first round of charges in 2000 like late 2009 is when those that trial ended and
then 2012 September was when he was supposed to be executed they just have
an appeal process like the thing with India is like again because they're Hindu like death is like a pretty
bad thing you know like it's like they're they're not as death happy as we
are here in the US and so killing someone is like a much bigger deal than it is here and so
um that's why they think you know it's going to keep getting unfield essentially realistically it's probably just gonna have it committed to life in
Senate life in prison but that's where they currently are wow yeah and and it's worth watching
that Slumdog cannibal documentary because uh it's on YouTube by the BBC because
you get a sense of how grotesque and violent these murders were like there
was so much talk about eating these kids in a valley you were just over the top like that's why I said it's basically
Indian Jeffrey Dahmer except on a much broader scale if I'm not mistaken Donald killed 12 right
I don't remember but I think I feel like you would know yeah I think it was 12. at this pace they were at 19 and the
Aspen is like there's probably a lot more than that it's like more grotesque but the problem is you can't go into the
details like the guy's born in the Himalayan Mountains like you can't analyze his childhood you
can't analyze like that's the fun of this true crime stuff is like how did you become this monster in this case I
think that's why stories like this don't catch I was like hey you gotta totally understand what the cultural Dynamics
are and then B there's no records of anything yeah so how would you even dig into it
that's true I couldn't even figure out what modern door did to make money they called him
an industrialist like that's it like yeah what does that mean literally my joke about having a file encounter
that's how they describe this guy like that reminds me that's like in uh so how
to succeed in business with Michael J fox where they're just like I have the files but I'll say it's like we have the files we're like okay I have a files in
my briefcase like okay what does that mean all right so buy sell this is like yeah exactly
so that's my story for today um just uh you know like if you live
somewhere where the cops don't pay attention to the less dead you know no find someone they do care about like uh
future MP yeah God that's so sad those poor
babies and the parents because like yeah because like there like it was common
like you know it felt very like old-timey where like
you uh husband and a wife end up having like six kids because they have to start working on the family business like immediately otherwise we all start with
that you know you think like oh they can't possibly care about their kids the way we care about our kids when you look
at them like when they're like showing them talking about this and you're like no like yeah they're good workers but
also they're their children like yeah yeah as far as they still love their
children yes no I feel like that's you can be kind of casual about all like kids that died in infancy in in the past
or in these places but no I'm sure it's terrible yeah for any child's losing a
child anytime um well that's incredibly sad yeah yeah bad people are everywhere and
no clue if these guys are actually engaged together but I do think it's a doom to fail relationship if you are
incredibly poor uneducated and a complete outcast in society in a very rich successful businessman tells you
come live with me and just Slaughter these little children for me just don't do it just don't
I know I'm going back and forth so now I'm like well you're right yeah how would he
like know how to do a bunch of this stuff but also he was a pusher like you said exactly exactly I don't know so
maybe he always wanted to do this but like why would he do it like what was the instigating thing I mean the most do it
once or twice get out of your system and then move on with your life like you don't have to do it 19 times and really quickly too right it wasn't
like 19 times over 30 years no it was like it was like not even two years yeah
it's crazy it's crazy yeah he was bad he was a bad dude so yeah uh well they're
both bad they're both no matter what presumably no matter what yeah deal allegedly I agree with myself yeah wow
it's a lot so yeah that was an uplifting story and then I think next week is going to be
um uh an equally heartwarming story that y'all are very much hopefully accustomed to our usual I appreciate that is to
leave feeling warm and fuzzy there you go there you go so that's our stories for today Taylor
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cool all right thanks Taylor I'm gonna go ahead and cut it off
thank you