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This week Farz tells the true crime story of the kidnapping of Colleen Stan, by the unfortunately named Hookers. It’s a survival story, but not before several long years kept in unimaginable horror. As always, it’s not uplifting.
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Hi Friends! Our transcripts aren't perfect, but I wanted to make sure you had something - if you'd like an edited transcript, I'd be happy to prioritize one for you - please email doomedtofailpod@gmail.com - Thanks! - Taylor
I'm here you are barely here I'm like I'm physically here great great
not in the same room but physically okay um let's let's go ahead and kick things
off and do a human human trekking real quick so welcome to Doom to fail I'm farce this is Taylor
we are going to be doing a story on True Crime and history issues that are doomed
to fail and we are having a day and the Western Seaboard is having a day indeed
and I am about to have a horrible horrible day as I fly into Los Angeles
prior to I don't think you're coming I just it's it's hurricane Hillary time and it's not
raining here yet I can see some clouds um yesterday it rained a little bit we had tons of like really weird creepy
lighting but it's supposed to rain all day tomorrow like more rain than we get in a year
so Taylor like I've talked to a few so I was talking to whiz Joe wozniski because
I was making plans to see him while I was in LA and it feels like people in La
think that this is like a nothing situation is that like the sentiment there or what's the deal well I don't
know because you know what I was in our old neighborhood on Thursday I took the kids to desano's Pizza which is so good
and we drove up Vermont and went to our old apartment um and a bunch of stuff was closed like that that Library Bar is closed and the
sports bar next to it is closed and like a couple things have been closed since since I've been there last but
Atrium the restaurant on Vermont that I know that you and I've been to that's super good
um they're closed tomorrow I like follow their Instagrams I think some people are like closing things down
um just in case I mean I think here in Joshua Tree it we don't get a floods
because I mean we're at the top of a pretty big hill luckily but like down where like the town is like the roads
flood a lot because sand can't absorb all this water so we're gonna probably have a little bit Lake in our front yard
if it does rain as much as they say it's going to um this was gonna be a lot of rain don't go outside so question is after it
happened if I do so if I were to let's say delay my flight to Monday and flew
in on Monday would I be able to get in you think I think I think that'd be better yeah but I'm not a meteorologist no I
you're a volcanologist a provoconologist what are you drinking
I'm drinking wine I'm drinking this Banshee Cabernet Sauvignon from Sonoma County 2021
that's weird as bird on it yeah nice please explain um
I have some feedback from Juan my husband who says no one gives a [ __ ] what day it is so we don't have to
continue to do that the answer we're like is it Monday is it Wednesday who cares you mean you mean announcing it yes yes
okay fair enough I'll stop so it's just True Crime day or History Day or whatever
true grind day History Day today's true Prime day so let's get into it so because you're
not going first sailor why don't you tell us what you're drinking literally and figuratively I'm drinking some wine
okay and that I'm sure plays into your story in some way shape or form definitely does
perfect uh I
I didn't think about a drink man it's so California thing my store is in California I'm coming to California
you're in California the hurricane sitting California I feel like they should have a Sierra Nevada but I feel
like I just use that as a default whenever I need to drink something in California it's okay
it's good it's classic yeah consistently good so I will kick us off and
I kind of already stepped on what um like where I'm gonna be talking about and it had a lot to do with the fact
that I am coming to La this week and the story that I'm going to be discussing is in LA and it's you know no no it's
actually not L.A my mind is like somewhere so far away from where I am right now it is a california-based story
and it is about a woman who was kept as a sex life so we're gonna talk about
that it's an uplifting story uh it is it is
about a woman named Colleen sand have you heard of this before Taylor XO okay
I think that that I started getting the Weeds on this people are gonna be like yup this starts it's gonna start sounding a little bit familiar it's
probably the biggest sex slave story that's out there outside of Ariel Castro
which people are probably all right um Austria that like Dad oh uh Fritz
something something yeah with his daughter that was a bad one yeah
they're all bad no no there's no good ones there's no good sex slavery story like none of them turn into Disney
movies they're all kind of horrific but right I mean if it's consensual okay go ahead I just want to make that clear go
ahead
no I know but I feel they use that word do they okay whatever I don't know continue don't don't come at me bro don't come at
Taylor Bros she doesn't know the terminology okay yeah we're too busy so I'm going to
start by getting into our main antagonist of the story today which are going to be Cameron in Janice hooker
unfortunate that they have the last same hooker given the nature of what they end up doing and the fact that sex sex work
should be should be okay um Cameron and Janice met when Cameron
was 20 years old and Janice was 15 so red flag number one as we always describe age difference and like look
five years when you're like 30 or 40 or 50 or 60 doesn't really matter it's different yeah 15 year old is like a
huge no you should not be with a child 15
years old as a child yes exactly exactly and in this case it's actually worse than just it being a child because it's
not like Janice came from a good household anyways Janice wasn't in a horribly abusive household and she was
she was not accustomed to love affection adoration whatsoever right which what
does that mean it means like if somebody shows up and they're like I love you and
then occasionally punch you in the face you're like this is great This Must Be Love yeah it is a huge improvement over
what I've experienced so far so this must be what it's supposed to be oh it's terrible so she latched onto this guy
Cameron who was not a good guy like we will learn further on in the story he was not a good guy and
again I have nothing against BDSM do you don't
give a [ __ ] it's all good but there is a difference between two equal
parties doing BDSM and then a 20 year old and a 15 year old girl who's been
abused for all life then you're like yes this is my sexual kinky you should be a part of it in this case Cameron was like
Janice this is what I want to do I want to do the BDSM stuff and they did but it
was like it was sort of consensual it was consensual to
the extent that you could get the consent of a horribly abused child yes exactly so it's not exactly so and
also I should know that all this was going on the 1970s so like it's not as common as it is today
anyways right so like you know it was it it's extreme in multiple ways I would say
and so yeah as I wrote down here Janice was not like she was a willing participant but not really a willing
participant um she kind of just had to go along with it and by like how she she loves Cameron that
they had like what was sort of a very healthy loving relationship but it was noted later on that she was being beaten
quite a bit as part of this BDSM play that they were involved in so in 1975 the two of them would end up
getting married and at the wedding Cameron would tell Janice that he had an
interest in taking on a sex life and by taking on he was talking about
kidnapping and forcibly putting someone in this position right cool cool bro right cool guy yeah
yeah that's a yeah that's something you should talk about maybe before or like or just don't talk about it and
don't do it I mean definitely don't do it yeah yeah
sure so it sounds like Janice really didn't object all that much I have this mental image of Janice in my mind of
like meek scared I don't know like like she is not
sealing a powerful person in this situation but what Janice did tell Cameron was
like cool yeah let's do this you should totally go abduct a woman to make her your sex slave but I have to
contingencies that you have to meet to be able to abduct this woman and keep her one you can't have sex with her yep
you can only have sex with me you can't have sex with a slave and two you have to stop whipping me as part of the BSM
play with with the slave but not me anymore those were the two contingencies
which I guess good for her like the thing I
thought about here was like good for her for having the thought that she has any agency or the situation to put in
contingencies but realistically did she have any agency because we're gonna learn later that she really didn't it
didn't go the way that she thought so for anybody who hasn't heard the story
of Colleen sand um there's
there's one detail in the story that I totally did not remember
I feel like I feel like somebody's coming back but I don't want to say anything yet so you say it and then I'll say that's the thing I thought
okay well if if the story if what I'm telling you so far sounds familiar this part won't sound familiar because this
part shows how elevated the situation was outside of calling story herself so in 1976
Cameron and Janice picked up a hitchhiker named Marie Elizabeth spawn
hake Elizabeth had gotten into a fight with her boyfriend at some flea market and decided that she wanted to walk and then
later hitchhike home the the hookers picked her up and Cameron bound and
restrained her as she was trying to get out of the car basically they reached her destination and she's trying to get out he like grabs from behind and like
restrains her and everything oh my God don't say hookers say sex worker but I
understand right now that that's their last name exactly that's why I said it was unfortunate that it is
fishing okay um so we're on the same game we believe
the same thing it's just like the the nomenclature yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah no no I get it
so they end up taking that uh taking Elizabeth back to their home Cameron
takes her out of the basement he strips her naked bounce her with the rafters and basically starts torching like whipping her hitting her putting
cigarettes out on her stuff like that how old is she she I don't know
she was young I remember she was young it was somewhere between 16 and 18 years old and she was in that kind of age bracket
this is the 70s 16 year olds go to flea markets their boyfriends then hitchhikum apparently yeah yeah
um Elizabeth would be screaming throughout this entire ordeal which really pissed off camera like he was
trying to get her to stop screaming and so to do that according to Janus he strangled her death and then buried her
body in the nearby park I don't that'll get someone to stop screaming so the the hookers were never prosecuted
for this crime it's a it's a proper noun damn it um okay the hookers were never
prosecutive of this crime we only know about this because later on after everything I'm going to talk about here
was revealed Janice told the police this story they ended up searching for Elizabeth's potty and never found it and
so this girl Elizabeth actually went missing was reported missing by her family at the time that Janice says that
they picked her up but they could find no evidence of it outside of what she said Cameron obviously never confessed
listen so nobody was prosecuted for this like by all accounts girl disappeared presumed dead never found her body never
knew what happened to her so that's that that's kind of like the the end of it and so the only reason this kind of came
to light was because of the story of Colleen Stan so James the victim's side of today's story in 1977 Colleen was
hitchhiking to her friend's birthday party every write-up of this story that you
end up reading about later on is going to talk about the fact how when she was hitchhiking to her friend's party two
men two like in on two separate instances men would stop and offer her a
ride and she would refuse them and she chose the hookers because
there was a woman animated in a baby yeah they had a baby at this
point they had one and all these stories are like I love reading these because they're like is it
ironic like like it's a [ __ ] Atlanta sports that thing of like she could have gone with one of these other men that's
I was like they would have probably [ __ ] kill the raped her too like why do we think that she's not nothing
it's not an idiot she actually made probably the most rational decision in that situation because those guys
probably also would have tried to kill her no totally so
yeah she ends up seeing the hookers she ended up seeing the Janice in the car there's a baby in the car like this is
safe I went again this car so she gets in the car and at this point the ride uh
they're going to this ultimate end destination and they have to pull over to a gas station they have to get gas
Colleen has to go to the restroom and when she comes back to the car there's a
box sitting in the back seat next to where she was sitting she would later talk about this as
having this thought this is a quote that she says that goes a voice told me to run and jump out jump out a window and
never look back end quote and she's like you know that thingy in background like this is [ __ ] weird this [ __ ]
really do something you just kind of ignored and push it aside like your intuition basically telling you what you
should be doing you don't listen to it that was what she was experiencing but she gets in the car anyways and the hookers don't say anything about the box
and so she doesn't either it seems like whatever they just put a box here it is what it is
what does it look like exactly what I'm going into YouTube describe the box so it looks to
be about I didn't have exact dimensions on this I was basically off of the images that I found of it and next to a
guy holding it it looks to be about 18 inches all around like a square box 18 inches all around it is wooden like and
not like um not uh plywood like it's not uh compacted wood it is like solid solid
wood it has hinges on one side of it and it has an opening like a like a circular
opening in the middle of it where the hinge is actually come apart inside is full of foam like there's a
hollow area in the middle but it's full of foam and it also weighs approximately 20 pounds it's big it's fairly sizable
they leave this gas station they start driving and they reach an isolated stretch of highway and they pull off the
road and stop the car Janus takes the baby and gets out of the
car and Cameron turns to Colleen with a knife handcuffs her and then tells her if she has to put the Box on her head oh
my God he straps the box to her again she's a tiny girl uh this is a 20 pound
box so and also they don't want her to be upright anyways her head is like forced down into the back she's like
she's laying down in the back see with this box trapped to her head took the time to like build it
yes Cameron was actually a pretty good um Carpenter he's going to build a lot
of stuff like everything okay so again 1970 so right now
you could go to what's that place in Hollywood called treasure some pleasure Palace Pleasure Chest or whatever you
could go to any number of these uh like high-end sex stores and get all all
manner of like BDSM equipment this is the 1970s there is everything is DIY for Sex
Dungeon like there is no ordering anything on Amazon there's no Adam and Eve there's no treasure Palace none of
that stuff like you are building this stuff on your own and Cameron built all this stuff on his own and there was a
lot of it too there's pictures on out there of the stuff that he had put together it actually looked pretty well
like he's a good Carpenter like I do I will give him credit for building quality
sex torture equipment oh my God I was just talking to my friend Nicole about what you should look for in a man when
you're dating and one of the top things is like that's one handy who can like build [ __ ] for you in this case it's a red flag because he's building bad stuff
she might like she might like this guy um if you get a guy who can build a deck that's pretty pretty solid but just also
he shouldn't be building torture devices for children that he kidnaps if you see him building things that look like coffins in your garage
that's when you have to raise the red flag to yourself if nobody else
why do we need this box it's the perfect size of a human what was that there was like one oh my
God the Ryan Reynolds Amityville like the only part of that that I found really funny was the fact that in the
basement he just built confidence for his entire family including the children like he built baby coffins and I was
just like that's kind of funny like if you go down there and you're like dad's just building coffins that has our names on
it like in another world that could be interpreted it's hilarious uh too much I'm so sorry I have a totally random
tangent did you watch the Evil Dead TV show no oh my God it's so stupid and so
like this one character her parents die and um the main guy in Evil Dead
that you know I'm talking about he Bruce yeah yeah he makes like he buries her
parents and he makes these like crosses and they put on their graves you know and and she's like thank you for doing
that but you know they're we were Jewish and he goes then why did I spend all the time making this [ __ ] crosses it's
just so funny I love that I love I love like I love
things that are just like kind of pointless it's kind of there's a charge of that for some reason so funny so
funny um continue so going back to sad Sex Dungeon okay we're serious Taylor oh man
I just laughed out loud whenever you named Your Sex Dungeon the sad sex
um so we're we're the happy Sex Dungeon for Cameron um not for anybody else right but they
get back to their home and again Cameron straps calling to the rafters Webster
beat sir does all that stuff apparently Janice is in there watching him do all this and then afterwards they end up
having sex in front of Colleen which is just so gross it's just like so perverted and grow it's like what are
you doing like it feels like one of those moments when it's like oh man what in life led me to
this point where this woman is screaming naked in terrified bleeding that I've
kidnapped and now I'm having sex with my partner in front it's it's so weird so weird what do you think do you think
that's happening how many how many places that happening right now in the world I'm gonna talk about that I'm
gonna talk about that okay because because I Taylor we're so alike like literally as I was wrong I was like how
common is this I mean they find each other okay I'll let you get to it okay
cool so after they end up adding sex uh they put her in a box and this is an
actual like this isn't the head box this is an actual giant box and it's a box
shape meaning she can't lie down it she has to sleep sitting up in this confined
box which sounds [ __ ] terrifying literally every worst nightmare terrifying
later on camera would do like he would build for a better box like the wrist Carlton version of this is a box it's
like a little bit bigger than a coffin she could lay down in it so she could actually go to sleep so that was that
was a step up anyways it's all in all it's all of it's
worse than not being in a box but like there are gradients of which box you'd rather be in and I'd rather be in the
coffin than the boxer you have to set up in I think right yes thank you
it's worth noting that Colleen ended up being their sex slave for seven years oh
my God so what I'm going to describe is basically the highlights of her
experience and not indicative of her day-to-day life her day of life was basically torture beatings whippings rape sleeping in a coffin cleaning the
house taking care of the kid like it lasted seven years like I mean you
can't go into everything the podcast would be like seven years long if I went to every detail of what she actually
experienced before Sports assuming was all bad but I'm gonna punctuate the interesting facts of the story as I as I
go through this description so about a year after all this started Cameron would allow her to come out of
the basement and mostly this was to help with chores around the house which Colleen had to do nude
around this time since she had more freedom and to basically instill more
fear in her Karen would tell her that there was this huge crazy super powerful organization that was called quote the
company ugh an idiot whose membership was comprised of basically men who would
keep sex slaves like her and he basically described it as like these are all judges and politicians and lawyers
and super rich and powerful people that you don't want to [ __ ] with because they'll find you and kill you and kill your entire family so he was trying to
like instill his fear on her they're like there's a thing bigger than me so escaping meat is actually escaping your
situation exactly favorite contract a sign that basically
promised that she would not run and that she would be beholden and belong to Cameron and be a sex slave forever
he also told her that from here on out as part of being in the in the quote the
company she had to wear a slave collar and she had to rename herself okay the letter K not k a not like K
Jewelers got it so she does this she signs with an X because apparently it's all the standard [ __ ] of like take
away your identity all you know all that deconstruct it's cold stuff right um
so her living circumstances kind of changed now that she's kind of this official slave he created a new box for
her to sleep in and put it underneath his and Janice's bed occasionally
they would have threesomes where Janice got involved as well and she was able to sleep in bed with the three of them
together regardless she was regularly beat regularly tortured and she was basically
made to be their servant and take care of the house the baby on an ongoing basis that was kind of her life
four years after this ordeal started Colleen was able to leave the house for the very first time and it was this
around this time that basically her and Janet started forming some sort of a friendship I guess you would call it Janice would take her to bars and they
would go hang out at bars together and dance spaces of bat and complain to Colleen about how what her relationship
was like with Cameron it was in odd Arrangement um but if you're hanging out with if
you're hanging out with imagine like you're out at Hooters and you're hanging out with the girl who has a slave call
around with letter k on it and that's basically what she was doing but she was fine with it like she had broken already
like this is a Stockholm syndrome of like my these are my partners now like we're in this together yeah this is my
life oh my God by the late 1980s
no not the late 1980s in the in 1980s in later on in the 19 in 1980 uh Cameron
finally let her actually contact her family for the very first time and she did and let them know that hey I'm alive
I'm in a boy I'm in a relationship with a boyfriend and I'm now working as a nanny for a couple which is like you
know their version of the truth and a couple of months after that her and Cameron actually went to her parents
house for a visit Cameron was introduced as her boyfriend Mike and they actually spent the night
there and there's a photo of them at this get-together and like they do look
like they're a happy couple in a happy relationship this guy looks really creepy though
camera looks super creepy he looks like a wet creepy like he'll he looks like that guy remember that how was that
Netflix show that was the most incredible next show where like there was this family there was like this husband wife with a daughter and then
the guy this neighbor guy ends up sleeping with the wife oh yeah yeah yeah sleeping with
the husband and then abducting the kid remember that I'm done playing sight yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes oh my God
you remember when the husband starts talking about how he like jerked the guy off in his car
you're like what what [ __ ] you did what wrong
dude that's unbelievable you couldn't get that out of me with [ __ ] torture
he's like he's already [ __ ] his wife raped his kid and then he's like he came to my flower shop and I jerked him off
on in my car it's like what are you talking about like what powered this guy have like imagine that guy could have
taken over the entire world if he had that kind of power unbelievable anyways that's what this guy reminded me
of he looked like that weird aside check that out abducted in plain sight unbelievable story just fast
forward to the part where the guy says he jerked the guy off of this car um moving on
so once they get back home um for some reason Cameron starts taking
away the Privileges at a given colleague she has to end up going back in the basement she ends up having to get whipped all the time she can't walk
around free and do her own thing for whatever reason I think maybe he thought like she's getting too comfortable just
trying to treat this too much like like a relationship regardless in 1984 Cameron tells Janice
that he wants to take on another slave somehow in the middle of all this by the way they're still going to church like
they're like all three are going to church it's it's unbelievable talk about like the weird hypocrisy and all this
but it comes up later on as it's all been peace so there's conflicting reports on this part
I'm going to go into but at some point Janice has a change of heart about
Colleen's situation and some accounts say that this comes about because she does confession with her pastor and the
pastor tells her that she has to do something about Colleen's situation other accounts say that she only told
the pastor after Colleen was already released that she had to report camera to the police in his situation and what
they were up to one thing I would say is like if it's true that
the pastor heard this in confession while Colleen was a sex slave and didn't
report to the police then that's [ __ ] up because the whole clergy privilege
doesn't actually extend to crimes that are currently being committed or are about to be committed so
it does so if I were to say like for example if I were to tell my pastor like hey when I was like 18 I
killed somebody okay that's privilege like already done it is what it is but if I was telling like hey I'm about to
go kill someone like that's not privilege anymore so like you should have reported that and if he did it then that was really [ __ ] up
but again like conflicting reports some say that it happened after the fact so who knows what's actually true anyways
regardless based on whatever guidance that um Janice gets and because of the fact that Cameron's bringing in the fact
that he wants to bring a new sex slave also it sounds like chance was generally unhappy in the marriage she ends up
telling Colleen that the company doesn't actually exist and encourages her to leave it helps her leave So eventually
she would take to coordinate with Colleen's family to get money for a bus
ticket back home she would take her to the bus station drop her off and at that point Colleen would call Cameron and say
hey I'm gonna leave I'm leaving you I'm going back to my family this is apparently a super emotional call for
both of them they're both crying it was really really sad for both for whatever reason and
at that point it was clear that Colleen had no intention of reporting any of this to police
so yeah she like he broke her like she was already like yeah way over the hill so
that is um that's kind of where things end it is at some point after this that
Janus takes Upon Our herself to report this what they did to the police in exchange for immunity for being a
participant in all this again she probably wasn't happy with her marriage she was [ __ ] stealing the
sex slave to go drinking at Hooters to like tell them about their marriage like it wasn't like a happy situation no
she's I mean she's obviously a criminal but yeah she's a horrible person like
relationship you know you feel kind of bad for her as well sort of almost sort
of like maybe like day three but then like Dave bajillion no yeah so
Cameron's arrested he ends up going on trial again Janice gets full Immunity on
this and in 1985 Cameron received 74 years in prison he was actually released
Taylor in 2021 yes he was released in 2021 to a state hospital like a psych
ward okay I feel like working at the Starbucks no no he's not your neighbor but this
part's crazy because I didn't know any of this until I researched it because I
didn't research it because of the time you know that he's research because I thought it was an interesting case in October of this year in two months
from now he's set to go on trial again what
this the state of California the prosecution wants him labeled as what is called quote a sexually violent Predator
they don't want him to get this parole release into General populace he they
want him to get this status which would revoke his parole and push him back into
prison it's literally happening in two months into four days from the day we're
recording this podcast crazy wow crazy timing so
Carly moved on with her life she still lives in California she's working with Abused Women in shelters she had a
string of marriages and kids and has grandkids now and basically moved on and has a relatively normal life it sounds like Janice to the same Janice got full
immunity she lives somewhere in California and nobody really knows what's going on yeah yeah she's fine
she's good she's still alive that's [ __ ] yeah and then to your
earlier Point Taylor I started looking into this and was like I was like looking at the sex slavery in
general and getting in accurate statistic on it is
obviously super super hard because all like this stuff is meant to be hidden right right of course you're not gonna
like I mean I'm sure there's a dark web where they're talking about it but you're not gonna like put on your resume yeah yeah so the the rough consensus is
and this is this is why it's so broad the consensus here is that at minimum there's about 15 000 and maximum there's
about 50 000 women and children who are forced into this situation every year in the U.S
thousand what yeah every year
oh my God and like again I'm I wrote down I'm
pretty dead set on the FBI seizing my computer because I kept Googling this and I literally Googled the term quote
how many people caught with sex dungeons and quote like I'm going away for life I'm sure
but here's the Five results that I got the first five results so
the first one FBI uncover uncovers National Sex Dungeon ring so in this
situation there was four Dudes random dudes totally un did not know each other
all of them had built sex dungeons at their homes and had tried to contract with an undercover FBI agent to buy
women for their dungeon these four were the ones who actually went so far as to withdraw usually it's
about ten thousand dollars that's what it costs to buy a human withdrew ten thousand dollars in cash met him with this guy handed them the money and said
give like here's the money give me a woman those were the four that took that symbol a hundred other people inquired
into buying a woman a hundred like it's crazy that's crazy
and again like they searched these guys get arrested they all got like seven to nine years some [ __ ] like that but the
FBA actually starts with their how they had built sex dungeons like legitimately had sex dungeons at their homes
and those guys are working at Starbucks
I'm not like trying to like Prejudice this but I looked at a lot of
mug shots if a guy
if a guy looks unfuckable to you he might have a Sex Dungeon
because they are all unfuckable looking guys but they all they God like how do
you describe them like they they all have like that weird neck fat that has like more hair on it that it has on
their face they're all just gross looking virgin
dweeb [ __ ] dip [ __ ] they're probably getting on like a bunch of incels yeah
they're flabby they're like they're like they're they're losers like for I don't know why they're able to own homes buy
homes they look like [ __ ] like just sexual deviance like I don't
like all your so women I will say this I can speak to the woman directly I think
all your prejudices of men are true like if a Dude Looks Like a [ __ ] rapist
he's probably a rapist like look at the mugshots of these people just Google again you can have your computer seized
at the same time that mine gets these just Google Sex Dungeon caught or whatever and there's an incognito window
I did all of it incognito and then go to the images tell me if any
of those guys look [ __ ] none of them
Taylor's literally looking up Sex Dungeon caught I mean I guess I think I did oh my God if you see one yes but I
also like I also believe that like if you have a good personality
okay okay do this look up Ariel Castro Ariel Castro is the quintessential one
of these dudes okay that guy's 100 unfuckable look up look up look up a
picture of Leonard Lake again a guy who had a [ __ ] Sex
Dungeon on a ranch yes 100 nowhere they all look like this
they all uniformly have a round face weird small beady eyes a little too much
fat under there like they're all like anyways all your prejudices are are accurate so
being a woman is so hard everybody trying to murder you this this goes on so number two the number two story was
Hotel owner arrested on sex trafficking charges Dash Had Sex Dungeon this guy
had also retained an undercover police officer to buy him a woman to put into
an actual dungeon that he constructed the third result was an article on the second or the the second guy who got 29
years in prison for trying to buy a woman there's an article that was from October
of 2022 that's the fourth result it was a guy in Missouri who had a 22 year old
girl chained in his basement in Missouri number five was a story from 2003. this
was a guy this is a handyman in York a 67 year old handyman in New York who kidnapped and held up to fine women
intermittently captive in his underground dungeon I mean it's just so scary there I
remember one time this is this is not scientific but they like found some
bones of a missing woman but when they a missing girl but when they found the bones the DNA matched her but they were
older so like she had been kept for like 10 years and then ran away and died oh this list like the Google search results
of woman Sex Dungeon captive that are not porn related is like [ __ ] like
you could spend years just reading these articles and I was thinking myself I was actually thinking myself I was like I
was like the last time I heard a story like this was Ariel Castro Castro I think that for the general
public that's the last time we heard a story of a Sex Dungeon guy getting caught and I was just like why aren't we
like hearing this stuff I was like I was like dude maybe we just like short circular like this seems like it's so
common that they're getting caught so frequently that like we're just like hey it's boring [ __ ] old news I I think I
legitimately think it's just old news and we're just like bored of hearing about it but if it sounds like it's happening a
lot so women just [ __ ] carry mace Cherry pepper spray the guy that gives you weird Vibes you are right do not
[ __ ] go home with them definitely if it gives you weird vibes he's weird trust your God trust your gut always
ladies always always yeah I also have been seeing so much stuff on Instagram of like
um you know men being like Oh like I you know went for a walk at midnight in the
city it was so nice and women being like [ __ ] you you know like we can't do that yeah it's so dangerous yeah also I
wouldn't go for a [ __ ] walk because I'm also down a Mark it's like it's like like also those guys are kind of dumb
it's like I'm not gonna like remember when we were living in L.A and people would come in to like do trainings and they're like yes one for a walk and like
I just ended up in skid row and it's like dude I want to go to [ __ ] skid row with a machete a gun and grenades on me like
however I tried to walk through Skipper one time I didn't try but I was like I was so used to New York being like oh this thing's a mile away I'm gonna walk
there you know and like one of my first weeks or months in La I joined like the
Planned Parenthood um like Council and I was going to a meeting that we had there's like a mile from the office and I was like oh I just
have to walk up here and people were like no Kyle drove me there he was like absolutely not no get in my car and he
just wouldn't let me wouldn't let me walk there and I was like Oh I thought I could he was like nope I was like oh okay well I think that's how most people
end up walking through skid rows because they just like Google it and like but Google got smart and later on they
actually put on the map that this is Skid Row like they wrote skid row and like I'm not trying to like be shitty
about like people people are poor people have substance whatever like humans are humans but you also don't need to like
invite being [ __ ] murdered assaulted and killed it's your life yes please so
yeah oh that's the um the red flag when a guy gives you a creepy Vibe go with it
because maybe he's having an off day maybe he's dope as [ __ ] but they can't risked it
exactly there's yeah there's plenty of people out there who do construction and
carpentry for good for good yes
but but if they do end up you know if there's a murder of suicide at least you know that he can build your baby a
coffin which is kind of nice I don't love it now I'm trying to look
at the bright side of everything Taylor so that's my story um
what did you think what did you think of it like have you do you remember this story at all or no I do I think I
remember the Box part like in the middle of it and it just scares me so much I think I've talked about this before but like being buried alive was something
that I was like legit worried about in the 80s because that was like all over the place so it could be a kidnapped and
buried alive I don't know I felt like it was like on TV all the time um so just like being in that coffin for years essentially
it's so scary so scary oh my God yeah not a fan not a fan it's actually one of
my worst um fears ever like I yeah you don't even know how it possibly cope with that but yeah it's not like she did
I mean you know we were humans were adaptable and she ended up kind of like being okay with it and fell in love with
the guy and I mean again if it wasn't for Janice you would never would have gotten caught for
this at least so out there that's our story for today on the True
Crime front I think we've sufficiently terrified everybody into not getting into strangers cars or trusting the dude
who's [ __ ] kind of weird I hope everybody's doing that please don't do that don't do it don't do it
um I have one listener mail um I had posted oh I went to the Natural
History Museum in Los Angeles on Thursday with my kids and I was in the
like early human section and I did a tick tock super cool of me I'm super cool um but they it was like all the stuff
that we learned it was like Homo erectus Homo habilis homo rudolphus and like it was like they had the models of all the
different skulls of the different types of types of humans so I was like taking pictures of that and like talking about
it so I think it was cool that I feel like I knew a little bit about it when I was looking at it um and then our friend Andrea who we used to work with reminded
me of the time that we were forced to watch like a 20-hour video about human evolution to build websites
what was the point of that I forgot I didn't I was on maternity leave so I didn't do
it either but like they like were like waiting to think about people as like I don't I honestly don't [ __ ] know
man we've had some weird experiences Taylor well yeah I think we're so I think we're so close because we trauma
bonded from our forgiveness definitely definitely plausible that's
some weird ass [ __ ] man yeah so anyway she reminded me of that and we were laughing about it and uh
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