This week’s true crime story is about murdering nurse Lucy Letby and the history of infanticide. We don’t know why anyone would ever hurt a baby - at the end of this convo, we have no answers; we are just exhausted and so sad. This is a recent story of a nurse gone bad… and you are supposed to trust your hospital staff - especially with lives. We mean, that’s obvious, which makes it so much more tragic. Our hearts hurt. Pictures of calming landscapes via #midjourney #ai because we do not believe #lucyletby’s face needs to be seen anymore. Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/doomedtofailpod/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/doomedtofailpod Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@doomedtofailpod TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@doomed.to.fail.pod Email: doomedtofailpod@gmail.com
This week’s true crime story is about murdering nurse Lucy Letby and the history of infanticide. We don’t know why anyone would ever hurt a baby - at the end of this convo, we have no answers; we are just exhausted and so sad. This is a recent story of a nurse gone bad… and you are supposed to trust your hospital staff - especially with lives. We mean, that’s obvious, which makes it so much more tragic. Our hearts hurt.
Pictures of calming landscapes via #midjourney #ai because we do not believe #lucyletby’s face needs to be seen anymore.
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Hi Friends! Our transcripts aren't perfect, but I wanted to make sure you had something - if you'd like an edited transcript, I'd be happy to prioritize one for you - please email doomedtofailpod@gmail.com - Thanks! - Taylor
and we are back on Wednesday to discuss a true crime Doom to fail relationship
Taylor how are you I'm good how are you I'm good are you still drinking your Cayenne chocolate milkshake pepper
um no no I'm just really just drinking um this iced coffee I drink my iced
coffee and my Smoothies Out of cocktail shakers because it makes me feel fancy it is fancy that is a very retro thing
and you are a very retro person so it all kind of adds up thank you welcome
[Laughter] espresso Martini later today I know I would get one in this town
I guess what do I need vodka and espresso I don't know I don't know what more teas are made of
um vermouth I know vermouth goes in a martini so um in an espresso Martini you
can't do that you go I'll look it up I'll report back at the end of this sweet um so I'm gonna go ahead and start my
topic and I actually similar to Taylor's topic earlier this week have like a bit of a
educational component to mine because I like to educate and entertain we are edutainment after all and I want to
start with the logic of what how I landed on the topic I'm going to be discussing today and then discussing it and then
everybody applauding it and saying how great it is interviewing it five stars on podcasts are used
so I'm going to start putting out the disclaimer that I have not seen Barbie yet
and and like I it's not for any specific reason whatsoever it's just at this point everybody that I would want to see
that movie with has already seen it and so I was like dude like you can't go into the Barbie movie like looking the
way you look it's like going to Chuck E cheese alone like it just will look weird and like I don't belong there and
I'm very susceptible to that kind of judgment do you mean looking like a super young 25 year old
25 year old like a new bile fresh face like you do yes I do
um but I did the next best thing to watching the Barbie movie which was go on Wikipedia and read the entire plot
line of the movie love it I do that sometimes as well and and I basically I deduced that it
ends with this like matriarchal versus patriarchal kind of issue discussion debate around
how we structure Society so because I'm a true feminist I decided to
focus my research this week on female True Crime subjects on the interest of balancing the
equities amongst the genders because ladies and gentlemen men are not the
only ones who are absolutely [ __ ] monsters um for anybody who has seen Barbie I can
as far as talking to me from his office where there's a like a bull skull behind him and he very much lives in a Mojo
Dojo Casa house if that is something that makes sense to you congratulations you're insulting me I'm
Ken turns Barbara you're right I'm sorry Ken's Ken turns Barbie's dream house into a Mojo Dojo Casa house which is
like a house that's just like pictures of horses all over it like they're like I'm looking for to say
dojo and Casa and house that he's like it's a house I can do whatever I want like okay okay so we like converted to
like Ted Turner at some point in the movie exactly but he's like it has a cowboy hat on and it's like there's like
saloon doors got it got it so so I've seen this screenshot before and now you're helping
me place it thank you foreign so yes we're going to be discussing uh
well one in particular but there's several others I'm going to also going to bring up during the this this conversation so I'm also going to do
something kind of unique and wait no I just rambled on about that ignore this part but the main point is
that I'm going to focus my research but I did Focus my research of all these
stories on a very common thread which is the concept of infanticide rate
Joy to the one so so
you are true feminist a true feminist hey it's like it's like
it's like being pro-choice except maybe like a little bit past being punctuous so okay go ahead
so we're gonna go into the history of being fantaside reasons why people commit it and then cover several cases
of it although just by doing some cursory research it is clear that infanticide is like way more common than
it should have been I'm gonna be talking about four cases one primary case of it and then three others just like a side
just to show how this works out but there's so many there's so many cases it is it is crazy how common it is like for
people to kill babies which is like not great also I'm gonna start off by saying
I'm not a scientist good yeah so I'm glad that no that's good that's for the best so as I
research because to your point with like everything you research it's like there's people who've dedicated their
entire lives like every variation of infanticide from the beginning of human society based on the different cultures
based on political Geo like it is a big topic and I'm going to just kind of blow
through it and also I'm gonna actually categorize it in ways that they don't because
I think I'm smarter than them so I'm gonna have my own structure of how I'm gonna discuss this
great great continue to man explain this to the scientists so I'm gonna I'm gonna
I'm gonna do a sorting of infanticide I'll start by just saying that infant is
it baby's okay yeah I know I'm just I'm I was trying to see if I have my sweatshirt that says on Wednesdays we smash the patriarchy but I
don't have it in this room with me but I was gonna put it on it's Sunday it doesn't work it's a Mean
Girls joke to you okay so if it's not obvious and fantaside is the intentional killing of
an infant not necessarily yours it's just a killing of an infant obviously because humans are awful the
killing of babies has been a thing since we've had humans and we've had babies this is where the non-scientist part of
me is going to share my hot take on this and in some cases I'm going to say that it
kind of makes sense to me I'm not saying it's good or that I can donate but for example in like the 1200s when you were
living in feudal England and you were farming the land and eating your shoe leather to survive and you had a child
born with a bunch of deformities and you don't even have enough resource to cover the existing family then you're like oh
well it was not uncommon to kill that baby to preserve resources because it because it would never grow up to be
like productive on a farm situation I'm not saying it's good I don't know I
understand killing babies I get the I get it okay yeah similarly on the
resource constraint justification for this twins or triplets were not like a blessing back in the day there was like
it was those like oh [ __ ] moments it's a terrifying surprise a horrible horrible
surprise because you're like whoa so I got to deal with all the resource issues I already had times two or three like it
was just it was awful my Aunt Kathy had twins in like 1975 and they didn't know their twins
that's crazy that's crazy yeah so that was another situation where when in the old days if
you had more than one child born at the same time you just killed one of them or you killed all but one of them basically
so getting I'm on a pivot real quick I'm laughing I'm laughing to stop myself
from screaming so I just continued no it's fine go ahead if someone's like I can't believe they're laughing at this
like you don't get it
so okay again being a non-scientist the two classifications I have this are just
understandable versus not understandable so we just covered the understandable version of this I'm gonna go into the non-understandable version of this so
fun fact Native Americans would often kill their infants who were born of a
mixed race or mixed ancestry so for example if it was like two tribes
and like the inner bred they would kill one that was not like
this is this sort of blows you away again humans have always been like this I've always been like this it doesn't
matter what race was that none of that matters then there's the case of sex selective
infanticide which we discussed in the surrender Kohli episode which obviously it's like you know when
I found it was really interesting I went into like the China One one child policy thing and
there's a huge difference in China in the number of boys the number of girls
and the reason is this because they instituted this one child policy and so they would just if they had a daughter
they would just kill the kid over and over and over and over again until he got a boy and now and now you're like
you have a lopsided gender balance and oh see I was like somebody who did this
had to have known that this would be the outcome I don't know the culture but I would assume that it's common enough to
where now you had this lopsided gender issue so the idea of those figures they
wrote this law now they change it to child so hopefully that's less of a thing then there's the craziest version of
infanticide which is the killing of someone else's child for basically no reason whatsoever those are bad we don't
like those at all I like this yes like these are some strong stances that I think make a lot
of sense I'm a scientist damn it so it has to do with science but like I
don't know I don't know either I just say things so this was in the news as of
last week the constant fantasize due to the case of Lucy letby does it sound
familiar is she a nurse yes they're old
we're going to start with her as the main anchor story for today's topic so Lucy was born in the UK in January of
1990 so she's young she's 33 years old like oh my God you can look her up she
looks like a regular 33 year old Lucy had wanted to be a nurse all of her life and specifically she wanted to be a
neonatal nurse the reason being that she wanted this
specific type of job is that apparently her birth was super difficult and the her parents and her herself credit her
being alive to the nurses that were there when her mom gave birth and kind of brought her back to life and was able
to be a normal healthy healthy baby as she grew up so she goes to school to become
registered nurse and begins working in the neonatal unit of a hospital in 2012.
apparently the neonatal units or NICU at a hospital isn't uniformly of the same
intensity did you know this Taylor I didn't know this no what do you mean he can finish that sentence though so there's so just
because you're in the nick you just because being being a baby in the NICU or being a nurse and NICU doesn't mean
that you're dealing with like consistently the same pattern of issues like they break it down into separate
levels I felt like intensive care is intensive care but that's not the case of babies with babies in the UK so the
US has four levels the UK has three levels level one babies these are ones that um they need more care than a
normal baby but are otherwise stable so like maybe like you're like a two-week premium or you know what I mean like
you're not that bad of shape on average the average NICU nurse can handle four
of these like per shift so they look they have an easier time with these kids
level two babies in the NICU these need Advanced life support to maintain their
stability NICU nurses are um limited to two babies per shift they can
only handle two then you're the most intense these are level three where these are like super premature babies
they require constant monitoring constant supervision that is a one-to-one thing and that's how the NICU
kind of breaks down okay so being assigned to level three is kind of a show of confidence in a nurse saying we
think that you can handle the worst of the worst the worst we're putting all of our confidence in you to do it right right
in 2015 Lucy was assigned to start working on level three babies
she had mentioned before that she needed the rush the the level three was like
the hardest of the hard cases it it did something to her she didn't want boring cases she wanted like the most intense
[ __ ] to go going on around her that same Year Lucy was responsible for
taking care of a baby boy who was basically stable and by all accounts mostly okay like shouldn't have just
died unspectingly Lucy had was working the night shift at that time and so the day nurse told Lucy about what her
observations were what to expect basically just a full synopsis debris from where this kid's at and what to
look out for 26 minutes later after Lucy takes over she calls in a doctor as the baby Health
starts rapidly deteriorating and this baby that was mostly stable just dies
out of the blue oh my God the day nurse when she found out about this the next day was completely shocked because she was
because you know I mean look like I I did enough nurses to understand like you you did a sense of like okay like
this is where this is gonna end like it's such same like sometimes they're like yeah we know that this person's probably gonna die or we know this
person is pretty stable like there's a consistent thing that they totally get and this nurse was shocked that this kid
was dead because nothing would have indicated to where that this would happen the doctor who attended to the baby
noticed some blue and white motling on the baby which I don't know with motling
meant so I looked at what bottling meant motling means you're that weird skin complexion some people get where like their skin looks
like super white in spots but then super dark in other spots and yeah it usually seems like super pale people
for the most part I mean so that's what it is and what that shows is There's A
disruption in blood flow to the vessels that are underneath the skin something
happened where that that blood vessel stopped producing enough oxygen going to
the skin so we're going to refer to this baby as child a which is how reports
about this incident in the trial itself classified all them so all the babies are classified from Child a to child Q
we are not discussing child
we're gonna go as far I think I got as far as p
yeah I think I go to sports B because some of them she was not convicted of but that they are still investigating so
oh my god well that's how we refer to these kids now because obviously nobody wants them to be public
child day had a twin sister we're going to call child B a little after a day from Child A's
death child B also died after the first death the parents spent every moment they could with child be
like they were so big greed they were they were besides themselves and so they were like we had to spend every second
we have with this kid oh this one was fine and it just died out of the blue so we got to do something to make sure we
get as much time with this one as possible the nurses at this Hospital were like
guys you really got to go home and rest like you're if you've been here too long and so they tell them to go rest Lucy
was the nurse that was responsible for child B during a designated feeding time where Lucy I custody the baby this one
suddenly died without warning again no indication why I would die
poor parents the saddest thing I've ever heard this story is INS this is
you look at her picture and you read what she did it gets so much worse I'm
gonna continue so in the case of child B when they autopsy the baby they realize the child
for sure had been injected with air there was like I don't know how they know but like there's something about like your blood vessels change or
whatever and that's how they realize this kid had been injected with air and I didn't actually know what air in
your blood vessels does but it's like super bad for you so right that's why they like do that thing yeah
you know what I mean no well yeah yeah yeah yeah to like a shot yeah so I
looked this up so an air bubble in your veins can cause heart attack stroke brain damage
it can kill you in several different ways and if it doesn't kill you it'll horribly debilitate you because imagine
like what it can do is go into your heart block a vessel so that by the time you're able to like unlodge it you've
lost blood motion or whatever oxygenation to your organs and so you're brain dead so it didn't even matter that
they got it out of your system anyway so that's what they discovered had happened with a child B
days after child B dies child C dies as well this one was not under Lucy's care
but she was literally witnessed standing over the child when he coded coding means like he goes like beep beep yeah
it does that she was standing over the over the kid when it coded Days Later child D dies from when an autopsy
revealed was air injected into her bloodstream again the odd types of pieces like that is the parent saying yes cut my child's oh that's why like
some have autopsies and some don't because at this point they don't know to suspect anything wrong and so they have
to ask the parent you want us to cut your baby open like someone were like no we're justifiably right yeah so
the suspicious deaths stopped for about a month until early August of 2015 when
a mother came in to check on her baby child e and saw that he was bleeding from the mouth and then he died later
that day child East twin brother child F suffered a sudden drop in blood pressure
with a horribly elevated heart rate later that day hesswood revealed that he
had extremely high quantities of insulin in this system which was something that was done in Medicaid it was not a
prescription there was no reason why he should have any insulin artificially injected into his body and he did that's
what caused this to happen that one actually survived that baby survived is he okay does he have like problems that
one's okay this one's not so in September so a month after what she did to child F happened the nurses were
celebrating the 100th day of life for Child G so again we're in the level three unit these what people are excited
when these kids make it right so it was a hundred days after this kid should have been dead so this was a three month
premium this is a three and a half month premium so I don't know much about babies but I assume that's pretty bad three and a half months sounds like it's
pretty bad right yeah yeah so they were celebrating this kid's life so the nurses had made banners for him
and there was cake and they were trying to celebrate this baby's life with the parents and it's recovery and all that
stuff shortly after the baby's health monitor goes critical and doctors revive her this started 15 minutes after Lucy
had started feeding her they didn't know what Lucy did to this baby but later on at trial the expert
testimony was that she had apparently force-fed this baby so much milk down her meat feeding to try and kill it that
and her body she couldn't handle it they ascertained this because the distance of
her projectile vomiting was so profound given how small our body was given that
she was a three-month preemie then they're like the only way this could have happened was because of some
mechanical thing like you try to stuff way too much water in a balloon and just like bursts like that's what was going
on with this kid that's what she was trying to think has ever been that's terrible it's horrible it's horrible
that child survived but was disabled I
don't know exactly why Force feeding a baby would disable it I didn't the details didn't weren't provided for that
but it was noted that this child was disabled as a result of this yeah there I mean they're um
I mean like the when you first have a baby they tell you the baby's stomach is like the size of a walnut
barely you know like it's very small so like it would it would potentially like I think with anyone who like because
people die from like drinking too much water you know like that's like a thing but like I think that probably my guess being someone who's such a baby is that
expanded their stomach to like I couldn't handle it yeah yeah well the
biggie survived it's just it was just like horribly disabled so I would assume that means that maybe the stomach bursts
and they she has to use some sort of a bag or right I don't know it's awful whatever it is it's awful so that was
Child G child I died in October this is like month month month month month
notice I started with August September now we're in child I in
October Lucy was seen hanging around this child's incubator and another nurse
says that Lucy told her the baby looked pale even though they were standing in the doorway of the nursery and the
nursery lights were off like it was a creepy thing to be like notice how the baby looks I was like what are you
talking about like we can't even see the kid and long story short was that that baby also
ends up dying and Lucy is the one who so
this was noted by the mother so that child dies they don't know what happened to it apparently when a child dies in this
situation the nurse will like bathe the child and then like you know give the parents time with it before it's off to
whatever and so Lucy was noted as bathing this child while she was like smiling and like she looked like she was
like having a good time like she was enjoying this She also asked the mom if she wanted her
to take Dead pictures of her with her dead baby like it was like a weird thing
that stood out to the mom and started with other nurses that were kind of on station there the autopsy for this one revealed that the injuries were
consistent with how you've been injected with air so that's early October in late October
management of the hospital started growing concerns and it was during this period that they noticed that Lucy was
always on duty when terrible things happened to these kids doctors wanted management to take action
but were apparently told not to make a fuss about this because it would make us all look bad to make the hospital look bad so many times every few stories
about doctors messing up same with priests that's like let's move them to a different hospital or different church
or whatever we don't want to get in trouble you're 100 standing on this so what ends
up that was that was October these doctors kept asking for more meetings with management to be like guys like we
got to do something we got to do something like nothing happened until April so in April of 2016
that is when Lucy was moved to the day shift and then lo and behold
no babies die the night shift so days after she has moved into the day
shift child M and his twin brother child L's vitals suddenly crash and they had
to be revived one was presumed to have been injected with insulin and the other was presumed to have been injected with
air a month later in May another emergency meeting was called by the doctors of
management to discuss all these suspicious death and apparently nothing came out of that conversation either then in June again a month later Lucy
seems to have escalated her method of killing or trying to kill this was intense this is like where she's like [ __ ] ballistic this is when she
physically starts attacking babies like I mean she was physically attacking them anyways but this is more like blunt
force trauma attacking that child so I was like I was like dude what an
insane thing to like write down and then read into a microphone that's when she starts physically attacking the babies
oh my God so child n suffered trauma to his throat nurses just heard him
screaming and when they rushed in they noticed swelling in his throat and blood splattered around the mouth the Assumption being that she'd put her arm
her form on this baby's neck and just kind of held it there they but they don't know they don't know
for sure what happened with this kid it's just like he suffered bad bad injuries to his throat
on June 23rd and June 24th this is the final attempts that we know of occurred
these were a set of triplets two of which were killed out of there was three their two were killed child uh one of
the trip was child oh his vital is dropped and it was recommended by a junior nurse to Lucy who was a senior
nurse on staff to move the child to a more intensive part of the of the unit and Lucy disagreed surely their after
the child dies in autopsy of this child would reveal evidence of air being injected into his body in liver damage
that was reported to be consistent with what you would see in a car crash oh my God so she did something to this kid
Beyond just like like blood force trauma to as much as a
newborn weight are they like eight pounds like what are you yeah no if you do this to like a crazy and in this way
like this is where the escalation really picks up 13 minutes later after this child is dead Lucy is feeding child P
which is the other triplet when he also goes critical and a
doctor's examination revealed that his diaphragm was shattered
and this baby died before they before this baby died doctors have requested an
ambulance to take him to a different hospital because presumably they had some facility there that was better than
the hospital he was currently in when the hospital arrived child Pew was already dead
the parents the parents begged the management of the of the hospital to let
them take their surviving triplet to this other hospital and they did and and this is where like this is probably like
my hair stand up this is when everybody looked around I was like oh [ __ ] like
this this chick's nuts like this like these
babies have injuries consistent with like a car crash right and they die
within 13 minutes or so like this is what this is when like everybody was like we can't just pretend this isn't
happening anymore so your cameras and like the nursery were issue with them I don't know I don't yeah I don't know
if I mean there should be cameras yeah that's a good question I don't know she would do she would also do a lot of
things where she would falsify records so for example she would do um she would change like feeding times to times when
she wasn't on shift or she would change the name of the nurse that was there anything you should try to do things like obfuscating her involvement they
were like but they're Witnesses so people were like yeah that was Lucy like you know the one consistent thing was it was
always Lucy was there so still around babies yeah yeah and in this
situation with these triplets that was kind of the final straw where everybody looks around and looks Lucy and they're like oh [ __ ] we have a huge problem here
at this point it almost felt like she wasn't even really trying to cover it up because again these two in particular
were violent deaths like they they like she [ __ ] these kids up like which was like a horrible way to put it but like
she really damaged them badly physically so this was different than the other ones
where a lot of times it would crash and then they'll be revived there was no Reviving these kids their their bodies
were destroyed and so this is where things kind of stepped up and it would be three weeks after these kill the
deaths of these triplets that she was formally removed from the hospital and then all the debts stopped for context I
looked this up that hospital had two baby deaths in the preceding five years
before Lucy like this volume of death was like way
outside the dorm so it would take about a year after Lucy
was discharged when she was arrested she was arrested in July of 2018. she was originally arrested on eight
counts of murder six attempted murderer but as the investigation dragged on the charges kept racking up
she ended up somewhere around seven charges of murder and 15 of attempted murder
her trial began in October of 2022 and she pled not guilty during the trial it
was revealed that people who worked at the hospital had suspected Lucy pretty early on and argued management to have
her removed the obvious reason why everyone suspected Lucy like I mentioned before was that
on every one of these 25 suspicious incidents of a child dying or almost
dying Lucy was there and when she wasn't there nothing happened which is like a pretty big
obvious tell so obvious again when you're in the hospital like you trust do you trust
that the nurse is not gonna kill your [ __ ] baby that's the point that's why they like sucked the worst reading about was like
the story of like the the triplet parents because they were like the parents were like this isn't normal like
we're not doctors but this is not normal both two of our kids had no issues like that give us the other one we don't care
that it needs support right now we have to take it out of this Hospital you guys are killing our kids like it's crazy yeah oh my God
so on August 18th of this year Lucy so like like literally a week ago I can't
believe it she was it just happened I think I saw it on the news yeah she was found guilty of seven counts of murder and seven counts of attempted murder
there's actually additional occasion because she worked at another hospital before this where there's a large number of child deaths so they're like looking
at those cases too to see like where she might have fit in there as well she ended up getting what's called a um a
whole life term which is life without the opportunity for parole and she is the fourth woman in the history of the
UK to receive that sentence alongside Myra Henley Rosemary West and Joanna Dennehy crazy crazy
horrible horrible so motive wise several things have been positive one was that she was really infatuated with this one
Doctor Who was also it was a married Doctor Who worked at the hospital and he was on the unit was regularly the one
that was called in when when a child went critical and this was like a her way of trying to be around him or whatever another one was there was a
written note that detectives found found that basically talked about how jealous Lucy was that she would never she was
I'm never gonna be able to get married I'm gonna be able to have my own family and have my own kids so there was like a jealousy thing of like [ __ ] these people
for having I don't know like it's hard to nail down like I think that sometimes people are just
[ __ ] in the head and there's no fixing them and I think Lucy kind of fits into that category yeah
what do you think she did it because she could like power I don't know
yeah you know because she like because I mean it sounds like she went though but why would she go in and be like I was
saved by NICU nurse and but I and then like maybe feeling like she could never save a baby or maybe did she
want to save a baby at any time that was one thing two days yeah one thing they found too was that um that she wrote
that she's not good enough and she just doesn't deserve to be like in charge of these kids and it was like a weird it
was a weird she was right she's not good enough like she nailed that part
but I feel like sometimes people like I don't know I have no I can't think of an example but like in like hospitals they'll like make someone
sick and then make them better you know and then yeah be like oh I I saved this person they were like dying but like
they're the ones who did it so but it doesn't sound like she's ever any intention of saving them no she couldn't
she couldn't because like what she would do to them would require like doctors in surgery like it was like drastic medical
intervention so yeah she seems like a [ __ ] crazy [ __ ] that's what she kind of sounds like what a crazy [ __ ] I
don't I don't understand like I just obviously thank you for me I would never
hurt a baby but um the idea of like punching a baby
what is she doing dude I was researching this I was like your computer is for sure being [ __ ]
tracked like for sure being traveling I was looking up like dead babies question
mark like like the worst [ __ ] like this so what was wild about this was that as
well as I researched this and you just link out from one one case the next case
the next case there's so many that came up like it was such a common thing and
here's like three that came up immediately another one was Beverly Allen the reason this one came up was
that that it was just presumed that Lucy looked at understood Beverly Alex case
because her murder methods were the same she would inject air and then inject insulin and so this was also a British
nurse but she was convicted of killing four infants like like
you know anything compared to what Lucy did where like now they're thinking that it could be as high as 23 that she
killed or tried to kill like it's but and with Lucy's case it happened in like a year and a half
that was so fast so like like Jeffrey Dahmer took like 10 years to build up a
12 body count like this was like every other day hours one was 13 minutes from
one to the next it was crazy that is crazy I feel like killing adults doesn't happen that fast no no and then there
was another person in Japan so this was MIA miyayuki Ishikawa she was a midwife
who was convicted of killing five babies and diet of killing 27 and police think she probably killed as much as high as
84 babies oh my God and then you know luckily so
much work to have a baby for that baby to [ __ ] get killed in the hospital crazy especially those triplets is that one
triplet still alive one trip is still alive yeah yeah because the parents were like give me the thing I don't care like
like put in like a bread batch and I was like race home with it like it's better than being yeah 100 think about that you
like it's like uh a house of horrors where you're like maybe he's fine and then his diaphragm has been shattered
and it's not breathing anymore and then 13 minutes later it's like that'd be fine and it's [ __ ] liver has been
lash rated and it's not breathing it's like what are you it's like a house of horrors it's crazy I can't believe it's
awful oh my God and the last one I looked up these should all be cases on their own was Janine Jones she was an
American nurse who was convicted of killing two babies but it is thought that she could have killed as many as 60 because again these people don't get
caught because the way they kill them is like so like nefarious it's like an air bubble
it's you know I mean it's not like uh except for Lucy's last two it's not like you just bash them in the head
with a crowbar like there's there's nothing there to witness yeah
but it's just like it seems like if there's a pattern there's a pattern you know yeah yeah that's so terrible yeah I
realized like we experience I was like if I have a kid I'm just gonna like stick with it the entire time it's in the hospital they do that now
parents do that yeah for the most part like your baby very rarely leaves you it
leaves you I mean when it leaves you it goes with a nurse but it leaves you to like get his hearing tested when you first have it and like that's it and
then it has like I mean for like kidnapping reasons there's like a it has like a angle monitor on you know like Juan took
Florence out of the room I was in two seconds before we all left and somebody stopped him and they were like what are you doing with that baby and he was like
it's my baby and we all you all have your matching things and they scan you they're like oh this is these people are allowed to be around this baby and
that's for like like I said the kidnapping but like you do give the baby to the nurse every once in a while and
you trust them okay what do they do with the hearing test how do they check the hearing I
have no idea why can't you see that in the room there's like a machine
that's like one of the first things that they do have to take because they have to take them out so to take them out and do like a hearing test and that's
probably the only one that they take the baby away for so that I assume is like a big machine to make sure that the baby can hear I don't know how they test it
ask it some questions I don't know weird okay yeah well it was an awful
story it was awful as I was reading it because I was just like thinking about how it's like every day it's like you wake up in the morning like I'm gonna
kill a baby this morning it's like how do you like it's crazy to like think about what This Woman's like other like
what does she say like is there anything else that she like says about it no no she's not she's not yeah she
denied doing any of it and she said that this is all uh abnormalities the hospital and people are trying to false
fire records and whatever but like they found it was so obviously there was like no doubt that she did it because like
when they went and invested around since her house under her bed were like trash bags of this confidential information
that's like Hospital information about these babies although the ones that she like killed or tried to kill and so it's just like
come on man like there's no denying like and they didn't that's the trophy thing of the serial killer is like that's the
way that she was trying to collect the trophy of every single time she killed one of these kids was bring home some confidential hospital-based information
about that child so um not good not good I'm looking at a video
for trial um it's it's delightful that in the UK the judge still wears a wig
oh my God I love that the the one Carlos right jack crows then um
what okay some of her friends are like she didn't do it and then she leaves Post-it notes that said I did this I'm
evil yeah this one has the word hate really big circles
oh God but the initials of the baby would be um on our calendar so on the
days of the babies died she would have the initial of the baby on the calendar
oh my God obviously it's speculated because it could have been any two-letter you know I mean like but it's
just like it's too much evidence it's just too much evidence they should have done something like so much sooner
yeah yeah it's terrible and the doctors wanted to the doctors were the ones who were like this is crazy this is weird we
got to do something so wild it's just like just it was like eight years ago
I don't understand how you can't do it immediately like yeah I have to [ __ ] fill out paperwork when babies are dying
yeah like that doesn't make any sense it's like totally unfair that like you can't just be like
who and if she didn't do it then who cares she had three days off yeah you know we put her on
administrative leave for three days everybody who's around these dead babies let's put them on leave let's see if babies continue to die or like put a
[ __ ] cop cam on her you know yeah well that was the thing I think like so when they decided they're gonna move for
to the day shift you know I mean that was kind of the oh [ __ ] moment which was like we can't deny this
anymore because now you have three kids who went critical two who died within
like a day of each other like it's obviously something's wrong that was a
part of the story that like changed it's like a a horror movie for me was like yeah when you look around in the
daylight like oh my God like there's a serial killer working here
all right I'm having a really hard time getting images for your stories because mine I'm making like fun
dumb AI images of like volcanoes and yours I'm just like not even doing it I did I can't it's just like everywhere
mid-journey uh serial killer nurse okay I'll do that I I uh did a for the
re-release Lori valo and I just did a bunch of like zombies in church because I think that's funny but it's not really
much else you can do yeah my content's not exactly fun
um yeah it leaves uh at least something to be desired and something is
about oh I can't do it I can't do killer I can't do killer nurse it says my prompt might be against their Community
standards imagine an evil nurse yeah there you go
nope we can't do that either imagine it
all right that one's going um yeah yuck yuck awful story it's awful that
happened a lot it's awful that it continues to seemingly happen and if
you're a parent yeah never let your kids out of your sight ever not once
um Taylor thank you for your time I do need to get ready um I know wait I have one listener mail
do you see Kiara's email no I didn't she asked us um I don't know if you guys
forwarding works but Kiara asked if we have any personal stories of being around like crazy things that happened
and also wants to know a little bit more about us I thought that might be fun to do around the holidays where we can like spend a week where we don't have to
frantically read a book yeah let's do it let's uh set that aside from maybe the Thanksgiving holiday or
something yeah that'd be fun oh listener mail do a q a didn't last last podcast I just did a q a they did I
don't mean we're gonna get that many cuties but thank you cara we will get to that that was a good idea that sounds like a fun
thing to do um and as far as his birthday so far as go have brunch and oh I looked up espresso Martini excuse me I'm sorry it
actually says it's not a traditional martini because it doesn't have gin or for moose but it does have
vodka espresso and coffee look wait espresso coffee
liqueur and vodka see that works like Kahlua espresso and vodka
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