Get ready to buckle up for an exhilarating journey as Farz plunges headfirst into the thrilling turbulence of the 2008 financial crisis! Picture this: it was a surreal era to be alive, where fortunes were made and dreams were shattered, all against the backdrop of a rollercoaster housing market. We're delving deep into the heart of the matter, exploring the riveting world of interest rates and the shadowy realm of predatory lending that had us all on the edge of our seats. So, don't miss out on this electrifying episode—tune in now and let's uncover the untold secrets of the 2008 financial rollercoaster! Also, send us your thoughts - do you think literally every bad thing in America is Ronald Reagan’s fault? Pics via the creative commons & #midjourney #AI
Get ready to buckle up for an exhilarating journey as Farz plunges headfirst into the thrilling turbulence of the 2008 financial crisis! Picture this: it was a surreal era to be alive, where fortunes were made and dreams were shattered, all against the backdrop of a rollercoaster housing market. We're delving deep into the heart of the matter, exploring the riveting world of interest rates and the shadowy realm of predatory lending that had us all on the edge of our seats. So, don't miss out on this electrifying episode—tune in now and let's uncover the untold secrets of the 2008 financial rollercoaster!
Also, send us your thoughts - do you think literally every bad thing in America is Ronald Reagan’s fault?
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Hi Friends! Our transcripts aren't perfect, but I wanted to make sure you had something - if you'd like an edited transcript, I'd be happy to prioritize one for you - please email doomedtofailpod@gmail.com - Thanks! - Taylor
I haven't talked yet today well if you want to hear a spantor
I know that's all they want to hear um no I'm in New York City
um with just me and my husband we got here on Thursday today is Sunday we're going to a wedding tonight I'm very
excited it's at the Bronx botanical gardens we've had such good food we've seen a bunch of friends it's been really
nice your Instagram has been on fire thank you um yeah it's been super fun I've walked
like a bajillion steps yesterday we had the cocktail party for the wedding and
then we went to dinner and then my friend was like let's do something out for dinner and I was like absolutely not have to go to bed so I slept for like 10
hours because it's been a lot a long trip but is it amazing being back in New York
oh it's so fun I love New York I know we've talked about this but it's great we've you know we can walk
everywhere I mean there's so many people I've seen more people in the past two days than I've seen in the past like six
years combined you know like number of volume of people walking on the streets there's so many people here
um obviously but no it's very nice nice so excited that tomorrow's Labor Day
um thank you spiritual oh I know me too oh I'm gonna have a long day tomorrow too I have to go oh wait so another
thing that happened is on the way here so my mom is watching the kids she drove from Las Vegas to Joshua Tree to watch
the kids an hour into her drive her car broke down so she calls me on Thursday or Wednesday
and she's like I'm on my way but my car just broke down I'm in the middle of the desert I don't know what to do and so I was like I'll come get you so she called
Triple A Triple A was like we'll be there in three hours it's like six o'clock good night so I was like I'm on my way when I was like an hour on my way
to get her she got her car working again because she called her ex-boyfriend who knows about cars
they looked at her engine together with over FaceTime and he found there was like a thing that was disconnected he
had to reconnect it and tie it with a plastic bag and she fixed it and then
she was driving and then I drove and we kind of met two hours in the middle and then I followed her home but um so it
was a long a long day to get here but I'm really proud of my mom oh my god oh yeah how on Earth would it take you less
time than three hours to have gotten to work she was in like the middle she wasn't Already There Yet like it was you know
what I mean yeah okay and then she drove two hours like wait I ended up driving two hours and I met her at a gas station
got it okay so what he's gonna say that much bad luck with cars man
I know but it but we're fine she did a great job I'm proud of her and you fly back one
tomorrow so um it's like tomorrow night and then we could drive home from Las Vegas because
we flew out of Las Vegas so we have a long travel day tomorrow too but today's a good day we had brunch for family and then the wedding
nice that's exciting that's a really good good little trip and it's barely all got to have a little romantic in a
way together and the weather's perfect so that's also really nice yeah but it's perfect
um cool well let's go ahead and record so we can get back to weekend Labor Day long weekend stuff and and instead of
seeing it from okay uh welcome to doing the availability podcast recovered two stories one
historical One True Crime about things that were due to fail I'm forged joined here by Taylor who is in New York hi
Taylor my words
so I assume that I go first today you do I go first okay then why don't
you tell us yeah you know I'm looking it up right
now and I cannot pronounce any of these
things that I got I wanted to find a drink from Indonesia um oh here here's one coconut water
let's drink coconut water I love coconut water that's what I'm drinking yeah that's awesome I I do and
I don't the last time I had it I was had morning sickness when I was pregnant with Lawrence and so it kind of makes me feel gross because it reminds me of that
but I used to that's true it didn't cause it but it happened to be there when it was happening
it's like me and Tequila the first time I got drunk my cousins got me drunk on tequila when I was like 16 and I took it
took like 20 years to drink kilo yum totally first ones always gross yeah yeah so I'm drinking what's referred to as a
dirty chai latte this is not I'm not familiar with this stuff and so you know you guys get a
coffee but these are really good if you haven't had your Instagram latte they're really good it's definitely the second time you told
me this I know I'm a broken record um so okay I'm gonna go into my story
and I'm gonna start by shouting out our favorite podcast last podcast on left
oh my God they did a special guest episode a q a with the best podcaster
ever Dan Carlin and it was awesome
no not yet I haven't had time but I'm gonna listen to on the plane ride home but I definitely was listening to last
week's episode like the question episode I think and they were they like were like yeah well the person we're
interviewing next week it's very special and I was like oh my God I know it's Gotta Be Dan Carlin it's Gotta Be You know
um so I'm so so [ __ ] excited for them it's the best if y'all if if folks don't
have never listened to it hardcore history in his um Hardcore History addendum and common sense of the three podcasts that he runs they're all
they're amazing it's one of those well researched most articulate way of like describing historical events and one
thing that they asked I'm gonna do a little bit of a spoiler one thing that they asked him I think it was Marcus or someone was somebody asked Dan why he's
so obsessed with context and that simple question spun into a
conversation that I was like whoa this it went in in directions I didn't
anticipate it was awesome it was incredible and it got me thinking about the topic of today so the reason I thought it was so
complicated and interesting and I'm totally paraphrasing what his point was on this and putting my own spin on it which basically he's
not look if you have all the contacts on any event that goes on it would never
end it would never end like one thing begins another begins another so you have to be right even in the context of
like history you have to be an editor in a way because you have to like have the cutoff Point like and then we start here
because otherwise it was just like it would be forever long and you know I actually really really
enjoyed that because it made me think about politics in particular where I was like if you actually go far enough back
with people's political beliefs and their families and everything it's like you could see that we're all like kind of the same we're not actually terrible
human beings um but that's a side that you got me it got me going in that direction but I
started thinking about that within the context of like our discussions here and so what I looked up was the most
trending topic in 2023 which is AI and I was like I wonder what is it in the
context of everything of like how we ended up at Chad gbt and board and where where history kind of starts that is
with a guy named Luigi Galbani who saw frond legs hanging in the local market
from copper Hooks and it would start twitching and this was like 1791. so that was like the first guy that was
like electricity is the thing that's running through our system that's making us and then that segued into
um that Segway into cybernetics which is a field of advanced Advanced control of electricity through networks then to
information Theory which goes in the storage of that information that Alan turing's theory on computation and all
that kind of culminated with this kind of concept like mechanical brain which is AI like that's like a brief example
of like context like going so far back sometimes that it almost even makes sense like we're starting with this guy
Luigi in Bologna looking at frog like switching and then we ended like the
understanding of like Ai and chai gbt so anyways I just want to put that as like a little bit on the side but I want
to go through another historical event this kind of recent and people know a lot about it but there's probably things
that people don't know about it so I'm going to go into the context of why this thing this historical event actually ended up happening um but before you
start my I want to let everyone know that my number one um strength finder is context
what strength finder it's like a thing where you like do a quiz and you get like five top of your top strengths minus context interesting
okay cool good um so what I'm going to be discussing is the 2008 financial collapse oh that's
exciting because it's kind of True Crime it's kind of history and there's a lot of factors that played into it and I
literally just watched Margin Call by accident last night and I got obsessed with it again
have you seen it before amazing I don't think so exactly
um is the boss oh I love Charming Islands no the one
I've seen the one what's the other one um about the housing crisis yes that's
in the big short so I'm gonna go into like the Great Recession itself like very very briefly again I think that people mostly understand what happened
so I'll just frame it this way historically housing prices have always gone up and the appreciation rate of a
home over the course of seven to ten years for example nationally is around 34 so it's always
a good no not always obviously it's mostly a good investment so we have been
consistently a good investment for a long time exactly and the reason they go up is because there's always more people
who want homes than there are homes available on the market or people who are credit worthy enough to acquire
homes and so the supply and demand side of it's always like they're there for uh that kind of growth and investors wanted
to put their money in the safest place possible so Banks started creating mortgage-backed Securities to sell these mortgages at a more profitable rate
given they were a safe bet so that's kind of like the initial start of all this
but the more of these mortgage-backed Securities Banks started issuing the
more they needed to issue to keep growing and so they dropped their requirements on credit worthiness to
bring in a different class of folks to buy homes and these are called mbs's mortgage-backed Securities and these
were usually at rates that were they were like teaser rates they're called adjustable rate mortgages and so
they would go into like a low low interest rate and then the insurer would adjust and then these people could not afford it and because they were not
super financially Savvy they didn't totally understand what was going to happen anyways and so what ended up happening is that these people would get
foreclosed on they go into defaults and then the supplied demand ratio of mortgages and homes and people buying
homes totally flipped and so people were now underwater on their homes all those safe bets that people made on mortgage-backed Securities went away
basically that was that was just a bit it makes sense right like it's you know it's not it sounds super complicated I
would assume right right correct no no that totally makes sense yeah there's a lot more to it there's another concept
there called the credit default swash which is basically insurance taken on these mortgage-backed Securities that
also take like a lot of horrible [ __ ] was kind of going on there but anyways so
that's just where we landed in 2008. I'm Gonna Go Far back enough to hopefully
provide the appropriate historical context for Dan Carlin and how we kind of landed here and so
it this stuff is so crazy because you see you see how it kind of plays out across like the political spectrum and
you're like okay it's always been like this like there is like it's It's All Uniform so I'm gonna start with Jimmy
Carter so in March of 1980 Jimmy Carter signed into law the depository
institutions deregulation and monetary Control Act of 1980 which is abbreviated as did MCA great name okay and not not
too long it's yeah like they were now marketers who came up with this so This
Bill had a ton of things in it and it's all like really really dry and boring so I'm not really going into it but the main part of it is that it helped what's
known as Savings and Loan institutions become more competitive in the banking industry so are you familiar with what
to say I didn't know what this was you know what these are um is it like a more local bank but
maybe not it's a type of bank it's a thrift bank is where they originally were called in like the 1930s which is
just a place to put Savings in that's it like that was their job and so back in the day this was just for
that you could you could get some personal loans here or there but from a regulatory perspective they're really
boxed in in terms of what they could do and how they could possibly make money and as a result when interest rates would go up depositors would withdraw
their cash to put them into other investment vehicles that would earn more more interest than a savings account
right so when Carter passed this law it basically opened up an opportunity
that provided for those the amount of Dera regulation that you're going to see
the Upstream effects of in 2008 because it opened the doors to Savings and Loan associations to start
um allowing people to take out traditional mortgages like what we'll consider today as a mortgage it would allow them to do
that it gets that on its own is irrelevant well it starts the process
but it's it's similar well then then in 1982 our old friend Ronald Reagan signed
a bill called the Saint Germain depository institution act
they need marketing specialist on these names he signed this thing into law and would this allow the financial
institutions to do was to um give them adjustable rate mortgages
Arrow arms essentially so the way an arm works is that the interest rate on the
mortgage fluctuate fluctuates with the federal federally set interest rate so for example during covet the Trump
Administration the feds there were they readjusted the they adjusted down the interest rate so for example I think the
interest rate was like 2.5 or something it was something I got my cost like two 2.75 interest it was like crazy cheap
money back then and I think now it's somewhere around seven percent like maybe 7.5 7.3 percent or some somewhere
around there but you're but you're locked into yours right I'm locked in yeah but if you had an adjustable one it
would be seven now yeah no matter how much money that is because if you look at your mortgages the first like 15
years your mortgage is basically just all paying interest and so when that registry adjusts
and so and but this was the start of it Ronald Reagan said in the salons in 1982
was kind of the start of that so yeah give me a second so in um listening on
Instagram where I'm obviously like this pops off my computer every once in a while where it's like oh something
terrible happening oh guess whose fault it is again we could like go back to see
this all three insult yeah yeah I mean that this this thing is weirdly deceptive I wrote
down here that um to me this was probably the biggest factor in this because if you look at
who who's taking out mortgages that they ultimately will not be able to afford that Banks aren't really regulating it's
going to people that don't understand this [ __ ] like they're not going to understand what federally set prime
interest rates look like and where they fall along then so they don't understand that like a two percent swing one way or
the other on your mortgage on a three hundred thousand dollar four thousand dollar house see a shitload of money and
so and so in my mind I'm like or they just don't yeah yeah oh they just like
don't no they don't even understand it but like they don't think about it because they can finally afford a house exactly
exactly that yeah and one thing so I read a CNN article that was published in 2007 and what that was right before
interest rates were about to reset and what it was talking about was it was it was calling out what was about to happen
it was like Hey like interest rates are about to be set like this is gonna have a dramatic impact because 80 of those
mortgages were arms arms mortgages and so it was a huge issue so the article
that I read went through a hypothetical that said that if you bought a house for two hundred thousand dollars in 2005 which is when all this was going on your
monthly payments would be about 9.55 per month when the loan resets it'll be
1331 dollars a month a 39 increase in your mortgage and again eighty percent
of these were adjustable rate mortgages and so that was that was a big part of it and again again to your point we can
kind of track everything back to round Bridge which is which is incredible one percent in that kind of impact on things
and to me the arm is like the most deceptive side of this um there's a
grocery part of this we're gonna get into here in a moment but that's the most deceptive part because it is taking advantage of people's inability to
totally understand what's what they're signing up for is that what was it was his reason to do
it oh this
yeah it all boils down to like the lobbies the banking lobbies because this
is this is like an attractive thing to a bank because you can think about that how cool would that be if I could sell
you something today for like nothing because you'll buy because it's nothing and then it's all upside on the on the
back half because I can just adjust their interest rate and then you have to pay me extra little money yeah yeah
um and then we get to 1999 which is when Bill Clinton signed into law the Graham leech Billy act which allowed this this
one's the most most [ __ ] up one so this allowed consumer Banks like regular depositor Banks to issue home loans and
then also operate as a financial institution on the back end so think of your credit union could take part in the
same Financial activity as Goldman Sachs that's what this is the reason I wrote this is like the most
messed up part of this is that if I'm the bank that is issuing you that
mortgage and also the bank that is selling that mortgage on the back end after you close then I'm on both sides
of that transaction which means that I have no incentive in operating in any
sort of like like I I'm always gonna make money on both sides of the transaction so I don't
really care if you're qualified for this mortgage because who cares I'll make my money on the back end when we when we
sell the the mobile the mortgage-backed Securities and so that was the biggest one this was a repeal of what's called
glass-steagall so in 1933 this bill called glass-steagall was enacted into law and what that was done that wasn't
specifically to break up the consumer side of things from the investment side of Banks and then Bill Clinton just
signed this thing and it's gone it's gone yeah yeah and then and then later
on um after this happened um Dodd-Frank was signing the law that put more protections around this and
even that now Barney Frank is trying to get that repealed so I don't know what's going on there but um Marty Frank is still alive yeah he's
still alive he's still alive and so there is a daily
episode where we're playing a lot of podcasts today so the daily is the New York Times uh podcast and that's like kind of how I start my mornings most
mornings is just listening to what they have to say and they did an episode about a month and a half ago on
Dodd-Frank and they interviewed Barney Frank who is now uh he was one of the main components like we need to like
punish these financial institutions and all that stuff and he uh he now is an
advisor for a bank and is trying to get Dodd-Frank repealed so he's lobbying and
advocating to Congress to get the bill that has his name on it repealed so there we go government as usual well
he's he he's young he's a young 83. he's a young spy 83 years old
um and so now I'm gonna get to like the
probably what seems like the least likely reason for why this ended up happening 9 11.
is that weird no so go ahead I'm not surprised so
I gave the yeah so the reason the Trump Administration reduced interest rates to
two and a half percent like I mentioned earlier is because they were trying to drive economic activity when covet hit when covet hit him he was scared
everyone was sitting at home nobody wanted to go out and buy things and the way you assimilate the economy is you lower interest rates people are like oh
cheap money I'm gonna go spend and then things change and now again like we're at seven and a half percent
so similar to what happened during covet the Bush Administration did exactly that during 9 11. so you know obviously the
entire country was ripped with fear and transactions weren't really flowing and all the terrible things that came out of
came out 9 11 happened I didn't know this when 9 11 hit the way Bush the
administration tried to simulate the economy they dropped interest rates to one percent which is which I think I I couldn't get
the exact number on this but from what I could see historical records you know the the charts show like the 30-year
um rates and it was like right after 9 11 it just like dropped to the ground and there was nothing that was lower
than that and so I think that that is the lowest interest rate the government has ever issued in the history of the U.S which is really interesting
so wow wait um wait I'm sorry I'm about to go to Dallas on on 9 11 and I hate
having to say it over and over again because you're like oh yeah we have to these meetings on the 11th and whatever
um but then I just was thinking about remember the best September 11th ever where we went to see it in the movie theater oh yeah with Jay right and I was
like yeah I was like this is the best September 11th because they went and got burgers at that one place and then we went and saw it oh yeah hell yeah yeah
man I think that theater got sold right Clinton turns you know about it I don't know but I know it used to be
like the Hollywood Babylon there's a whole bunch of stuff like that that specific part of land is really interesting yeah no no he I think right
about most police three that was the Egyptian we started Egyptian yes
I don't think I don't I can't remember about that or not but that was that was a fun that was a
fun day so but but basically so in 2000 when when 2001 when 9 11 happened
until 2003 interest rates stayed at one percent and so obviously everybody was
buying so there was a huge bubble there was a huge um uh spike in the supply
demand side of things in terms of people going out and trying to buy a house and that resulted in these financial
institutions saying we need to we need more people buying and so we're gonna
offer these adjustable rate mortgages and lower our standards there was I read these stories about how um
how they didn't even look at people's jobs they didn't even confirm employment
they did nothing because there was so much money in reselling these things that like they just didn't care and so
they expected them to fail yeah because because that's the part of it is like in everybody's mind they're
like who gives a [ __ ] if they do not if they don't pay it doesn't matter because the the house price is going to go up
anyways and we'll just go ahead and sell that property right like we don't who cares we're foreclosed on the seller
party but it doesn't work that way because if there's so much property on on in the market then the price and the
value of that property is it's under water you're never going to recoup your investment in that
so that was kind of like the historical piece of this and then it made me think of what Upstream impacts were there to
to what ended up happening so do you remember what else was going on in 2007 and 2008 I
graduated from a master's degree in 2007. did that have a global impact that
did not have a global impact 2007 2008 is when the presidential campaign of
Barack Obama and John McCain was running oh that's that little little boondoggle and
it's worth noting that I went through I did I did a lot of research in terms of what was going on back things I don't remember I mean I was active in politics
and stuff but I wasn't like working on it and so back in the day John McCain's claim to
fame had dealt with economics he had to deal with foreign policy like he was a foreign policy guy it had nothing to do
with his Acumen in economics and so there was a lot of things that happened
on that campaign that made Obama seem like super qualified to handle like an
economic downturn so for example there was one interview I saw John McCain being asked by a reporter how many homes
he owns and he literally tells the reporter he goes I'm gonna have to have my staff get back to you with an answer
to that the answer back then was seven they owned seven homes together and Obama released a political ad called
seven just talking about how out of touch McCain was with the rest of the country well well one in 200 Americans
was being foreclosed on at that time and this guy was like I don't know how many homes I own the other thing that he did
was he was he was in Florida doing a campaign stop when he said that the
fundamentals of the economy are strong the day Lehman Brothers filed for bankruptcy so I remember that day
because I worked in finance that day um
yeah I was in New York I worked at a hedge fund I knew people at Lehman and then all of a sudden all of our Lehman meetings were canceled and it was like
we're [ __ ] what was that like did you keep working I did but things were very different
well very different in that we used to go to the Bahamas every year and then we stopped you know like we used to like
kind of spend with this like Reckless abandon that you know my boss was like what do you mean I can't fly first class
to Asia anymore and I was like it's a 20 000 difference between a first class and a business class ticket can you justify
that and he was like and then we'd made him five business class you know like we were spending like just stupid amounts
of money um and then we stopped
so much of this stuff because you were there during 9 11 you were there when this happened too in my mind I was like
there's like Earth shifting moments and those were two of them we worked with
Lehman Brothers you worked with um bear Stearns was gone like just like people that we knew were just gone
in like a day how long did you keep working did you stay in the finance sector yeah I stayed
there till I left creation Builders so I said a couple more years wow okay yeah wild wild
um but that was kind of the impetus of this the impress would end up happening too was that he so Bush was the
president back then the Republicans were in power and so generally speaking when your party is a party in power when things are really really bad you don't
get elected and so I looked up the old polling results for
the 2008 election McCain went from 37 negative media coverage according to the
Pu Research Foundation to 53 negative the day Lehman Brothers collapsed and
then 70 by the time the second debate came around and the reason was almost exclusively the economy he just seemed
out of touch he seemed like his party was the one that was responsible for this and so made me think of like okay so you have Jimmy Carter signing this
law in 1979 it worked all the way up to this financial collapse in 2008 and then
what ends up happening if this didn't happen if you didn't have the all all that historical context building up to
this would Obama have been elected president probably not probably not because because he was like a young
whippersnapper like he was you know only two years in the Senate before he ran for president like you have McCain was
like obviously like if we didn't have Obama did we have Trump like there's so many things that like just stack on top
of each other who did we talk about or I talked about the guy messing up
in then Obama got elected because like Jack Ryan the guy here brother for the sex club I got tired of something
similar to that but there's that a couple things one I would like to officially repeal the 22nd amendment
because I want Obama to be president again because I love him I'm supposed to bring that man exactly
need him um also um do you remember when like Mitt Romney
was campaigning and like a kid was like bought some ice cream or something and Mitt Romney was like oh let me pay buy
your ice cream for you but he only had hundreds in his wallet that's awesome it really couldn't give the kid like a
dollar you know he was like he was like oh he tried to like burnt chocolate or something from a kid he was like oh we only have hundreds in my wallet which is
hilarious I'm like very out of touch and then a third thing is um we've been passing by um
the Trump Tower a couple times it's a great kind of where we are and my husband used to work on The Apprentice did you know that and he moved from
um he he used to do like camera work on The Apprentice and he had like you know been around Trump before and we're talking about like what if he had like
like if you go back in time you know and stop this person from being president mom would like be in jail but he'd be
like I saved the world what was wrong with you you just like did not save the world he'd be like yes I did he'd be
like Taylor because like we wouldn't have been together we wouldn't have had kids I was like you would have saved the world what does that look like so
mm-hmm here she met him wow that's wow interesting um
sorry oh Trump asked him to come back to the office and his limo and Juan said no who
knows what would have happened he wanted why did you want Juan to come back to the
I don't know it was like because I have to go back with the equipment or something but he was just like you could with me mom's like no
one thinks that he was gonna get no no I don't know actually assaulted
uh he's definitely a word that one and we're definitely gonna have a repeat of
the 2016 or no the 2020 election and 24 it feels like um but going back to the true Prime side
of this did you know that one person actually went to jail for the 2008 collapse did you know this
no who was it he's this poor bastard his name is Kareem Sarah geldin he is the only
person to have served a GL term for his role in this apparently at the time he worked for Credit Suisse and he
falsified records basically like overvaluing the prices of
mortgage-backed Securities just to make like more profit off of them and he ended up getting a sentence of 30 months in prison and having to pay back credit
Swiss 25 million dollars this guy made seven million dollars per year in 2008.
wow like what are we doing with our lives that's incredible I mean we're not gonna
go to jail I don't think we're not gonna go to jail but we could also be doing better um but yeah so that's it's kind of where
I ended things because it was you know again if you wanted to you could keep tying This Thread further and further
back I ended up researching the 1966 Savings and Loan crisis because that was
also like a part of this is like this the feelings the failure of all these City's loan institutions because they
couldn't compete which led to the Jimmy Carter like it's just being on top of thing on its own thing and the end
result is that America is a capitalist country and the number one variation of capitalism in
this country right now at the very least has to do with financial instruments and investment institutions and so
um there's a lot of reasons why these things are not regulated and we're constantly getting deregulated because
that's what we want apparently um so tpd I guess
what do you think's next I don't know what the bubble is gonna look like because we already had a tech
bubble we had a housing bubble um I don't know I don't know what's coming
but there's gonna be something in the in the movie Margin Call um
Jeremy Irons character was like the main CEO of this financial institution he enlists every Financial collapse and
it's like just it's like every decade to like 15 years like something hits and
you know we're kind of we're gonna do for one which it feels like we're in the middle of anyways it feels like the economy is pretty shitty right now like
every week we read about tech layoffs for example and so I don't know maybe we are in it
CBD I guess yeah it's a constant ebb and flow but it's interesting that people like
decisions and have policies that are like specifically to [ __ ] people over
yeah I mean that is obvious transparent thing of like the rich eating before is
you look at what these people make like this guy's making seven million dollars a year issuing these shitty [ __ ] mortgages that he knows that these
people can't pay but he knows they're desperate for a house and so they'll they'll do it and that is the most
predatory thing yes and they don't care because they're like it doesn't matter if you default
like if you foreclose the models tell us that we can just sell your property and we could recoup everything anyway it's I
don't know it's really yeah it's really gross totally it's so gross you're like a real person who's like ask me the
house it's terrible yeah yeah so um that's my story for today I do highly
recommend marginal call it's it's um if you want if you have YouTube look it up who doesn't um it's actually free on
YouTube that's how I started watching I was like scrolling YouTube and it was like recommended as a movie to me and it was free and I was like [ __ ] it let's
watch it and that's how you asked how you accidentally watched it yeah yeah it's with Kevin Spacey is with Jeremy
Irons uh Zach Quinto um it's really really good it's very moody it's it's essentially the gist of
it is that it is the 24 hours before the collapse hits and this one financial
institution is named they don't reveal discovers what's about to happen with like basically most of their assets and
yeah it was um it was and shows how the financial system works
which is not great yeah it's not great but that's my story today sorry for
making this a more stressful than usual call with Luna being a psychopath the reason is that Mrs pars and her dog are
out in that room and I'm in here and I need to keep the doors closed and she gets crazy because she can't get to me
but if she got to me she'd want to get to the dog and so anyways that's where that's where all the parking comes from
so apologize everyone no problem um sweet I'll go ahead is there any list
for a mail or anything there is did you see that the I guess if you're not getting the mill yet huh I
think you have to do something in your we need to look at our settings um Nadine emailed again
um and she is still listening up in Canada and had some um positive things to say about last
week's episode about the Catholic Church some stuff that like you know people maybe are don't want to say out loud but
they heard me say it and I'm excited about that so uh wait what was that she had some ideas to offered it to you
to be angry out loud about some of these things but sometimes it's nice to hear
it nice yeah and my friend Ben said um my friend Ben said baller takedown of the
Catholic Church as well we showed them uh yeah I don't know why I'm not seeing
I I was getting them briefly and now I guess I'm not getting them but yeah I'd love to read that um
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