Join us for episode 5! Today two exhausted hosts walk through two stories of patriarchs of families who do a lot of absolutely crazy shit! Taylor brings the story of Henry VIII and his six wives, lots of violence was promised - and delivered. Farz takes us south to the tell the gothic story of Alex Murdaugh and the crumbling of a southern law dynasty. Other good news: - Farz got a new microphone - Taylor would like to remind you that you control the speed in which you listen to podcasts - We're including a picture of the Mercer House from 'Midnight in the Garden of Good & Evil' we recommend the book and the movie even though Kevin Spacey is in it Follow us on Instagram & Facebook! @doomedtofailpod
Join us for episode 5! Today two exhausted hosts walk through two stories of patriarchs of families who do a lot of absolutely crazy shit! Taylor brings the story of Henry VIII and his six wives, lots of violence was promised - and delivered. Farz takes us south to the tell the gothic story of Alex Murdaugh and the crumbling of a southern law dynasty.
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Some Sources:
Lust, Lies And Empire: The Fishy Tale Behind Eating Fish On Friday
Anne of 1000 Days - the movie
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the only podcast in existence where we
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Advocate not killing your family I'm farz joined by my co-host Taylor and every week we'll bring you two stories
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one historical and one true crime of relationships that were doomed to fail and call out the red flags as we see
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them Taylor how are you doing today oh I'm good how are you I'm tired we're we are recording this
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incredibly late for our usual recording schedule because I spent the entire day moving and uh
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yeah I'm ready to just kind of collapse great well I'm glad that we're doing the
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wind wind down your day and then you can I don't know watch a movie go to bed unpack tomorrow yeah don't worry
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about it today yes and I also want to call out thanks to everybody who's been
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listening and who has been providing feedback especially about my terrible
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audio quality I have no idea how this is gonna actually sound once once I upload it but I will say that I now have a much
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more professional setup and hopefully it's going to sound a lot better than it did before in the past and you look great we gotta work on I'll work on my
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podcast face and we can get this on YouTube because you look very profession Mike the mic in the face it helps
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um I think in response to response to feedback um this is me talking slow America I am
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really trying hard so you can make me slower by lowering the speed of your podcast yeah Taylor has one speed and it's fast
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forward this is me trying this is me trying my absolute [ __ ] best for you right now absolutely
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so what is our signature drink gonna be this week cool so we have two drinks this week
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um one of them is a signature cocktail from South Carolina where our True Crime Story takes place it's sweet tea vodka
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so you see tea bags in a jar of vodka drink the concentrate let it sit for a few hours and then when the Vodka gets
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dark you can pour it over ice as in lemon juice simple syrup and then add some water or syrup as well because it's
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going to be just vodka and I told you that I have something to say about this because after college my roommate and I
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we bought a Brita specifically for filtering shitty vodka through so we
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would buy like the worst vodka possible put it through the Brita like six times then we put it into jars with like pears
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or tea bags or strawberries or like something and let it sit for like a few weeks and then it was freaking delicious
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and we just probably should be dead because we would drink like a teacup of like vodka the tastes like tea and it
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was delicious and um I hear that's really easy to over consume given how yeah because you don't
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really taste the vodka no it's just like delicious like the pear one was so good and you're like this is juice and you're
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like no no no no no you just drink a glass of vodka and now you're asleep yeah yeah this so I looked up the recipe
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for this and I was surprised at how detailed it was because I thought it
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would just be just take some vodka and pour some tea in it but no right no
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you're not like mixing it with like a pre-made like a Lipton no you're not you're creating a concentrate then you
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know the added syrup and lemon juice it's it's a whole thing it's a whole thing that's the Kiwa it's also the
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danger yeah yeah as with a lot of things Southern it is a little bit more ornate
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than one would assume I can't wait to hear more
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story um the drink Well mine's alcoholic too I try my best
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but I whatever my my drink for this um this episode is need have you ever had
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Mead it's like a sweet wine is it's not the thing Germans make right
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ways no in a crock pot no that's like a mulled wine okay I have
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no idea what it is so a meat is like a sweet wine that you like drink in like medieval times and I had Mead for the
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first time when I was studying abroad in London in grad school and my friends and I went on a tour of the Tower of London
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bought a bottle of mead and then drank it on a boat on the Thames so that's exactly where our story takes place so
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imagine yourself drinking Mead or sweet tea or whatever you want just in regular sweet tea no no booze and I will jump in
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to talk a little bit about Henry VII and his his Six Wives love it
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so six is a lot of waves we'll talk about maybe one in particular or a big sitting
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happen and a big change happened but I also want to give a little bit of like
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background into what we're talking about and where we are so Henry VII was born in 1491 and
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what do you know about Henry VIII and Berlin I only know Amber Lynn that's it okay and what happened to her
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she had to have been killed yes yes she was she was beheaded
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um so it was a little bit of beheading in this story and lots of blood I promise violence and I have violence
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in here but the reason committed yeah the reason that we're getting to the
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violence talking about this is like because Henry VIII couldn't get divorced and there's some reasons that he wanted
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to be divorced and we'll talk about those but I was like thinking why can't
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Catholics get divorced like God says no but like why like why is that the rule and I went to collaborative
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divorcetexas.com which has a really actually great history of divorce and
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other cultures are okay with it like we talked about with Pocahontas and cocoum so who wants like this couple in the
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village to be yelling at each other all the time no one so you let them get divorced and who cares in some places
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they make it really really hard and I'm like why do they make it hard and so from my like seven minutes of research
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on collaborative divorcetexas.com and being who I am I think it's just to control women because then if you can't
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get divorced then like you don't have to pay back the Dowry you don't have to like apologize for the things that
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you're doing to this person you can just like abuse them and everything is fine and you don't have to in my case that goes both ways but there's no like
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admitting to your guilt or anything you just like have to stay married and also they wanted to like make sure
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that like they were there that their kids were there so they're like adultery is a crime punishable by death so you
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have to only be with me and have my kids a lot of this is like thinking about your birth one and her being
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hereditaryly related to you know anyone in your line
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um which is dumb so I wrote down that this is dumb and I also was thinking
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about another Catholic theory that I have and I was thinking about why you can't eat meat on Fridays when
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you're a Catholic and I have this theory that is not backed by anything that like it's probably because the meat would be
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bad on Fridays and people were getting sick and they were like let's stop let's like make a reason for people not to eat
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meat on Fridays I don't know if that's true but that's like what I feel like it has to be an economic reason for all these roles you know
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it makes sense you know yeah so that's what I'm thinking but anyway economic or control of
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others people yeah exactly yeah exactly so I was just like on a rabbit hole thinking about that and I found an
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article on NPR called lust lies an Empire the fishy tale behind eating fish
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on Friday and it was actually Henry VIII is actually I was just thinking about
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that because I was thinking about Catholicism but Henry VII is actually tied to eating fish on Fridays so in
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before all of Henry VII's stuff like leaving the Catholic Church you would only you would eat fish on Fridays you
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wouldn't eat meat and it was because you couldn't eat anything with a womb for whatever reason really wait that was
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the reason that you had yeah fish yeah that was a justification yeah and so
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like in the article they're like I guess you could eat a lizard but like no one wants to do that so they were eating fish I mean yeah I didn't know fish okay I
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never thought about it neither and I don't I don't know I'm thinking like within where do the eggs live I don't know I
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this is I don't know rabbit holes whatever so but actually so
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fish is super easy to take on the road so you could dry fish and go on the boat for six months and like eat dried Cod
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for that whole entire time and so people were doing that and going and like you
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know using it a lot when like you know there wasn't a lot of um like other meat available but once
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the there's so many Catholic holidays where you couldn't eat meat so you ate fish and so after Henry VIII left the
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Catholic church people could eat meat again and things got really really bad for the fishing industry and they were
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pissed because they were like well because if you come down to it people would choose a hamburger over a fish you
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know and people yeah people were like oh okay I'd rather do this and so then Henry the eighth son when he becomes
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king later in our story brings back the no meat on Fridays so people to help the
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fishermen which I just thought was interesting and then another thing that I thought was fun is in the 1960s the pope
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um relaxed some of the rules on eating fish in and eating meat on Fridays and
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then that also was a big blow to the fishing industry so what happens over and over again when like the church
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makes these roles and they have like huge economic impacts um and then
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the filet-o fish at McDonald's was invented thinking about the Filet-O-Fish I'm sorry that's literally why I was
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invented there was a guy who owned a McDonald's franchise around in a big Catholic neighborhood and he wasn't
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getting a business on Fridays so he made a flea fish so did you know what the precursor to Filet-O-Fish was what it
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was grilled pineapple between buns yeah that sounds terrible you play I mean
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I've never had a flea I don't think I want to have buffalo fish so I wanted to
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my mom loves them and I was like nervous I was gonna like them and like always want one and then I have one with my mom
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and she was like this is not the best Flair fish I've ever had and so she wants to try it again because the one I had was not very good yeah I'll get
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around to it you know once I've exhausted all the McRibs then maybe I'll try a Filet-O-Fish there's cheese on it
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which I don't know that's weird yeah yeah yeah yeah um so anyway that's a little bit of
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history about fish in the Catholic church but there's all these rules so we're in a time period did other world
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where the Catholic church has a lot of power and there's a ton of rules so on October 31st 1517 Martin Luther starts
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the Protestant Reformation so people were paying the Catholic Church to get into heaven because of course they were
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and at the same this is the same time that all this stuff is happening with Henry VIII and basically Henry V is
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saying throughout this whole story well I'm the king and God does what I want so whatever I want to do is what God wants
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my understanding of the royalty is that that is kind of the Assumption is that I'm here because I was chosen to be here
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yes exactly so he's going to use that when he's like making his decisions to change
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some things about the church and then I wrote what are the differences between Protestant and the
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church of England and Catholicism and then my next bullet is I don't care like I don't know I kind of looked it up it's
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like there's always like matrices of like very like beliefs that people believe and and
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whatever so either way there's differences and there's reasons why people move to different ones and so
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people are leaving the church for various reasons so I want to pause here before I actually talk about Henry VIII
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and all of his wives this can be like a nine Hour podcast I'm gonna do it in like 10 minutes so we're really gonna
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like rush through these these ladies but these relationships are all all doomed
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and I wanted to pause and talk about the royal family in England because while
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researching this I was like actually good for you Meghan Markle for saying out loud that this shit's dumb because
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it's always been dumb but like people haven't said it in a while maybe in like hereditary lines to power are dumb like
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even like our most recent Queen Elizabeth she was only in line for the throne because her
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uncle who was the first one in line married someone else I had to quit you know so you do you know I was born in the UK
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yeah I was born in Newcastle England and I had zero interest or affiliation with
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anything that has to do with the core of the UK which is the royal family I never
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cared don't know I have no idea what the genealogy looks like what any of that like who succeeded who because of
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whatever reason like it's all foreign to me and I I kind of like it I kind of don't think that my brain needs to apply
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itself towards learning that [ __ ] no literally who cares it's really dumb and so I mean long story Elizabeth who just
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died her dad was the king but he was only the king because his brother who was the king before him wanted to marry
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a woman who had been divorced and they wouldn't let him and so he quit being King to marry this Like Other Woman
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but like his kids would have been in line Elizabeth was in line so it's just like any little thing could like move
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these lines around and whatever so Henry is like one of the last kings in the House of Tudor I don't know what that means it's like very complicated but
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it's pretty much just like the rich get richer so The King's Speech wasn't that
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guy the one that took over because the other guy wanted to marry the divorce woman yeah yes and then wasn't she a
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Nazi or something Wallace Simpson I don't know
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okay maybe it was like more he has some Association or affiliation with like
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empathy I don't know I'm I'm probably talking about my ass absolutely let's not I'm probably gonna cut this out I
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know I think that that I think you might be right that is ringing some Bells because I do know that like
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um JFK's dad was the ambassador to England during that time like during right before World War II when he was
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like let's just hear what Hitler has to say come on yeah it's a problem I believe you know so that's not great so
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possibly possibly but either way it's all
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it's all [ __ ] [ __ ] cousins and just you know marrying it ugh yeah ugh so many people
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are about to die like for money it's real them but but anyway so here we go so Henry the
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8th is actually the second son of King Henry VII he's born in 1491 and his
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brother Arthur is set to take the throne so Arthur the older brother marries Catherine of Aragon
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she's from Spain she's really young like a teenager and she marries uh she
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marries Arthur and that marriage is never consummated and I don't really know why it sounds like they were just
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young and like didn't really know again like what to do or were able they weren't able to do it and I believe that
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because Catherine of Aragon is a very very Catholic and what happens next depends on like her honor and her her
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virtue and all these things so I believe her when she says that that was not consummated because Arthur dies pretty
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young before the marriage was consummated so the King King Henry VII still wants to
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have an alliance with Spain because that's really important for money so he
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marries his second son Henry to Catherine and they get around that by saying that because the first marriage to Arthur was never consummated that
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Catherine can marry Henry and Henry becomes Henry VIII so much revolves around
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virginity and like Purity and it's just like oh my God so dumb so she swears up
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and now she's a virgin it's okay they um so I have a little timetable so at
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this point his first wife Catherine she's 24 and Henry the 8th is 18. so she's actually older than him because
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she had been married to his older brother so she's older than him when they get married and they're married for like 23 years so they're married for a
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long time during their relationship they have one child it's a girl boo girls no one wants a girl and it is Mary and Mary
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becomes like Mary Queen of Scots Bloody Mary the one that will that is like in
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the history of books for wanting to keep like Ireland and Scotland and parts of the UK of the UK whatever Catholic
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so her mom was very Catholic Mary's very Catholic she is the first daughter of Henry VII
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but there's no sense bloody so this is the Mary that you can say Bloody Mary in
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the mirror three times and she shows up oh that's like a weird ghost
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but Bloody Mary is like the violent Queen they just have the same name
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like I don't think it's like Mary could have Scots that comes up in the mirror I think it's like someone else I might be confusing this with Candyman
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oh uh so good we can we can just talk about that oh I think candyman's a love
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story I can talk about that later it is oh for sure it is yeah yeah same page we don't have to argue this
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great see the second one but so
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married to two Aragon she he's he's the king she's a little bit older and he needs the son
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and he's like why won't God give me a son why won't my dumb wife give me a son why can't she just do it like that's
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possible to just like be like oh I'll give you something I choose Sun this time but the part the part that's
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confusing is that they all need daughters for these alliances so why are they pissing their daughters it's true
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and he's like I don't want to talk to her and you're like why like I watched a movie from the 60s called Anne of a
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thousand days with Richard Burton playing Henry the 8th and it's real good and like real dramatic but he definitely
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is like I will never talk to this daughter I hate her you're like but you're right they need to have daughters anyway because they have to like sell
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them off yeah and like one yeah short-sided these people are very short-sighted agree so he's super upset
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he wants a son um he's obviously in the meantime having a bunch of Affairs and as we'll see that
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adultery is punishable by death unless you're him of course like he can do every once but like the woman would is
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for death so he gets a woman named Mary Bolin pregnant um guess who Mary Bolin is yeah
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I can't hear you oh I'm muted myself on accident okay I think that would be Anne's sister it's
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her sister so he gets her sister pregnant she's like one of his Mistresses which is super gross and
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he also gets another and so she has a son actually named Henry Carey but he doesn't really want to marry her and he
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couldn't marry her anyway because she's not a virgin which is so dumb because you're like it's it's your faults
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well who was it a virgin Mary Berlin because she was having an
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affair with Henry he didn't want to marry her and he's already married and all these things so he didn't like take that extra effort to marry Mary Berlin
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she just had like a bastard child and so it didn't she had to have been a virgin
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even if she was a virgin when they started hooking up I think it's like a
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little bit of that and actually maybe a little bit more of like he was already married and didn't want to go through all the
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hullabaloo of like legitimizing this child which okay I don't really know why yeah
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all right it sucks to be Mary Bolin it's just I think that's the takeaway yeah
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sounds like yeah so I should be married to this guy or in his orbit it sounds like yeah and I feel like a red flag is
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like if got your sister pregnant and abandoned her he's not a good match yeah yeah
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that's that's a that's a big red flag also Henry also has another son um with
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another mistress And that son is also named Henry another Henry Fitzroy and that's only one he acknowledged for
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whatever reason but he became like a duke or something but wasn't in line to be king because he wasn't
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an official child so he's definitely like out there like having babies but he's sick and tired of
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having no Sons with his wife and he the only thing he can do is get it involved because he's can't get divorced because
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of the Catholic Church and they really won't let him like do anything so all of a sudden he's like
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I'm sure that Catherine's up with my brother when they were married and that she'd been lying to me for 23 years
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so because of that he can say that makes Catherine of Aragon his sister because
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she slept with his brother and that makes it incest and that makes it a nullable that is so many leaps in logic so many
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leaps and so dumb but he actually gets gets it ends up leaving the Catholic
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Church to be able to officially just make it a divorce because the church will give him an element because they're like that's dumb and they won't give him
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a divorce because they don't do divorces so this is when he starts the Church of England and becomes head of the church specifically so he can get divorced and
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that's like eighth grade history you know the fact that you could start your own
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religion and get people to kind of convert over to he's a cold leader he's almost a co-leader yeah absolutely
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similarly so many people are gonna die and he gets to sleep with everyone he's exactly a co-leader exactly right yeah
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so poor Catherine is like this is BS like I never that's not true it's my virtue but
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she gets kind of exiled back to where she came from and until her death She's like I'm I'm the rightful Queen of
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England and she wants her daughter Mary to you know go back and roll and make England Catholic again which she does in
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some way shape or form via violence so
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now that he can get a divorce and I'm thinking like why is he doing this like
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this is crazy it's so much work and so much violence and it's just because she
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can't have a son and he really really needs one like he really really needs that legitimate son or
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you know he's going to lose his line and lose his like heirs to the throne so he can't like
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he has to have a legitimate son so he has like really no other choice so
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he meets a lady in waiting before he gets divorced of course um it's Mary bolin's Sister Anne Boleyn
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so Anne Boleyn is really like the reason that he did all of us because he wanted to marry her in and not be married to
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Catherine of Aragon anymore so Anne Boleyn she was like of like
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mid-level status she spent some time in France comes back to to England the king like falls in love with her you know
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whatever that means and eventually like maybe she loves him too maybe it's a power thing and by the time they get
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married she's already pregnant with his baby but it's like okay because he's divorced a lot of so many songs yeah yeah a lot
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of you have to do for this so she has a people in England are mad because I actually really loved
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Catherine they saw how devout she was like what a good wife she was so they're pissed and like annoyed that he's married to Anne Anne is either
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32 or 26 when they get married it's like not clear how her exact date and Henry
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is 42. so if she's 32 and he's 42. I feel like that's fine that's
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reasonable yeah so they get married and she's pregnant right away and she has
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guess what baby kind of baby she has uh I would assume inbred
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well it's fine but it's a girl so obviously we have another girl and
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her name's Elizabeth and Elizabeth is actually going to be Queen Elizabeth like the first Queen Elizabeth and a
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whole bunch of crazy stuff happens with her but is a whole other story so can I interject here yes please
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so there's been female monarchs yeah
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like why do you have to have a son if you're the king because
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as we just you just explained you're my daughter could also be the head of
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state right and she does become that but I guess I don't know if that was the rule before this maybe before this it
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was all just all Sons
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because you'll see later that they like have to change it they have to give it to Elizabeth if that was the case then
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it kind of does track given like where Humanity was at that point in time that it was easier to invent a church to try
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and get a divorce than it was to change the rules and let a female be the head of state exactly so
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I wanted to bring this up later but I'll bring it up now I'm a Disney Channel they have speaking of Disney on Disney
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Channel they have these like really funny five-minute videos of Olaf from Frozen retelling fairy tales and it's
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like just him manifest all the characters and it's really funny and he does Aladdin and in Aladdin he's talking
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about how Jasmine can't be can't be the ruler because she's a woman and he goes he's like well it's too bad your dad
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can't change the rules that he literally made up you're like of course that's exactly the point yes
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so yeah so he has a son he has Elizabeth and Elizabeth and her half Sister Mary
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later we'll we'll start a bunch of Wars about um religion but not yet for now
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um Anne is trying to have another baby but tragically there's a bunch of miscarriages and some stillborn babies
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so she does give birth to a son but he is born stillborn and right now I'm
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thinking like why wouldn't she just buy a baby
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from someone like what do you do that if like if you're like I all have the only thing I
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have to do is make a son why don't I just like find another white dude and buy a baby from him number 10 is mine
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you're making out you're kind of doing like a Henry the eighth situation here where you're making a lot of leaps in
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judgment and assumptions here like there is somebody out there who's like transacting babies and
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and also like what happens because you in theory have either faked a pregnancy at that point or you actually are
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pregnant then you got to dispose of that baby it just gets really complicated it feels like I guess I guess you're right I guess
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that makes sense it does it is also more Game of Thrones because you know how in Game of Thrones there's always like babies but you're guaranteed some how to
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have your dad's hair color color in Game of Thrones oh yeah for sure for sure like but like um Elizabeth and Henry the
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eighth actually both have red hair so I guess you can find another Ginger and be like this one is yours Henry you know
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whenever you were describing is plan on getting annulled the whole
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incest thing I forgot for a moment that we're talking about a king and so this was not
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somebody just sitting around like waxing poetic on its own this was probably a
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team of like the most elite members of society trying to divide us away
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you could probably you could probably bring that tag team back together to figure out how to sell a child and buy a
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new one yes now I'm back I'm she said I could go
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either way but I feel like it wouldn't work out but either way she never has a boy and Henry's like this is
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this is [ __ ] I have to leave he's already like um eyeing someone else one of um one of
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her ladies in waiting and so now he wants to divorce and but he's embarrassed a little bit he's
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like we're having a divorce like this isn't gonna work and she won't do it but he charges her with having a bunch
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of Affairs and one of the podcasts I listened to about her life they were saying that she totally had all these
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Affairs but I don't believe that because that would literally be life or death for her you know so I feel like I would feel like she'd be more likely to buy a
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baby than to have an affair because as you'll find out like she gets killed for having an affair that she didn't even
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have so she yeah hey spoiler alert and dies so he had he accused her having an
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affair and he wants a divorce and in Oregon annulment because of that and she won't
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do that because if she does then Elizabeth is out of line to be Queen so if they get divorced or annulled then
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that like delegitimate legitimalizes I don't know legitimatizes their marriage
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legitimizes legitimate whatever so they do that then Elizabeth is no longer in line for the throne and she won't do
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that so they accused of adultery they they uh declare that she's guilty and
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her and and like five dudes who are accused of having an affair with her including her brother are all executed so the dudes are executed by ax and then
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Henry does one favor for her and gets a fancy fresh French executioner to use a
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sword and do like one Swift why is that a favor because otherwise it was like an English
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dude hacking your head off oh so it was going to take a lot longer yeah got it yeah so like the top
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executioner to do it so Ann dies and the next day Henry gets engaged to one of
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her ladies in Waiting Jane Seymour so I always think it's hilarious that James Z Moore is also the name of the
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actress who plays Dr Quinn Medicine Woman I was gonna say that sounds so familiar is that like is this weird that's her name and then there's also
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this Jamesy Moore in history but third wife Jean Seymour Henry is you
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know allegedly in love with her she does have a son so this is his son
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um Edward he'll he will be King Edward VII eventually or the sixth oh my God Roman rules
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everyone sex later so it's plague time so the people don't really get a lot of time with uh with Jane but she's around
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and they seem to like her she's a very dutiful wife and unfortunately after she
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has Edward she dies a couple months later from complications of the birth so that's another thing of like having
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babies is really hard even now but even then it was just like awful and disgusting it was probably an infection
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um that ended up killing her so that must have been really painful and awful so Jane dies and Henry's sad but he needs
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to make more babies he's have a backup son he's that spare he already has one and he marries a woman named Anne of
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Cleves so Anne of Cleves is his fourth wife and let's look at this my thing so when he married Jane Seymour she was 28
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and Henry was 45 so we're starting to see a little bit of a gap Anne of Cleves when they get married is
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25 and Henry's 49. so that's a little gross yeah so
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um Anne doesn't speak English she only speaks German but she
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is um brought by Henry's advisor Cromwell and sets them up and eventually crumble
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will die because Henry doesn't like this marriage and so he kills is like one of his oldest friends because of this but that marriage was never consummated
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between Henry the 8th and Anne of Cleves and it's for a couple reasons that people think it was one he just like
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couldn't do it because he was old ER and starting to
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you know lose his veracity and you say 48 yeah but he was also like really
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overweight and like it was the 1500s so I feel like I don't
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know 48 is probably like 82. yeah yeah that's not great he's like he's not great at this time and she's doesn't
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really know what's going on either so they definitely had a thing where like she was like oh he kissed me and her ladies in the waiting were like that's
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not gonna do it hon like that's not gonna I'm not gonna make me be that way I read a thing about him forever ago
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that I don't know if it's true or not but I heard that towards the latter stage of his life he was so overweight that they had to create these mechanical
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devices to just move his body around like he wasn't able to like actually be ambulatory on his own he definitely has
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an infection from like a hunting accident in his legs and his legs produce so much pus he has to wear a
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different pair of pants every day so so much detail so [ __ ] gross
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so he's not in like the Pinnacle of Health at this moment and so he uses his
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poll and says I need his marriage adult because I'm not gonna have Beauty like they have some very pretty and pause
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it was cutting out the audio was it's choppy okay great is it back yeah yeah it's
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back you like go back to after the pus thing okay so they now Henry wants us
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marriage adults because he's like we're not having sex We're not gonna have a baby I don't think she's very pretty I don't really like her she doesn't speak
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English and she she is I know okay
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um there's a story that like maybe the the painting he got of her was like a little bit generous so he was like this
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isn't what I expected and oh that's right he would have gotten a painting of her you know like he like didn't know
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you'd like in a painting and be like I guess this person looks fine yeah I guess I'll marry them and he
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also she was engaged when she was like six it's like another like political thing and he used that as a reason for
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the annulment as well because he was like she you know wasn't she was never mind to begin with whatever so that one
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actually got annulled that divorce annulled and he gave he gave Anna Cleve some money and she got to live out her
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life she actually became good friends with him afterwards like once their marriage was over they became friends and she was you know really good friends
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with his children as well so she's kind of in the picture later she wants to marry him again and they're like he's like no yeah
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just like around um so
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and now he needs to marry someone else and he wants to marry someone like smoking hot to prove that he can like have sex with someone so he finds
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another lady in waiting and her name is Catherine Howard so she's his youngest bride she's 16 and he's 49 when they get
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married so that's gross Catherine Howard is very pretty she has a history of
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flirtation so she allegedly went to this um all-girl school when she was very young they had a reputation for like
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letting boys sneak in at night you know like Teenage stuff and she doesn't have
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any kids with him they're not married for very long and she probably does have an affair with one of his guards named
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Thomas Culpepper so Henry finds out and he's pissed and he doesn't want to be made a fool again so he charges her with
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adultery and there's some people who confess that they've seen her with Thomas and so everyone gets their head
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cut off Catherine her friends who were like her the Witnesses on the stand
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Thomas's head gets cut off and it gets put on the London Bridge on display which is fun
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that is fun Taylor you know like that's fun so they're all they're they're dead
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that's the last one that's the fifth wife and then his final wife her name's Catherine Parr she is so this means he's
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worried of all of his wives 50 or Catherine's 33 are ands and 17 are jeans
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so he just wear like a lot a lot of Catherines and Captain Parr is a widow she's been
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married two times before not seven like that song and she was involved in the education of Henry's children she was
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very smart she published books on prayer I think she's one of the first women in England to publish a book so super smart
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and when he went traveling he would leave her in charge they were never gonna have kids because at this point
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well she was an old maid at 31 and he was 52. so they probably weren't gonna
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have any kids but he wanted to like have a companion so he was married to her so for this time I wrote he's leaking
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he's not doing well and there's other I mean obviously during this whole story
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there's like huge political things happening that I'm not even talking about we're talking about like this man's desire to have an heir and his
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desire to continue to be king so Henry dies in 1547 he leaves her
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money so he leaves his last wife Catherine some money and she marries Jane Seymour's brother so Jane Seymour
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the wife who had died after childbirth her brother marries Henry the sixth wife and
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it's a counter that she really loved him and like that's this was the person that she had actually wanted to marry this is her fourth marriage because her first
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three husbands died and it sounded that'd be really fun except it does sound like that they got Elizabeth Queen
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Elizabeth as a child to look after her and the husband wants to marry her so he
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like molest slash quartz her which is very young
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um while he's married to Jane which is terrible and she um Elizabeth has like
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tons of problems growing up and a lot of it probably is because of this abuse that she suffered at this time living with her dad's
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um like widowed wife and her step uncle it's very confusing so it's
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so I mean that's the thing that okay so this is why like I said earlier I never
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go deep or have gone deep on royalty and royal families is because it's so
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weirdly interconnected it's like this guy is [ __ ] like related to that guy with his sister married that Uncle and
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the cousin and it's just yeah it's confusing yeah and then either way poor Jane does die at the age of 36
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she gets pregnant which is a surprise because she's 36 and um she dies
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after childbirth as well because having babies is awful yeah and so she does
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from that eventually too and so I mean the moral of the story is what
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happened is there's no moral what happened is Henry VII needed an error and he did anything he could to get it
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so his son that he his Edward his son did become king when Henry VIII died he
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was only king for a few years and then he died he was a teenager when he died and then his sister Elizabeth became
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Queen because she was officially the next in line because Mary was not
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because their parents her parents had gotten divorced so um the good news is Anne Boleyn
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did get executed for a reason she knew why she was doing it and she was doing it so her daughter could become Queen
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and she did so she got what she wanted like later in life so good for her except she died really young and
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tragically and yeah
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do you think that when your head gets cut off that you are still awake for like a couple seconds I hope so I hope
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so I mean I know I think that's probably the better way to be killed isn't it I mean
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it sounds Swift when it's Swift I don't like the whole hacking at your neck thing that you mentioned earlier
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yeah I hate that do you do you think that if you were in
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that position do you think the people who are royalty those in those days they've ever had moments where like why
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am I doing this like I can just like sell fish like how much how hard would it be to sell fish nobody's trying to kill me nobody's
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trying to poison me I don't have to be executed because I'm not having Sons like I don't know I feel like I I feel
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like a simpler life would be preferred yes and no I feel like now you can
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easily be like Prince Harry and be like I'm gonna go live in L.A and like calm down but I think then if you weren't
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like in the court you were like living in a pile of [ __ ] yeah yeah you
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know like London was like disgusting and it was like plague time and
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so I don't know I feel like there was a big jump between a regular person and
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royalty like bigger I mean now it's a huge jump but I feel like even then it was like even worse yeah
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but I don't know I mean the reason Game of Thrones is as
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popular as it is is the sheer Intrigue and [ __ ] that goes on it's just like a byproduct of being in that position
39:45
it's just it's fascinating because all the stuff that's happened that happens like I mean minus the dragons
39:52
and like other magical things it's also if it's happened and like we're super fascinated I think as like a
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um right now in our media with like Medieval Time living I mean there's Game of Thrones there's the Lord of the Rings
40:05
that are kind of like medievally I watched a willow which was a delight there's you know it's always something
40:10
that you want to to feel it's like courtly thing my husband was watching Star Trek and it kind of felt courtly
40:16
like they're like kings and queens and all this stuff so I don't know people love that [ __ ] I am recently there so
40:25
recently these Markets started up in Austin that I now regularly attend and
40:30
they're witches markets and it has the air of a Renaissance Fair it's it's so
40:36
fun it's just people go yeah people just make stuff and then they show up and they have little booths and that yeah
40:43
like this this necklace is from wishes yeah 15 bucks what's it supposed to do
40:49
supposed to do something no it's tiger's eye it's supposed to just be like a good luck thing oh yeah I have some crystals
40:55
here yeah yeah I got this black one that's supposed to like calm me down and like help me Focus
41:01
like I don't like obviously like why would I system my belief to believe that this could do this when I'm like very mad about belief in general but I don't
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[ __ ] know stop just hanging out on my crystals I gotta I got a big Crystal too
41:13
from the wishes Last Wishes thing I love it I want to go next time that sounds really fun hey
41:19
you brought up Megan and Harry I probably have a controversial opinion about that what is it
41:26
like you know what the [ __ ] you're getting into I know yeah and it's like it's like it's not the role of a spouse
41:33
to like show up and just derail everything that you have known and
41:38
you're I'm not saying that I'm not saying that it's good I'm not like defending the royal family by any I mean
41:43
yeah like if I'm if I'm married into [Music] like a old-timey family that was like
41:51
that's just how they've that's all they've known and it's like no you're gonna change how you're gonna be and
41:56
this like who are you like hey I totally agree I felt that way until yesterday when I
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like maybe I'm losing 20 on her side but I'm like yeah this is kind of dumb and like it's about how it ended so like if
42:09
you can be a part of that ending after all these like hundreds of years and like millions of people dying for no reason then like that's great so I kind
42:16
of felt a little bit on her side for just a second yesterday but most of the time I feel like that like Kate Middleton understood the assignment yeah
42:23
you just like be pretty and do charity work I think she did like a disservice to her
42:30
husband which is like abandon like be Outcast from everything you know
42:36
because like because Diana his mom was also like their their family was also a
42:41
royalty of some kind like it wasn't just a coincidence that him and her and the
42:47
[ __ ] doofus looking guy whatever the king now got together like there was a reason for that like they were intense anyways whatever
42:54
it's like that's why it's like all for like political purposes and like all these things and like very silly and I I
43:01
um I'm gonna try to flip my my skepticism to being to enjoying what
43:08
Megan's doing because I'm like [ __ ] these guys you know yeah yeah I'm okay with it but I wasn't until yesterday
43:14
when I was thinking about all this stuff and I was like man if Amber Lynn could have like had a podcast she'd be like
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what the [ __ ] is going on yeah
43:25
don't get married to try and change that person yeah 100 100
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um awesome thank you for that um I do want to call it the fact that I
43:37
feel a little bit low energy today given the fact that I spent all day moving and so I will
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um try to liven myself up as I started shaking okay I'm ready moving sucks
43:50
yes so it sucks it's so bad I know it's the worst every time I give like a
43:57
bag away to like the thrift store or to charity or whatever I'm like this is a bag that I don't have to move in the
44:03
future I'm always like happy to get rid of stuff so far between the two houses I've done eight runs personally with my
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pickup truck today a giant mover took pretty much whatever was left I
44:17
still am gonna have to go do like two three more runs at the old house like it is yeah anyways I'm ranting it's not
44:25
reflective of what we're talking about here anyways so let's get on to the True Crime Story of the week and I gotta tell
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you Taylor and I've told you this I texted you about this last night I absolutely just love this story so much
44:38
it just feels so old-timey and Southern and not like a Texas Southern way and
44:44
like a really like just gritty [ __ ] up Southern way well I think that you know
44:49
I know that one of our we want to like you know tie our episodes together but I also want to like surprise you with what
44:55
I'm telling you so I have to figure out how we do that but I do think that there is a connection between these two
45:00
stories because it's about like dynasties and people who need to be in charge right yeah that's actually a
45:05
really good way to put it so also just so everybody knows me and Taylor don't talk about our stories beforehand but for the most part so last night I texted
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Taylor that I'm really excited about today's podcast because it's about this particular family and this was a huge
45:18
news and me and Taylor pow out about it years ago when it first came out and so she does know the topic of this
45:24
conversation but for the most part we don't actually discuss it but getting back to this family this is the story of
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the Murda family Murda Murdock you're supposed to know
45:37
I didn't do that enough research I'm gonna go with Murdoch family because because it's
45:43
[Music] d-a-u-gf like laugh with a D so murdoth sounds right to me fine okay
45:51
whatever this is the story of the Murdoch family and I can't stress enough that this is
45:56
an actual true story it's gonna it's gonna spear into like [ __ ] Scooby-Doo territory but it's actually like a true
46:03
story with like a really really real family it has the ambience and Intrigue of
46:09
Midnight in the Garden of Good and Evil I love Midnight in the Garden Hall
46:15
oh my God I love it I was talking to someone years ago and they said Savannah am I like I went like ah and then like
46:22
have you been to Savannah and I was like no I just [ __ ] love Midnight in the Garden of Good and Evil so what yeah so
46:29
um I've read the cliff notes of it and actually like it feels like something I should probably make in that like
46:35
incorporate into an episode at some point because it's a fascinating tale amazing characters it's
46:41
just which I'm going to actually get into here in a sec so in general
46:46
Southern Gothic Vibes have always intrigued me um
46:52
you're not from the South Taylor I'm not you and it but given we literally just
46:57
said I think the answer to this is yes but when I say so or not yes like I think you're gonna have an answer for this when I say Southern Gothic what
47:04
comes to mind immediately was the season of American Horror Story were there witches in New
47:10
Orleans is that close you know what I thought of Have You Ever Seen The Skeleton Key
47:16
yes with Kate Hudson yeah it's witchy yes gritty it like
47:22
I love it so much um it's just so humid that's my only that's my only
47:28
problems lots and lots of mosquitoes so Southern Gothic is defined as literature stories movies Etc that include a
47:35
presence of irrational horrific and transgressive thoughts desires and
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impulses grotesque grotesque characters dark
47:46
humor and then overall angst-ridden sense of alienation oh what's a y right I love it yeah and
47:54
this story is all of that it is all of it I I'm so excited about this one
48:01
um side note I I obviously did a deep dive into what like Southern Gothic is examples of Southern Gothic literature
48:07
and content um and I was wondering what is the
48:13
corollary to that in the north and there isn't actually
48:19
I don't know exactly why that is but in general it's considered an American Gothic is the closest corollary to
48:25
Southern Gothic [Music] I mean I imagine here's a here's a I
48:31
would think like the history of the South is different in the history of the North
48:38
you know and like they from the very beginning they were divided over
48:43
a whole bunch of stuff mostly slavery but obviously like they you know lost
48:48
that big old war they can't get over and like it's like maybe that is like a cloud so I actually have a paragraph in
48:56
this outline that I sketched at or crossed off that's all about why Southern Gothic exists in the way
49:04
that it exists tying that directly to essentially not just slavery but the
49:11
inherent desire to not progress forward and not to have things change and how
49:18
the cruelty of that and the evils of that instilled directly ties to this what's being
49:26
described here irrational horrific and transgressive thoughts desires of impulses grotesque characters like it's
49:33
all one Continuum yeah so totally cool let's go ahead and get
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into the main characters that we'll be discussing we have Alex mordoff he's the main person we're gonna be
49:48
talking about today in the patriarch of this family we're gonna go really deep in Alex's background here in a moment we
49:54
have Maggie Murdoch oh go ahead sorry Taylor I'm sorry does he pronounce it Alec no he doesn't Okay
50:01
a-l-e-x totally okay continue uh you have Maggie Murdoch who was Alex's wife
50:07
they married in 1993 and you have Paul who was at the time of the events we're
50:13
going to discuss Alex says 22 year old son they also have another son he's semi-relevant but not really I'll talk
50:19
about him for like a second so let's dive into Alex's background
50:25
to say this guy was privileged would be doing a disservice the word privilege he
50:31
was Uber privilege he was Kennedy family levels of privileged
50:36
I remember when this story first broke and I'm sure you did to Taylor because you brought out the dynastic nature of families how this prominent South
50:44
Carolina legal family and I was like am I supposed to [ __ ] know that like am I supposed to know every family that's
50:50
like a yeah big shot in their [ __ ] Backwater town right
50:56
the side note of having a really good mic now in the mic setup is you everybody can probably hear every sound
51:01
my dog is making in this room I only heard it just now look I didn't hear her until right now okay good good I heard
51:07
like a bell was that her and she was that was her yeah okay I'll figure I'll figure out a new routine for her she had two dogs so they
51:15
could hang out with each other if I didn't have my family here in the other room then I would just put Luna in her kennel but then my mom's gonna start
51:21
being nervous about it and try to let her ride her mom's here oh hi yeah they're all here everybody's everybody's
51:26
trying to help me move so um hold on Luna place
51:33
foreign
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but you came back um okay you ready yes okay
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this family was legal royalty in South Carolina from 1920 to 2006 three members
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of the family served as a district district attorney for the 14th circuit wow I can't think in terms of circuits
52:23
like the size and scope and all that [ __ ] so let's just say that they were the DA for five highly consequential
52:28
counties because the county makes more sense to me okay 1920 to 2006 that is
52:34
that is back to back that's that's three members who held office the same office
52:39
for 86 years so they were in wow they were not primary this was not right you
52:45
know they weren't being challenged for this totally the only lawyers that I know that well you said you but like I know I
52:52
can name some of the like injury lawyers in Las Vegas because the Billboards all the time you know but like yeah I like
52:59
the ones who do the commercials where they like slam a big hammer down yeah um so people actually refer to these five
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counties as a Murdoch Murdoch country like that is it is colloquial their name
53:12
is a colloquialism that's the extent we're talking about here totally Keller have you seen nothing but trouble yet
53:19
yeah guess what I was like really young I suppose a really long time ago and I feel like if I tried to make my husband
53:25
watch it now he would not watch it so we should probably watch it together when's the last time you saw it it was like a
53:31
month ago oh my God how was it like how was it have you had you seen it before
53:36
no no so I mean that was the whole thing like our favorite podcast keeps talking about nothing but trouble we're supposed to see it and one night I was like what
53:43
I'm just gonna finally get around to watching it it is [ __ ] horrible like it is it is right it is a shitty [ __ ]
53:49
movie um it's fun it's fun because you can see Dan ackward having fun you can tell he
53:54
really really relished that moment and so oh my God out of love of Dan ackwood I enjoyed that piece of it
54:01
but the reason I bring it up is that bobo who is Dan aykroyd's character and
54:07
trouble he runs a Podunk little town where he's
54:12
kind of like the judge or the jury and everything that's kind of what this is
54:18
like this family we're gonna get into it like the amount of influence like I'm so understating it
54:24
right now yeah no and you're and it sounds like a lot yeah yeah and by the way when I say this family
54:30
I'm talking about Alex's father's side of the family like this is all lineage from Alex's Father's Side um and like from what I can gather like
54:36
this family just doesn't lose in addition to their Public Service I.E the D.A stuff
54:43
um they also run a really prominent civil litigation firm as well
54:48
in the way they became prominent in civil litigation is kind of shady because they
54:55
don't lose like they'll find the [ __ ] way to get to the outcomes which like I kind of admire
55:02
um don't have a criminal lawyer have a criminal lawyer yeah exactly that's
55:09
exactly right do you remember that wasn't Breaking Bad I didn't like that yeah that was uh Saul's yeah yeah
55:16
um again we aren't a legal procedure show but there's this concept I'm going to go into in law
55:22
around jurisdiction and a court has to determine if they have jurisdiction over
55:28
the parties and to the claim to accept a civil case there's a reason why I'm bringing this up it's called subject
55:33
matter jurisdiction in a lot of cases it is not up to the person the plaintiff who files a lawsuit
55:39
to decide where they're going to file a certain court has that jurisdiction and others do not
55:45
in South Carolina they passed a law that made the concept of forum shopping I'm
55:50
using quotation marks this is a term of art super easy that's what really led to the success
55:55
the Murdoch family's Law Firm because they're so prominent and because Forum Shopping was so easy they could choose
56:01
to file claims in places in districts and in courts where they knew
56:07
the people that would get the outcomes they were looking for does that mean does that make sense so as as the lawyer
56:14
as like the the person hiring the lawyer you could do like I choose to do it at a place where I know I'm gonna have good
56:19
representation or the lawyer would say like oh listen I know the chief of police in Jonesville let's go there the
56:28
person find the claim doesn't know [ __ ] right okay they're going to the lawyer and saying how much money can I get for
56:34
this accident you're like oh uh yeah we'll figure it out they'll file the claim wherever they know where their
56:40
golfing buddy is the judge yeah ask for a bench trial right and and move forward
56:46
so anyways like that that's a big part of this is that this family again Stacks all the chips in their favor
56:54
it's kind of like the movie The Firm I'm referencing a lot of movies today you've seen the firm right yeah okay okay yeah
57:02
but it's kind of like it's just they just seem like they would basically do anything to maintain their influence and
57:07
Power in this stink of the woods part of the firm I remember is when they were dancing in the living room and Tom Cruise turns the music up because he
57:13
knows the house is bugged remember right it was so yeah it was it was such a
57:18
happy awesome movie when he's like he's just like a happy-go-lucky you know law student and then it's just derail so
57:26
hard most of the following that I'm going to list off to you really has nothing to do
57:32
with the main story that we're talking about but it is pertinent to the type of people that we're talking about the following our list so let's just
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call them events that this family has been involved in number one in 2015 a gay teen named
57:46
Steven Smith was found dead on a road in one of these Murdoch counties it was rumored that Alex's other son Buster was
57:55
involved in a relationship like a sexual relationship with Stephen the death was ruled a hit and run at the
58:01
time and they had no suspects local papers that I read all but came out and
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said that this family covered this up it made it seem like a hit and run so that
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an investigation actually just restarted into this kid's death because now that everything happened that I'm gonna go
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into they're like uh something there's more to this story so I feel like
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I wish you hadn't said his investor in the middle of telling that story because the story is terrible and it's also a
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[ __ ] Delight that his name is Buster and development of course I am
58:37
just like could you imagine and like um did you know that job in Arrested Development was named that way after uh
58:44
Jeb Bush because Jeb Bush his name is his initials his name's like Joe Edward
58:51
bush and that's what job's name is is like John Oliver Bluth or whatever
58:57
incredible yeah it's making fun of him because Jeb's both Jeb Bush's name is his initials except you missed it
59:04
because it wouldn't be John because job is Gob oh we're right yes they would
59:10
call him gob anyway is this hilarious to be named Buster these days and I can't believe
59:16
that you accomplished on that but also I feel like you meet rich people all the time named like [ __ ] willow you know
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they're like oh this is Poppy you know like I mean if you come to the witch's Market you'll meet a lot more of them
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but anyway that story is terrible and I'm so sorry for that or that poor boy family and that's absolutely awful yeah
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yeah of course and they and presumably they're going to get there because like I said the case has been reopened the
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second side track here is in 2018 their
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family the family housekeeper of the murdofs Gloria fell down the stairs of
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their state and ultimately died the circumstances of this were
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suspicious for a number of reasons but the most telling of which was Alex trying to steal the proceeds of This Woman's life insurance policy like steal
1:00:05
it not like yeah he wasn't in charge of it he wasn't going to like be the you know the ex um executor
1:00:12
of her state or anything he was outright just going to steal it this part I dug so deep Taylor to find the answer
1:00:19
to this because she was insured to the tune of 4.3 million dollars
1:00:27
that's crazy I mean I don't know if you have life I have life insurance my life is not worth 4.3 million like no
1:00:35
I have like my work life insurance yeah and yeah it's not that much it's very much much less so I don't so I don't get
1:00:43
how whatever like that's just it's in bold here of like keep digging trying to
1:00:48
figure out why her life insurance policy was the way that it was but anyways that's number two of weird [ __ ] with
1:00:54
this family the third and really the biggest and one that actually is prone into this story is in 2019 Paul the
1:01:01
youngest son went out boating with friends drunk is [ __ ] wrecked the boat and killed his
1:01:07
friend Mallory as a result and to show how much influence this family actually had after the accident
1:01:13
Paul wasn't given a field sobriety test he wasn't taken to jail he wasn't booked he wasn't handcuffed nothing
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you just called his dad his dad's like I'm gonna come down I'll take care of it privilege like these people are [ __ ]
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yeah like you can kill someone privileged I'm looking up how many people die
1:01:30
falling down the stairs and I'm like I can't tell if this what I just found is just um the us but I think it is because
1:01:38
it's from the national Safety Council because so many people die a year falling down the stairs okay because if you include old people it's gonna be a
1:01:44
lot to me at least ten thousand it's twelve thousand yeah that's more than I thought yeah continue but
1:01:51
I mean there's probably not many like 30 year olds who are dying falling down stairs where I would assume the bulk of
1:01:57
that 12 000 are gonna be like seniors yeah because I've heard that like falling as a senior is literally the biggest health hazard like yeah that
1:02:05
could kill you you're right it's terrifying um but yeah that's awful and and also
1:02:10
for that poor girl dying in a boat accident yeah yeah yeah except accept it
1:02:17
unlocked a lot of things so that accent sounds like it kind of started
1:02:22
everything that we're about to go into so going back to that part of it so if I
1:02:28
say that Alex had his hands in many white collar crimes given the fact that he was showing his appropriate funds and
1:02:34
he's doing cover-ups all the other [ __ ] that I just went into as part of the lawsuit that was filed by
1:02:40
Mallory's family against the murdochs because of the wrongful death
1:02:45
suit that they were going to file Financial records were being requested or more accurately Alex was going to be
1:02:52
compelled to reveal a ton of financial information that just would not have looked good
1:02:58
this state is important a hearing was scheduled for June 10th of 2021 that was
1:03:05
to decide whether Alex would have to turn over his financial records
1:03:11
in relation to the death of the girl on the boat yeah yeah how come why well
1:03:16
because part of it is that when you when you tabulate damages in civil cases oh
1:03:25
you know each other's net worth and all that you need to know like what you're going after what assets are available what you're actually asking for a lot of
1:03:31
times what you're going to do is look at lost potential earnings in the future pain and suffering and things like that
1:03:36
and it's usually a proportion of what that person can give
1:03:41
got it and so that's part of what they're asking for um it's it's always the trail of money
1:03:48
that [ __ ] people like remember this folks like if you're if you're doing shady [ __ ] the issue is never getting
1:03:54
the money the issue are the waypoints that money takes as it travels before it
1:04:00
gets to you yeah and
1:04:05
you are also not the king of England to just another thing you know I feel like this guy probably thought that he
1:04:12
was like untouchable because he was like the lawyer King of the county but you're like
1:04:17
it's not the same like you can't I mean some some people are like above the law
1:04:24
and they shouldn't be but this guy's not above the law he just stopped anyways right yeah he um he sounds kind of
1:04:32
like the combination of arrogance mixed with stupidity
1:04:39
privileged he doesn't know that because he's like everywhere I go every the Seas
1:04:45
part so like I'm [ __ ] I'm great you know yes totally so I'm gonna get the red flag number one
1:04:51
I don't know very much about Maggie but she did a really interesting thing
1:04:57
around this time around the time of pre being compelled to reveal financial
1:05:03
information by the court she had a forensic accountant to look into her own family's finances you know what a
1:05:10
forensic accountant does right yeah it looks at everything with a practice um yeah it's like it's like a
1:05:16
personal audit of your own finances like where did money come from how to so she knew something was wrong but was hands
1:05:23
off enough to not know exactly what I'm kind of going to blame Maggie for this
1:05:28
for reasons I'll get into a little bit later it seems that as early as 2016 the
1:05:34
super obvious Shady financial [ __ ] was kind of right under her nose like she was a part of it in a way like there's
1:05:40
no way she didn't know yeah yeah it what I'm going to tell you later on
1:05:45
happened in 2016 I mean I think anybody would have just
1:05:50
had like alarm bells ringing in there in their head so things are unraveling Alex is about
1:05:56
to be forced by the court to give up his financial secrets and if that doesn't get him his wife's forensic accountant
1:06:02
surely will it's also worth noting that by now at this point Alexander are strange they live separately at one of
1:06:08
their beach homes so they're kind of just like walking past each other and whatever they're not
1:06:13
like really close that is a very very blue family of them are you right
1:06:20
I love that you brought up the rest I need to go back and watch the rest of development um I mean okay another quick sidetrack
1:06:28
I'm gonna run through the tldr of just what we know of Alex's Financial [ __ ]
1:06:33
his trial actually started three days ago we're recording this on Saturday January 28th so a ton more is about to
1:06:41
come out but here's a short list and I'm going to leave out a ton of details because otherwise just this section alone could
1:06:48
be 45 minutes and you'd fall asleep driving so here is the [ __ ] Alex is accused of
1:06:55
stealing or at least attempting to steal his housekeepers 4.3 million life dollar life insurance claim his deaf clients
1:07:01
life support mysteriously being unplugged after Alex represented him in his traffic accident and then handling
1:07:08
the wrongful death suit that followed 800 000 to 1 million dollars of that settlement went missing a woman was
1:07:14
killed in a crash who Alex represented she never received or her family never received 112 000 of that settlement
1:07:21
another woman uh another woman's family uh another woman who was killed by a drunk driver was told was told by this
1:07:28
uh Alex that the settlement was 30 000 when it was actually 180 000. ah
1:07:33
yeah I mean drop in the bucket his financial crimes alone amount to misappropriating around 8.7 million
1:07:41
dollars wow so think about that 8.7 million and what I mentioned earlier he never got the 4.3
1:07:47
million of that life insurance policy was trying to steal so like 4.3 it is just 8.7 that he actually got around
1:07:55
stealing um so that's Alex for you Chris let's get to the murders because
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we should be in jail for that alone so I'm gonna I'm gonna talk about that there's a the prosecutors on that piece
1:08:09
said something really really interesting that I'm gonna get to um so let's get to the murders because obviously there's gonna be murders
1:08:16
on June 7th of 2021 so three days before his motion is to be heard Alex calls the
1:08:22
police saying he found the bodies of his son and wife at their hunting lodge they've been shot repeatedly with
1:08:28
different weapons convenient at a hunting lodge what listen to you yeah
1:08:35
yeah it all tracks right um Alex says that during the killing he
1:08:41
was with his parents who conveniently for him have dementia so that's his Alibi reminder again Alex
1:08:49
and Maggie weren't close this time apparently Alex wanted to meet up with Maggie that night and Negi had texted a
1:08:55
friend that Alex sounded quote fishy and quote up to something she didn't want to go like her alarm
1:09:01
Bells were ringing but Alex had told her that hey let's go visit my father together and uh Maggie
1:09:08
was like [ __ ] that I don't want to try that so how long was they were married for like
1:09:13
93 93 to 21. so what is that oh
1:09:19
30 years 28 years yeah yeah okay it's a long time yeah still do it red flag number two
1:09:26
that I wrote here is listen to your gut if your gut tells you someone is giving off bad vibes there's probably a reason
1:09:32
for that totally I mean you've had that experience right before each other where like somebody invites you out or
1:09:37
somebody like you're you're with someone and like for whatever reason like damn I don't know what it is about you I just
1:09:43
don't [ __ ] like you like yeah you're like I just gotta go yeah yeah and and
1:09:48
that was the case here like Maggie legit was like I'm not doing this and he just insisted insisted insisted and
1:09:54
apparently she relented it sounds like she was so close I mean not that she's innocent but as long as she was close to leaving
1:10:01
but then also remember talking about how when you're leaving an abusive relationship whether however abusive he
1:10:08
was like definitely like psychologically he's obviously crazy like you that's such a dangerous time so like
1:10:14
what did she know that he didn't want people to know you see you're getting into motives right now and applying motives here is
1:10:22
gonna get really murky they were not in an abusive relationship for what it's worth apparently they they seemingly had
1:10:29
like this like Charmed you know king and queen right work vibe in South Carolina
1:10:36
um right I just mean like as like he's I guess I'm thinking that like she's like
1:10:42
he's being weird yeah recently you know there's something going on with them yeah yeah
1:10:47
so like I said Maggie ultimately relented to this assistance meeting at the lodge we're kind of Gonna Leave This
1:10:52
part of the story here Maggie arrives her son Paul is there Alex calls the police roughly an hour after their
1:11:00
estimated time of death and that's it so we're gonna move on
1:11:06
sorry I want to know more but tell me later yeah yeah we're definitely going we're
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gonna scroll back seven weeks after this event
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so in September jeez beers catch up to me
1:11:24
seven weeks after this event so in September Alex resigns quote unquote
1:11:30
from his family firm because they too had gone wise to his financial Shenanigans like I said resigns a nice way to put it
1:11:36
they just told the package shouldn't get out basically he devised so many ways to
1:11:42
Swindle money fake invoices fake bills fake hours work charging personal expenses to his
1:11:48
clients in the firmed funneling money through multiple bank accounts it's weird how he was smart enough to do
1:11:54
all of this and not smart enough to know that it was a complete house of cards plus so much work yeah posture is also
1:12:00
called this a Ponzi scheme remember when I brought that up like they also they use Ponzi scheming himself essentially
1:12:05
just the same way Tony tote was um it gets this piece alone gets so
1:12:12
complicated because he was also really close friends with the president of this
1:12:18
secondary bank that was like on the side that he was using to funnel all this
1:12:23
money he did a lot of [ __ ] up [ __ ] and brought a lot of people into his
1:12:29
issues yeah totally um the things that the thing I don't really understand is given his
1:12:35
prominence he would have been fine as just like a normal civil litigation lawyer yeah
1:12:42
he reported that his annual salary was around 250 000 a year I think that's an understatement though
1:12:48
because it sounds like he was a partner in The Firm given that it was family and if he was he would have been part of
1:12:54
their profit sharing right but even without it I would assume 250 Grand in South Carolina like it's
1:13:02
not 250 Grand in La like in South Carolina it's probably a super comfortable life for a family of
1:13:08
four right it's a lot of money I did you watch The Bernie Madoff doc on Netflix so like same with him like he had a
1:13:15
legitimate business that was doing well but he like needed I don't know like control or like more
1:13:23
or more and more and you're willing to do stuff that you know is illegal you're like was it when is enough enough
1:13:29
and it's probably never probably never I don't think these guys have that pause button
1:13:34
and Alex definitely didn't um so as an example of conspicuous
1:13:41
consumption that made no sense given his income and that shockingly nobody got on caught on to the launch where his son
1:13:49
and wife were ultimately killed it was a 1700 acre estate wow this was
1:13:56
not some deer lease in the middle of [ __ ] [ __ ] nowhere it was immense the
1:14:01
property was listed for sale after these Murders At 3.9 million after the murders
1:14:08
so you would imagine that it's probably that probably means it's worth like six seven million right without [ __ ]
1:14:14
ghosts haunting the property totally totally wow yeah like like the house and
1:14:19
celebration that was so much less than the others after someone murders their family in it yeah yeah
1:14:25
they also had a beach house like I said earlier that's where yeah and Alex were mostly living and they that was recently
1:14:33
sold for just shy of one million dollars again looking at this like you just go
1:14:38
off of like the market rate after the murder is 3.9 women that's like five million dollars in property yeah totally
1:14:45
you nobody bought themselves how's this guy if you're like a fellow lawyer are you
1:14:52
like how the [ __ ] is Alex like well I think I I would assume it was family money
1:14:58
actually yeah that's fair you know I'd be like oh you're from a line of rich
1:15:04
people I imagine that you have property yeah actually that's a really good point
1:15:09
my mind I mean obviously I don't come from that so like my mind went to like if I just started like
1:15:15
buying Lambos to all cash people are gonna people should ask questions right no I'd make a call yeah exactly yeah
1:15:24
um so let me go back uh hold on
1:15:50
you're good all good
1:15:56
I'm back I left you all good
1:16:01
so so going back to how aware Maggie was or
1:16:07
wasn't one thing Alex did in 2016 is convey the
1:16:13
1700 acre estate to his wife for five dollars
1:16:18
so it seems like Alex started to suspect that this house of cards was eventually going to collapse right what's so
1:16:26
[ __ ] stupid about it though is that Maggie's will was never updated so there's a 2005 version of this will that
1:16:33
set in the event of her death everything conveys to Alex
1:16:38
so he later tries to uninherit the property so that it wouldn't be
1:16:44
considered part of his assets and that he could convey to his son Buster so let me so we should have given it to so we
1:16:51
gave it to someone but he needed to give it to someone else he should have not killed his wife well
1:16:58
yes that's our urging theme but no because if he didn't kill his wife
1:17:03
and he just went down for the financial crimes then creditors wouldn't be able to attach the property to his debts but
1:17:13
because she was dead it came back to him conveyed back yeah okay I know Taylor I
1:17:19
know don't kill yourself if you're thinking about it don't do it
1:17:25
like I said we're the only podcasts in America who consistently Advocates against murdering your family so others
1:17:30
are really for it so yeah yeah so that was the entire idea the entire idea was he knew in 2016
1:17:38
something was about to go down and he wanted to keep the bulk of his net worth
1:17:44
which is in these properties out of creditors hands right the Court's
1:17:49
hand so that eventually it could be inherited by his son that was the entire idea around this and for if and then and
1:17:56
then like how he connected the dots like let me just kill her and like I well yeah motives will get into that in a
1:18:01
minute anyways so we're back to the events the next day the day after he has booted
1:18:09
out of his Law Firm Alex claims that he was shot in the head while changing a car tire doing this I forgot this part
1:18:16
[ __ ] incredible it's so incredible oh my God tell me more
1:18:21
he apparently had one of those Suge Knight headshots where he just kind of glanced him so physically he was totally
1:18:27
fine he went to the hospital he was there for like a couple of hours and he was he dipped ten days after this event I love this
1:18:33
detail 10 days after this event his oxy dealer a guy named Curtis was arrested
1:18:39
for inspiring with Alex to shoot him with the intent on killing
1:18:44
him so his remaining son would receive a 10 million dollar insurance payout
1:18:51
so he knows a guy named Curtis who spells him oxy recalled listen
1:19:00
I know a lot of folks who like slang and it's all good I don't know any that I would call and say
1:19:06
I want you to be a part of an incredibly intricate insurance fraud scheme how
1:19:13
close are you gonna call it's not your drug dealer so so he could he killed himself he didn't know this but in most so in most
1:19:20
this guy's not like he's actually I don't again I don't think he's that smart or that good of a lawyer he like
1:19:25
practiced law the way I practice law so he could have killed himself because in
1:19:31
South Carolina you can kill yourself and still get the insurance pay on Most states you can right in Most states kill
1:19:36
yourself you can get the insurance pal he didn't know that that's why that's why he called Curtis
1:19:42
and was like buddy he just was like watching movies where you learned you can't do that and like wasn't actually
1:19:48
checking the law yeah that's so funny okay picking this picture in this guy
1:19:53
playing FIFA at home and getting this phone call like
1:19:58
anyways oh my goodness oh that's so funny it only took 10 days like it was
1:20:04
yeah that's how long it took for them to arrest him Alex I don't understand I'm
1:20:10
so I'm so sorry but like I feel like if I had a gun I could kill you
1:20:16
I don't think I could graze your head if I I feel like I could could do it it's his oxy dealer like we're not talking
1:20:21
like a trained assassin this is not like I think it'd be much harder to gray is someone's head on purpose than it would
1:20:26
be to kill them this guy was about Good Times like he's not out there like trying to run down
1:20:33
cartel members like this is not like a John Woo movie like
1:20:38
right right odd choices being made Alex later admitted to coming up with
1:20:44
the whole scheme because of course he did because Curtis didn't think of this on his own I'm sure yeah
1:20:50
and like I said like yeah he could just he literally just killed himself and it would have been totally cool and fine wow it's so funny that he didn't know
1:20:57
that I mean yeah that's ridiculous um so let's recap okay at this point
1:21:03
your kid is responsible for sure for killing one kid your other kid maybe
1:21:10
killed another kid right certainly had a hand in killing your wife and kid
1:21:17
you've been fired and you've tried killing yourself which you actually could have done the last part
1:21:23
first earlier yeah yeah what again going into the motive
1:21:29
like why did the the sequencing of events did he just like absolutely not I'm not gonna give anime money to his
1:21:36
wife and his other his first kid he wants to give it all the Buster yeah maybe you just [ __ ] hated them I
1:21:42
don't know the money is in the banana Stand imposter's The Golden Child
1:21:49
um God I hope I wish he only had one hand too it'll be incredible oh my God it's so good
1:21:54
so Taylor like if you were in this situation right
1:21:59
what would you do like would you go to jail forever or would you find a way to get the [ __ ] out
1:22:05
I feel like I would go to jail forever because I would give up but I also can't
1:22:11
imagine being in the situation because I feel like I want to make better decisions but if I were I mean I don't know what
1:22:18
are your choices like I feel like there's a choice I'd be like oh would I you know want to die by Suicide and not
1:22:24
go to jail obviously he's like not able to do that so I mean that's a terrible thing to say
1:22:29
too I apologize but like I don't know if it's a tough it's a it's a if you're staring down the rest of
1:22:35
your life in prison I don't know what you do so I'm actually running you are no
1:22:40
questions asked like not even a single second of Doubt I've already planned this out yeah don't stop telling me I I
1:22:46
wrote like multiple bullet points on how it's gonna so the secret that nobody knows is that you have to do it before
1:22:53
your passport's flagged so the second like you don't wait until the shoe is
1:22:59
about to drop you dip two weeks before the shoe's about to drop right
1:23:05
like with way before you're about to kill your like in 2016 when he was going to come right probably that's when you
1:23:11
see yeah you don't wait until your kid kills another kid in 2019 because you know he's gonna come on Paul probably
1:23:16
did a lot of [ __ ] up [ __ ] right like yeah chilling Mallory probably wasn't the first
1:23:21
sign that someone was gonna write a call so I think I knew what was going on but yeah you just
1:23:26
go leave go to a different country get a bunch of travel [ __ ] find a bunch of friends in different countries send them
1:23:33
your Travelers checks and your credit cards have them charge [ __ ] on it so that now you have multiple tracks that's
1:23:39
smart and then it's a that could be a cool social network idea but anyways
1:23:46
um that's okay I bet he is
1:23:51
um well I'm glad you told me all of this but also you just implicated yourself if you try to run away but that's a great
1:23:56
idea but it can be anyone right I can be Greek I could be Hispanic I could be you know Italian like I'm I'm I'm
1:24:04
like ethnically androgynous I think is a term maybe
1:24:12
okay so we're going back to the story like I said the trial uh just began so
1:24:18
we don't know much more than what is being kind of stated here um but I have some thoughts in General
1:24:24
on the case in cases like this I want to go into with you so yeah totally as I was digging in the story it
1:24:30
occurred to me that the only things I remember about this case were prominent lawyer's wife and Kidder found dead and
1:24:37
then months later a prominent lawyer whose wife and kid were found dead is shot in the face and survives
1:24:42
right that's kind of all I really I didn't know about like the the boys
1:24:48
potentially killing people or all the financial crimes yeah yeah and the more
1:24:54
I learned about this guy and what he was up to the more cure it got and it made
1:24:59
me think about the salacious versus the nuanced parts of True Crime like I went super deep on this and the
1:25:05
things Alex was involved in you could write A Treatise on just his financial crimes that shit's boring and it but it
1:25:14
does paint a picture of a person who once you get to the salacious part of
1:25:21
the elise's salacious part of everything the insane boring financial white-collar
1:25:28
[ __ ] is why all the rest of this stuff ends up happening right so that's like the red flag yeah yeah yes I I wrote
1:25:36
down this really did remind me a lot of the toad family for reasons that I I
1:25:41
mean for reasons like you would know if you listen to that podcast this one isn't grossed me out the way that one did
1:25:47
things that he did just don't seem as like I don't know it doesn't sound like well
1:25:54
I don't even tell me more but it doesn't sound like he was like in the house with their dead bodies for a week it was just less depraved I don't know how to
1:26:00
describe it like I mean but also that's terrifying because it sounds like it was like very like systematic you know just
1:26:06
like yeah yeah but it reminds me it reminds me a lot of
1:26:11
that um just like a lot more elaborate version of that and that people just weren't asking the right questions around like what this guy's inner
1:26:18
workings of his finances were we just thought that this guy was incredible nobody really won't went further than that and your point actually makes a lot
1:26:24
of sense to me now we're like oh it's probably just family money so don't ask right like why so I don't know like good
1:26:30
point I didn't think about that way yeah I think you know buy a hunting lodge you like inherit it but he maybe bought it
1:26:36
yeah I don't know maybe he bought it but like it feels like something I'd be like oh I assume that my rich friend Muffy
1:26:41
has a hunting lodge yeah it's it's same with people with boats
1:26:47
right it's always that restaurant with the boat so it it made me think a lot of like how with these situations these
1:26:53
stories it always kind of boils down to two things it's money or infidelity that's basically it and and somebody
1:27:00
feel like they're gonna get left behind um yeah unfortunately yeah like it sounds like in this case obviously money
1:27:06
was a big factor in it and Maggie was aware but she probably became aware a
1:27:11
little bit too late and it said about as I said about this as I said about his trial for the
1:27:17
murders of the financial crimes haven't actually started yet they haven't been scheduled or anything like that and I
1:27:23
told you I'd come back to this apparently just his financial crimes alone would be enough to keep him in
1:27:29
jail for the next 900 years I'm not exaggerating I swear like if he
1:27:35
was convicted and given mandatory minimums it would total between 900 in a thousand
1:27:41
years well that's a lot of time he sounds like a criminal she says
1:27:48
yeah the port I don't totally get is how he thought killing his family would help with the financial stuff right that's
1:27:55
what you're saying like I guess I mean I think it sounds like he just didn't want his family to get any of the money
1:28:01
no so what would the prosecution has been saying about the murders was that it was to distract everyone from his
1:28:08
financial crimes oh yeah he was trying to get away with with that and he was like oh well if I killed my family then
1:28:15
nobody's gonna look at me like don't kill your family that makes that makes things worse or maybe better
1:28:21
because maybe they were annoying yeah I think I just don't I mean I don't know like you don't kill don't kill
1:28:27
people and that's crazy yeah like the dots just aren't there like you know
1:28:34
anyways um his uh his defense uh is someone who
1:28:40
oh yeah rose right his defense to all of this is that someone was upset with his
1:28:45
son for causing Mallory's death on the boat and that person is the person who
1:28:51
probably killed them but we don't know who it is there's no there's nothing well that's the only thing that he has
1:28:57
right like is is he trying to find the killer like [ __ ] yeah
1:29:02
he's working on his first draft if I did it right um random fact that you might
1:29:09
know given your podcast diet Alex is defense attorney is a guy named
1:29:16
dick harputlian does that ring a bell no damn okay who's he so he was the
1:29:23
prosecutor in South Carolina who prosecuted and got life before he got ended up getting death
1:29:30
giving getting life for Peewee Askins do you remember him yeah yeah the redneck
1:29:36
Charles Manson that's the final truth the final truth that's
1:29:45
so now he's his defense attorney so yeah and he sounds like a real piece of [ __ ] actually
1:29:51
um he said like he says like random casual racist things
1:29:56
about the judge who is African-American he's just like he doesn't sound yeah he
1:30:02
doesn't sound like he's um really gone forward with the times in South Carolina but yeah yeah
1:30:07
that is um that's the Murdoch family and hopefully once this trial wraps we'll do
1:30:13
like a little post script and and discuss what happened but he did he shoot are they did they how do the mom
1:30:20
and the son died do they get shot yeah they got shot in the head multiple times
1:30:27
do they find the guns yeah they're there yeah they finally gone do the fingerprint ones so I don't the details
1:30:35
of the guns I've seen pictures of them so I know they have them but I don't know the details of whether they were
1:30:41
able to again his son killed somebody and nobody asked him a single question it didn't book him
1:30:47
yeah like fingerprint I'm like it wouldn't be that big of a stretch of the imagination or they'll be like hey
1:30:53
can we take gun residue off your fingers like like what are you talking about why would you do that to me I'm Alex and I
1:30:59
feel like it's the other thing is if he hadn't done that that stage to try
1:31:06
to kill yourself thing maybe he could run away with it more so
1:31:11
like it was like that made him so look so much more guilty than anything else ever could it wasn't stage he was trying
1:31:17
to kill himself and he failed like that's I just don't understand I feel like I'd be like do it
1:31:23
again it doesn't I don't understand that makes no sense it's like I have like one bullet so I
1:31:30
like this guy probably didn't know that his story was national news like I mean
1:31:37
I think at the time we were living in LA right maybe maybe
1:31:44
in we were hearing about this yeah like his front page news because it was just an
1:31:51
insane story and it's like did he not know that people were paying attention that just wasn't in like the Backwoods
1:31:57
of South Carolina like this was national news I mean maybe not
1:32:03
but he tried to shoot himself with Curtis in the head and Curtis [ __ ] up
1:32:09
because he's probably hiding on [ __ ] oxies and I don't think Curtis gets high
1:32:14
in his own Supply he feels yeah you think Curtis is a good reputation I do
1:32:20
um that yeah I don't that no no no I don't because they don't understand how you can not if someone's asking you to
1:32:26
do that I don't understand how you don't do it I don't I guess I mean I guess if you
1:32:31
you can check not oh my God this is terrible I'm not chicken out because obviously I don't think I could physically do it maybe he got like sick
1:32:37
and I'm like I can't do it but either way I mean I guess all the things it's confusing because you're like why are
1:32:42
all these people making these decisions that seem super irrational and like you were saying like he could have he could
1:32:48
have died by Suicide and by law the money would have gone to Buster and then that would have been what he wanted but then
1:32:53
he shouldn't do that like people are making like weird irrational decisions yeah
1:32:59
um yeah actually actually what would have happened like if I remember anything from family
1:33:06
law is because his wife died before he died all of her assets conveyed to him
1:33:13
so when right he died if they had filed a suit which they had on the financial
1:33:19
crimes and on the wrong wrongful death crime
1:33:24
that would have not gone to Buster it would have uh stayed with the court
1:33:30
until a resolution was reached with his former clients and creditors but no
1:33:37
matter how he died yeah his only out would have been to either have his wife change her will
1:33:43
then kill her so that it would convey to Buster that's actually the only way to do it
1:33:49
yeah he should have done that he should have just killed him he should just like on her taken her to the family law office change the who gets everything
1:33:57
when she dies and then killed her then or just not at all or it's not don't
1:34:02
just not at all yeah I'm trying to do the math on how to actually get this I'm trying to figure out how the [ __ ] do we
1:34:07
get bustered paid um yeah how um tell me more about how the southern
1:34:13
gothicness of this yeah have you seen pictures of this family
1:34:19
yes when when I hear the term grotesque
1:34:26
characters I think of these guys well I think of the sons and the dad mostly not
1:34:32
the mom necessarily they just seem I thought of Savannah too
1:34:38
I know that South Carolina I know it's in Georgia not South Carolina but I thought a lot of like Savannah heat
1:34:44
humidity like discomfort that you have to like Revel in and being of this like
1:34:52
Elite status there where like yeah you know you're
1:34:57
the king of [ __ ] a place that nobody wants to really be king at
1:35:02
and I don't know AJ it's just all kind of like gave me this like
1:35:08
Southern witchy Vibe yeah like of course you're also involved in killing
1:35:14
teenagers and you know like all the other things um yeah I feel like in like the
1:35:20
I feel like the night time is very loud because there's like bugs everywhere you know the humidity is like hanging and
1:35:27
then like obviously a minute I couldn't Garden of Good evil it's very like creepy and witchy but also there's like
1:35:32
they have this like wonderful like social Gatherings where like everyone is just like trying to
1:35:38
cool off and like survive and like be together
1:35:43
that one You definitely heard and you're breaking out Taylor
1:35:49
why no oh it says my internet connection is unstable
1:35:55
Elon
1:36:03
okay you're good now okay um no I just think it's like you know
1:36:08
you're thinking of a heavy a heavy nighttime vibe because of the air because of the bugs because of the
1:36:14
humidity and you know weird stuff happens it's also like loud but quiet
1:36:20
and yeah I don't know there's a part of it that like is hitting me a little bit
1:36:27
that when you're in the South again growing up in Texas
1:36:34
within certain um socioeconomic status there is absolutely no diversity
1:36:41
um everybody dresses the same
1:36:46
has the same teams love the same Sports go to the same bars they end up marrying the same I know the
1:36:54
same truth and the only things that stand out is
1:36:59
when someone's different when they're different there's synonymous attributed to them
1:37:06
the results them becoming famous like or famous for wrong reasons like in you know the Garden of Good and Evil
1:37:12
right like it's there's a piece of that that resonates
1:37:18
with this story for me which is everybody was different because nobody was in this [ __ ] up world of privilege
1:37:26
mixed with also just constantly doing shady [ __ ] like it's um
1:37:33
it's very compelling yeah and it was definitely like about to come crashing down any some in some way
1:37:39
there's no way I wasn't gonna wish them it's also interesting to me because like I don't actually find these people that come that um sad like I don't feel the
1:37:48
same way that I felt when I talked about the toad family and like what those kids went through because yeah do I really
1:37:53
give a [ __ ] about Paul Paul sounds like a [ __ ]
1:37:59
I'm not happy that a 22 year old kid is dead obviously he could have turned it could have been something different
1:38:05
he grew up in this family like he was whatever I'll just get [ __ ] up and just drive this boat and whoever died
1:38:11
these people just don't seem sympathetic to me yeah I agree I
1:38:17
agree um yeah I'm curious I wonder what's gonna happen if he's going to like confess and
1:38:25
tell everybody what happened or not because I feel like there's no pretty sure he did it nothing else makes
1:38:33
any sense you know yeah yeah Decor perlian's argument is that there's video
1:38:38
of him with Paul like having a great time planning a tree like hours before this murder I mean he's like how could
1:38:43
this guy possibly yeah it's like he's clearly a sociopath I didn't say this but like I glanced over it but like
1:38:50
that guy was the one that he that they think he unplugged the life support from
1:38:56
right he wasn't a horrible accident where like he needed round-the-clock support like
1:39:03
he couldn't live on his own anymore he was in he was in an assisted living facility and at that place is when
1:39:10
suspiciously this plug came out and that's why I ended up actually ultimately dying so like he had the
1:39:17
upside of the initial suit for the accident and then he had the upside for the wrongful like he's clearly like a [ __ ] up yeah mentally so yeah of
1:39:24
course he could potentially kill a son after playing with him but yeah of course anyways that is the Murdoch
1:39:30
family um [ __ ] yeah that's horrible dude yeah yeah
1:39:36
and I think I mean to tie them together I think there's something to be like oh my family's always been safe because
1:39:42
we've always done things this way you know and so he probably thought himself Above the Law because his parent his
1:39:48
like his in the age of being like the district attorney and all those things for you know almost 100 years you know
1:39:54
all of that is like it makes you feel like you can do whatever you want and then there's times like King Henry VII
1:40:00
could do whatever the [ __ ] he wanted you know like in in in a way where he was like okay well
1:40:06
if I cannot do things like just something against the church then
1:40:12
I'm going to just not have the church anymore and you're like Okay Okay and like calling like the coldest bluffing
1:40:17
did it you know so I think there's like and he would there was so much violence then we see so much less now honestly
1:40:24
even though we see so much violence but um a piece Alex Murdoch sounds like
1:40:29
someone who could have easily just like been a violent person in a different time you know like
1:40:35
the extent that certain status people will go to to
1:40:42
get what they want that's really what it is get what you want like I want to marry 17 women so I can have a son like
1:40:49
yeah I'll do whatever it takes to get what I want and I have the ability yeah and I have the ability to do and this guy's like I make 250 Grand a year
1:40:55
that's not enough I need millions and millions of property and so I'm gonna do whatever it takes to get there like it's just yeah yeah 12 guys chill out like be
1:41:03
happy with what you have oh my God like get a good job but like calm down
1:41:10
and this shouldn't be a monarchy anymore and don't kill your family the only podcasts in America that
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Advocates that yeah good for us good for good for us being on the right side of history with
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