Join us as Farz starts a terrifying journey into engineering disasters. Starting with the 1981 collapse of the Skywalk at the Kansas City Hyatt. During an evening dance in the lobby on July 17, two suspended walkways collapsed onto each other. One hundred fourteen people lost their lives, soaking the lobby in blood and becoming the worst structural disaster in the US until 9/11. What went so wrong? Who is to blame? Is it the engineers? Kansas City? Is it Hallmark, somehow? (Also, we made it through this entire episode without mentioning Taylor Swift & Travis Kelce! But Taylor did sing 'Everything's up to date in Kansas City', who doesn't love an 80-year-old cultural reference!) Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/doomedtofailpod/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/doomedtofailpod Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@doomedtofailpod TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@doomed.to.fail.pod Email: doomedtofailpod@gmail.com
Join us as Farz starts a terrifying journey into engineering disasters. Starting with the 1981 collapse of the Skywalk at the Kansas City Hyatt. During an evening dance in the lobby on July 17, two suspended walkways collapsed onto each other. One hundred fourteen people lost their lives, soaking the lobby in blood and becoming the worst structural disaster in the US until 9/11.
What went so wrong? Who is to blame? Is it the engineers? Kansas City? Is it Hallmark, somehow?
(Also, we made it through this entire episode without mentioning Taylor Swift & Travis Kelce! But Taylor did sing 'Everything's up to date in Kansas City', who doesn't love an 80-year-old cultural reference!)
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don't know what it is when that transition happens between like you know hot weather and cold and when it like
starts turning the fall like it's just so much easier just be sitting inside like right now um it is getting starting
to get dark it's about 52 degrees here the coldest it's been in forever and
it's just like yeah it's just perfect stay at home light up fireplace and eat
chilly weather you know yeah I definitely feel that way also like the
um yeah I spent some time outside today like planting some things and doing things before it gets too cold but I'm
like yeah all of a sudden it's about to get too cold to really like do things I guess is it cold there right
now no I probably isn't cold based on like other people's perception of what
cold is it's probably like 70 honestly um and I'm feel like it's winter I don't
think it's cold I it's I think it's pretty nice it's very very sunny it's beautiful um but yeah I have some plans
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like black and white Checkers so I bought some concrete paint I taped up the bathroom I'm going to paint some in the bathroom I just felt doing some home
home renovation stuff but that's fun that's why I'm a little tired yeah it's
very fun giv myself all these projects that I don't have time for but I'm doing them anyway so I can kind of complain
about the weather because it is not in the 70s here it's like like the very very it's about to be in the 40s
so terrible oh God no my God that'd be horrible yeah rainy rainy in like in the
40s so um cool well we can go ahead and kick things off I
think I go first today right you do you do okay you want to let
us know what you're sipping on yep my um my themed drink of the
evening is just some red wine because we are once again going back to ancient Rome and I just assume that's the only
thing you were able to drink there that's it oh and I get water because I the aqueducts that probably just use
most of it to make wine probably I thought the reason they drank a lot of wine was because wine was the safest
thing to drink because there was like alcohol in it I think there's like a part of that with like in the history of
the world where like water so many opportunities for water to kill you you
know especially when like there's no sanitation and like all those things so I think like a there was like I know
that like weak beer you know was drank for breakfast because it had that little bit of like whatever the fermenting
process did maybe got rid of some of the poop germs I don't know I'm not a scientist I treated differently I did
have a a thought one of those rare moments the rare occasion when I have a thought um earlier this weekend I was
thinking do people in mexo get insulted when we say you can't drink the water
there is that is that like kind of like an insult I mean I don't know if it's true or I never drank the water in
Mexico I don't know but it is it is true but it's just like but the same truth that like the thing
about time travel is you couldn't drink the water you couldn't eat the food you would die immediately the thing that
would kill you in time travel is the food you know what I mean if you King Arthur's Court you couldn't if you ate
like some whatever you would die and so feel like it's just like if you are grow
up around that kind of it's like if you grow up around it then you're okay so if you always lived in Mexico and those places like you're fine but it's just
like a new a new thing to other people that that makes you sick right yeah but
nobody says you don't drink the water in Texas you know well because well because
probably the water in Texas isn't as bad different different bad you know what I mean right water yeah Fair points
um I mean Austin has had it's it's a fair amount of boiled water alerts you
know boil water water foreing it so we're not yeah definitely That season
too good point very fair point uh that's awesome are you actually drinking
wine uh no because I'm going to go to the grocery store after this with the kids so I should not be drinking before
that fair fair responsible of you I am just drinking a diet coke because I just
want to have a Diet Coke has done do my I'm I'm drinking diet coke too oh my God
I'm really drinking one too Jinx oh my God I love Diet Coke so much sh did I tell did I never tell you how I used to
work at a hedge fund and one of my bosses went to like a investor meeting at the Coca-Cola factory in Atlanta and
he brought me back a necklace that had had like a little a little fake diamond and a heart that said I love Diet Coke
that's so fun very fun yeah so I'll go Ahad and kick us off then are you ready
let's do it are you prepared I am I'm sad I can't see your face because we went off camera because you froze for a
second but I will I'll I'll imagine your face I can turn it back on I think it's
it's I think it's your internet but it doesn't say me it
doesn't say it will say you're okay fine let's try it and if I if you freeze and I'll turn it off deal deal here's my
face like old forehead hi so you try not to
laugh well I laugh that was funny and I was also I have a big forehead too and I was also laughing that you're wearing a long sleeve shirt because you're usually
in a tank chop so it's also funny um so here's a secret I went to yoga this
morning and I necklace no this is a shot Coller
because Luna's acting up got it yeah no I went to yoga this
morning and after yoga I wore this hoodie because I was like drenched and
sweat and it's cold outside and then I came home and I started watching TV and
I laid down and I fell asleep and I woke up for this and totally forgot to like take a shower so that's why I'm wearing
this that's cool I'm wearing my painting clothes nice okay so you ready I am
great so I've been recently getting interested more and more in engineering
related disasters and I've sort of talked about this before in the past so I covered two
Ocean Gate related disasters which were the bord dolphin and the curs submarine
a while ago if you recall yeah I'm also getting into the concept
of of ripping things off that you start Taylor and so I'm going to follow in
your vulcanologist foot path SE dare you and I want to start a five-part series
about deadly engineering disasters oh very fun
right I love it it and I thought of it all myself after seeing what you did and
then copy so proud of you and doing that I can't wait to hear yay so yay for
engineering disasters hell yeah so today
I'm going to start part one of that series and I'm going to cover something
that I was kind of surprised to learn the topic I'm going to cover is the second
deadliest building collapse in US history only second to the Twin
Towers and it is the deadliest non-deliberate collapse of a building
ever or in the history of the US yeah so usually part the topic of this show we
talk about two things that came together in disaster and Calamity struck in my story today it's about two things that
did not come together that should have come together and the fact they did not come together is why disaster
struck today got it we be discussing the Kansas City Hiatt Regency disaster have
you heard of this yeah okay gotcha I got one got one
that you're familiar with you what I got no um I have and I remember I think I
feel like at one point I was like at work at the job that we shared and I was Googling pictures of
um this story and there's a lot of very vivid pictures of dead bodies right yeah
I'm going to talk about that later okay excited go it's bad go ahead
so fun so This Disaster uh occurred in uh 1981 but we're going to start with
the initial background of kind of the major players of what was going on here so construction kicked off in 1978 in
Kansas City Missouri and the parties involved it's going to be the most relevant part here the parties involved
for of them that are important one is the Crown Center Redevelopment Corporation so this was a subsidiary of
hallmar cars which is one of the biggest Employers in Kansas City their HQ is there and they bought up about 85 Acres
of downtown Kansas City which apparently at this time or before this time was kind of a [ __ ] hole and they were trying
to turn it into like a fun cool interesting thing because Hallmark's like a family brand you know it's like
one of those they didn't want to be associated with like gme and all that stuff and so they wanted to basically put their corporate dollars towards
developing the center far have you seen I'm laughing a
loud because I know the answer is no the musical Oklahoma of course I've have not seen the musical
Oklahoma okay then this is a rhetorical question it's for everyone else um but there's a part in Oklahoma where like
they're up they're in like they're in these like Frontier homesteading small towns and one of the guys goes to Kansas
City and he comes back and he sings a song about how how amazing Kansas is and
he goes everything's up to date in Kansas City they've gone about as far as they can go they went and built the
skyscrape or seven stories high about as high as people ought to go you're welcome so I cannot think
about Kansas City without thinking everything's up to date in Kansas City when did that song come out when did
that play come out oh my God like the 1950 okay yeah yeah so so it's
interesting because like there was a there was a bit of like a um oh I'm sorry it's 1931 1931 so there was so Kansas City
1943 anyway heing whatever same wheelhouse doesn't matter so Kansas City
did have like this economic boom happening and they were kind of Left Behind the other cities they just didn't
invest in the city itself as much and like this whole thing that Hallmark did was supposed to be the biggest part of
like that investment it's interesting I look this up now and the vibe of this
general area is very like Universal CityWalk you know so like there it's
almost like a destination now so like there's a Lego Land there's a really cool aquarium looking thing there's a um ice skating ring there's places for kids
to go create cards for them like you know it's just like a a fair family oriented vibrant part of the town now
part of the country now but that time this this Redevelopment Center this corporation that hallw workk established
was the entity that was responsible for doing this and part of what they did was Grant out the license to a hotel in a 40
40 story hotel to hayatt which at that time was known as kind of like the
hottie brand like it was like one of the nicer brands of hotels I don't know where they rank now I think they're
proba like still somewhere up there but yeah that was why they did it was because they're like we want to be associated with like Glitz and Glamour
and hi is the glitziest and glamorous spot there was a uh engineering firm
called Gillum and Associates run by the head engineer named Jack D Gillum and
they were the structural engineering firm that was hired to build the hotel itself there was Haven steel and this
was a steel fabricator who was contracted out by Gillum to manufacture
the steel components required in construction of the building based on the architectural requirements that
Gilman Associates provideed them clear yeah okay so I'll start by painting a
bit of a picture of how the building was designed you've already seen the picture so you already know what's going on so this is for the people who are listening
which I guess is why we're doing the show anyways yeah that just for me just for
you so the most important and relevant part of this topic is the lobby area so
this was back this is like the late '70s the era of like big atriums so you'd
walk into a hotel and in this case four stories of the lobby was just an Atrium like this giant open
space and for the most part you'd have the hotel rooms in the periphery like on
the perimeter of the of the atrium and then above it on the regular fors that's the way it was kind of designed yeah
yeah and one of the things one of the design elements that hayatt and Gil and
Associates chose to really make this design stand out had to do with a
floating or several floating walkways that ran the length of the atrium north to south and connected the second third
and fourth floors so on two sides there's rooms and there's these giant
walkways that are 120 ft across each that are the gives you access to them
essentially the floating part of this is the problematic part and the way they
made it seem like it was floating was that the walkways weren't um they didn't have um peers that they sat on the way
that most walkways do they were suspended from the ceiling it kind of reminds me now that
you say that remember how I know you've seen the Harry Potter movies correct
I've yes of course okay great just there's
something that you've seen but um how like you know how the staircases always like move in there and you're like
they're so dangerous why would you ever have staircases a move like that makes sense but you know uh there I I've recently recently
unlocked a new spell in the Hogwarts Legacy game where I can do that where I can move things around like that with my
wand oh nice yes dangerous I'm a very very talented wizard so as I mentioned
there's three walkways that did this so there was a walkway there was a a second floor walkway a third floor walkway and
a fourth floor walkway the third floor walkway is irrelevant third floor walkway has nothing to do with any of this because I was kind of off the side
it was doing its own thing it's not a part of this whole gang of walkways we're only dealing with walkways 2 and four and for the purpose of
understanding how they are aligned walkway 2 is underneath walkway 4
they're directly stacked on top of each other with two fource separating them cool yep like I said each walkway 120
feet long each walkway weighed about 64,000 lb it was comprised of Steel
beams GDs as they're called as well as glass and carpet and all the other stuff that goes on top of that
so two years after construction began the hotel officially opened on July 1st
1980 the Hyatt would host what's called private tea dance parties every Friday
in the lobby which I actually didn't even know what a tea dance was I looked this up and it actually said there was two sources on this one source says that
it was a it's a gay singles mixer which I don't think this was it was like Kansas City in like the 1980s yeah and
then the other one is like is this like a fancy tea party it's like a fancy tea and coffee party thing I don't know like
it feels yeah it sounds fun it's like a dance yeah a lot of like older people you go and you like you know have some
drinks as a band it's just a good dance yeah seems fun seems fun seems lovely um
in the pictures that you see you can see that there's like you know big posters and flowers up about this party and so
anyways so about a year after the opening of this hotel we're looking at Friday July 17th
1981 roughly 1,600 people came to the Hyatt for this tea dance party
So based on eyewitness statements about 40 people were standing on walkway 2 about 20 people
were standing on walkway 4 iwitness to state that around 7:00
7:05 is ex the exact time they say it happened um and it sucks because the dance was supposed to be over at 8 but
anyways at 7:05 p.m. there was a loud cracking sound and walkway 4 dropped
several inches it held there for a few seconds and then it fell complet two
stories down on top of walkway 2 and then both of them crashed to the first
four Atrium level so which one had 40 people on it walkway
2 did walkway four have people on it yeah walkway 4 had 20 approximately 20
people and walkway 2 had about 40 people on it got it yeah okay most of the
people who were underneath walkway 2 or the people who were on walkway 2 were
killed immediately obviously I give you picture it uh only 29 people were eventually
pulled from the rubble in total about 114 people were killed and about over 200 were
injured the entire Lobby basically turned into this makeshift recovery zone there was so many problems that I would
never have expected to arise so for example when the walkways fell they ruptured water lines for the sprinkler
system and so the first FL started flooding and so there was people one guy named Mark Williams this story is awful
this guy apparently what happened to him was when the walk he was underneath you like I I don't know where he was in
terms of like the orientation somehow someway he was underneath all this Rubble what happened was he did the
split completely breaking and dislocating both of his legs he's on the
ground like just with the the shattered useless append ninjas and he almost drowned because the sprinkler system was
running in it was like flooding this this first floor that guy stayed in that
full split position for nine hours until he was
rescued I don't know how you don't go into shock I think I legitimately be like dude like after like hour not even
hour after like 20 minutes like just someone put a bull in my head like please like this is there is nothing more terrifying to me than
being an e collapsed building or like a collapse thing you know yeah I wrote here I wrote here that the stories that
I read like it all REM me of Oklahoma City like every detail we read of like what happened in Oklahoma City that's
exactly what this was was like the other thing I read that was interesting was that these walkways were [ __ ] huge
and they had like First Responders had no means of moving them all they were they were using like car jacks carjacks
can't support 70,000 pounds like it's they're not made for that and so one
thing that was really interesting was that the community in Kansas City like completely came together around this so First Responders reached out to
construction firms and asking I mean this is like 700 p.m. on a Friday they're asking all people like hey we
need help all this equipment would come in like like um uh Fork Cliffs and stuff
like that to come in to try support this but that also is what caused such a long delay and trying to get help the 29
people that underneath the rubble because they just didn't have the equipment to do it wow yeah and there was all these
stories they they use a [ __ ] chainsaw to amputate someone's leg underneath the
rubble to get them out nightmare that like horror
show yeah yeah the um the conference space in the hotel basically turned into a makeshift
morg in a triage Center um and yeah this is what what you mentioned so if you
look at there's one photo of the lobby right after the collapse during the rescue operation and it's the one that
has like a black forklift in the bottom right corner and if you look at that picture behind it it is just a [ __ ]
pool of blood like these people were made into like like just batter like it
was right they were just smashed oh my God yeah it was horr one one other thing
that I listen to a podcast about this one one thing they raised was that at this time there was no concept of like
um post-traumatic stress like it wasn't a thing and there was no counseling for
people and so this incident is one of the major reasons why it became a standard piece
of practice for First Responders to get access to um psychological help and
therapy after witnessing things like this it was so bad Oh you mean for specifically for the First Responders I
bet yeah yeah yeah yeah and and I read so if you look at videos of this stuff
on YouTube You'll scroll down and you'll see all this stuff saying like hey my dad was was a firefighter when this
happened I remember this like he he still remembers that he falls asleep and he can't fall like it is like these people were like really badly
traumatized obviously oh my god of course so the meat and potatoes of this
really for me is like how did this end up happening so yeah go through that piece bit so to understand how this
happened we're going to start with what the design was for this Flo these floating walkways
so each walkway was made using basically four 30 foot long pieces that were kind
of put together and combined to make the entire 120 foot length each of these
pieces was put together using iron G GDs so you know I mean it's basically just
giant iron bars that you'd imagine they use for construction to put like a building together right yeah so there's
several problems here one of them was that these were c-shaped GS so usually a lot of times you'll see girds and
they're like they look like an eye for example if you look at them from the side they look like an eye or uhuh um in
this case they they can also look like C's so what they did was they would put two of these GS side by side they'd weld
them together so if you looked at it like headon like you were looking through a telescope it would look like a
square like a really thick square is what it would look like I see I'm seeing this I'm seeing these diagrams okay yeah
exactly and so there's this hollow space in the middle and that's kind of problem number one which I'll which I'll come
back to here in a moment even you tell me this about these gritters makes me want to throw up like I just feel
nauseous continue I know it's like the other side of like terrifying True Crime
is building collapse over I never want to be in a bridge again keep going he bridges are
on on the topic list um so regarding the floating illusion the way it was
supposed to work where they're going to use these iron hanger rods that would run from the base of walkway 2 through
the girders of walkway before up the ceiling and be suspended from the ceiling so they would be passing through
the hollow part of the G I just mentioned and it would be nut screwing them into the base of the gers on the
floor above and below make sense yes so picture one super long rod
that's how it work okay right and then and then it just like like yes I feel
like that totally makes sense yeah so using this design walkway 4 would only
have to support its own weight because the weight of walkway 2 would be supported by the iron bars hooked up to
the ceiling okay so picture it this way if me and you were on a rope and I'm higher
up on the Rope than you are I'm not supporting your weight and you're not supporting my weight we are two totally
separate entities weightwise on this rope make sense right yeah let's never
do that because I'm very bad at Hanging On ropes do you remember when in elementary school they make you do the
climb the Rope thing in gym honestly if you were like Taylor you have to climb this rope right now or die
I would die I physically cannot do it like there's no way absolutely not ever never in my life I feel like gym class
like didn't get the memo that like we were not of the generation that were going to be rope
climers I think I broke my coxic once when I tried to climb a rope in in in elementary school I was I was I was a
fat little kid though I was I was a little tubers um than God that's
over so in February 1979 mid construction Haven steel decided to
change the design of those rods the one super long rod from a single super Long
Rod to two smaller rods the reason being that construction of one super Long Rod
would have been difficult since it needed to be fully threaded to allow the nut to be fasted at different intervals
in between the walkways and they also said that because it's kind of like a delicate design anyways
it is more likely to be damaged during assembly so okay let's not do it that way instead what they proposed was
walkway 2 would have a rod running from its base to the iron gerder in walkway 4
then walkway 4 would have a rod running from its iron gerder to the
ceiling so the difference there that seems like not even that big of a deal
is that using my rope analogy in this hypothetical the way that this is designed you are no longer
holding the Rope you are holding my leg I am holding the Rope make sense okay
yeah and that seems worse right yeah yeah it seems Seems dramatically worse
yeah so one thing to note is that in this situation this actually isn't up to
the steel fabricator to check the Integrity of this design change that's up to the engineering firm in charge so
it was later revealed that only one phone call happened between Haven steel and Gilman Associates regarding this
change and that no calculations were review that design was ever made and
basically Gillum just rubber stamped this change and said yep let's move forward with it what's interesting is
that later on Gillum Jack D Gillum would state that this change was so obviously
stupid that even a first year associate or first year um architecture student should have been able to catch it like
it was like very oh my God anybody who saw was like yeah that's why it happened that's exactly why it happened it is
worth noting that even with the original design it was only 60% as strong as it
should have been based on the building codes from Missouri at the time with this update it was 30% as strong as it
should have been for the building codes the design God yeah and remember it went
through the Hollow part of the steel so if you recall earlier what I mentioned
was that walkway 4 dropped several inches stopped then Dro what happened
was it sheared the bolt through from the weight of holding walkway 2 sheared the
first part of this weld that it wasn't strong enough to hold anyways fell down and caught on the second Weld and then
obviously at that point was just completely [ __ ] and fell so oh my God I going to have so
nightmares tonight I just like I want to start to cry yeah it was it was bad it
was really really bad and what ended up happening was that everybody got dragged into lawsuits in total somewhere around
300 um million dollar worth of lawsuits were flinging around there were some class actions on there some individual
ones in the end Gilman Associates was ultimately held grossly neg negligent
and liable they did not actually face criminal charges their charges were more subil in nature they ended up losing
their engineering license but know Jael time was ultimately sted by anybody Hallmark is the one that got [ __ ] the
most so Hallmark I don't actually I couldn't understand like why Hallmark was the one that was like like
Hallmark's not making decisions based on they're not Engineers they're card manufacturers they make birthday cards
but they're the ones or the Crown Center Redevelopment which is a part of Hallmark it's a subsidiary they're the ones who ended up paying the most they
end pay about $140 million to victims and families and it seems like
Associates their punishment was mostly just like you're never allowed to work ever again basically is what it boil down
to now it seems like Jack Gillum actually Jack Gillum died in
2012 um but up to that point he was a frequent uh guest lecturer in
engineering schools and colleges around the country basically like this is what
happens like this is like it's God what was the um it was there was some saying
I read that was like when a doctor [ __ ] up one person is killed when when an engineer [ __ ] up thousands of people
can be killed and like that's yeah [ __ ] I never thought about it that way like yeah that's true that's
real absolutely yeah so in total they ended up paying $140 million out about three
months after the collapse the hotels reopened which like I would never walk
in that like wait is it still there is you can still stay there yeah it's called
the Sheran Kansas City at Crown Center now it's a huge they expanded it they sold it yeah like
in the lobby really hasn't changed at all what's changed is the walkways the
walkways are apparently now considered the strongest in the entire world they basically poured like they re them yeah
they basically poured like all the cement that existed in the entire world into making these hallway into making these walkways but yeah like there's
walkways still except they're not suspended anymore they actually have trusses underneath them to hold them up
into place I just don't know why I mean I can't
there's so many ghosts there so many ghosts it's it's like the center it's the center of this whole 85 Acres it's
like but if you look at the pictures of it now like it's been updated there's some things that are like exact so
there's one part next to where the um the walkways fell like to the left of where the walkways fell there's just
like weird indentation like design element that does this thing that's still there today that is
so I feel like you should change everything about it most importantly never have walkways again like cool
they're safe but no so many ghosts so many ghosts yeah this was like a huge
deal and like there's there's a whole like side quest here that I started going down I was like this is gonna I'm
not going to going to track this all the way to the end but apparently the local newspaper this was
like basically all they covered and they W like P surprises for this for over the course of like nearly two years of like
writing articles about what happened the trial everything and people were [ __ ] pissed like people in Kansas City were
really really pissed because ultimately the blame landed on the owner of everything which was
Hallmark but Hallmark every Everybody worked at Hallmark and so the people there were like we want to forget this
like it is a it's a weird cultural nightmare that we're all living through but we want to forget this and you guys
are continuously writing about it you're making our employer look bad and it like timately they didn't even do anything
like they're not approving architectural designs like they make cards like so um
all in all yeah horrible horrible nightmare horrible tragedy um just never
stand under floating walkways I read this I feel like a long
time ago I was reading about this and I read a story of like a couple who was
there with like their best friends and they were all at the bar getting a glass of wine and the couple was like oh our favorite song's playing we're going to
go dance and they went and dance and they never saw them again you know yeah it was like they're 30 feet away and
then they were just like smashed so freaky so freaky oh my God I
hatte it so much these pictures those pictures are are horrifying I mean you're just so also in Split seconds
yeah like a split second you're [ __ ] a puddle of blood it's literally that like you are a puddle of blood like
there's nothing left of you it's so I mean that one picture is the one that gets me the one with um the the
forklift um yeah yuck but um yeah that
is the first oh my God this one's really bad too this one's all the dried
blood the carpets are covered are covered in blood you can Google it America and Canada and people listen to
this but yeah oh my God yeah the the carpet is just blood it's just covered in blood it's interesting because like
at this time I was reading about like how um the architectural standards and requirements were like kind of shady so
do you remember that building that came down in um in Miami like it just literally collapsed yes absolutely awful
I hate it than those buildings that were all built in like the 70s and like early
early 80s like they just did not they were not subject to the same review standard as buildings are today there's
a whole host one thing I didn't bring up here is that before this accident happened as the building was being
constructed the [ __ ] roof fell in so the roof also didn't have sufficient
support so the roof caved in Gilman Associates agreed to do to tack onto
their contract to run another inspection of the roof and to build a new roof and that was it they didn't inspect anything
else no no other parts of design was inspected after this roof collapse but but that also was a thing I mean things
I don't know it was just really easy going back then it seems like like we could have been many
opportunities there's so many opportunities to have like one little thing that if no
one's like overseeing the whole thing you know what I mean like I feel like when like I feel like this is not 100%
true but when the Brooklyn Bridge was being built they like did half of it with like 50% the strong the strength
that they should have used until someone finally noticed and made them change it but like companies are going to be like oh this makes it a little bit easier but
if like a bunch of people are like this will be a little bit easier then the whole thing's going to fall apart you
know yeah yeah it seems like that was the case there's no oversight yeah
freaky I feel so sad for all these old people this old people dance I
know you're just I mean I don't know I kind of feel worse for the guy that was like doing the splits for nine
hours did anyone actually drown looking at the no nobody drowned no because when they realized what was
happening what what um I don't remember who the person what the person's name was when they realized like oh there's still people here and they're going to
drown they bulldozed like part of the building to let all the water out and it
was just like a rash decision like we got to get somehow we got to get this water out of here and so they just pull those to
prevent it but he was like very close to Drowning before somebody realized it wow yeah that's horrible I'm I'm
excited for four more horrible stories and never go into a building again engineering stuffs me
out so scary oh my God yeah yeah so
that's where we landed Taylor and I are going to have a very very fun update for folks going to the holiday season that
we are not going to reveal yet but it's going to be very very fun and very interesting and cool and I think you GNA like some fun stuff coming up we got
some fun stuff coming up and Taylor do we have any announcements before we kick off and
restart um yeah well when our our good friend naen from Canada who is one of our um first people who who emailed us
she offered to send us voice clips of her saying French words because we do a terrible job which is super nice um so
um thank you nine we will definitely reach out to to you for that super nice
if we could find someone that could also do that for Russian names that would be great that'd be great yeah yeah yeah
that'd be great that'd be awesome I know I know someone who I know people who speak Russian I can I can make some calls okay right T some people yeah you
can pull pull the pull that card out whenever we can sweet so we'll go ahead
and kick things off we'll rejoin y'all on Wednesday and as usual please do
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