We kick this week off with Taylor telling the stories of 5 of our most notorious Vice Presidents, Aaron Burr, Millard Fillmore, William Rufus King, Henry Wallace, and Spiro T. Agnew. Of the 49 people who have been VP some are nearly lost to history, while others are forever remembered for one or two special things (looking at you, Mr. Burr - could you IMAGINE if he could see a production of Hamilton!) Reverse shout out to Taylor's horrible US History teacher! Who is your fav VP? Let us know! doomedtofailpod@gmail.com Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/doomedtofailpod/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/doomedtofailpod Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@doomedtofailpod TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@doomed.to.fail.pod Email: doomedtofailpod@gmail.com
We kick this week off with Taylor telling the stories of 5 of our most notorious Vice Presidents, Aaron Burr, Millard Fillmore, William Rufus King, Henry Wallace, and Spiro T. Agnew. Of the 49 people who have been VP some are nearly lost to history, while others are forever remembered for one or two special things (looking at you, Mr. Burr - could you IMAGINE if he could see a production of Hamilton!) Reverse shout out to Taylor's horrible US History teacher!
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Americans ask not what your country can do for you ask what you can do for your
the computer there we go and we're off and Taylor this time you're making me tired I am very tired I feel like I have
a Victorian wasting disease but I'm not wasting away I'm just tired like I just like can't
I'm so tired is it just being older maybe I don't know because I'm
like no matter how much I sleep I don't feel like I've slept enough and like I just have so many responsibilities and
it sucks I mean you know relatively relatively it sucks you know what I mean
yeah exactly so I woke up and looked at myself this morning in the mirror and was like [ __ ] I look old I was like just
like my skin looks bad my [ __ ] wrinkles were coming out and I was like oh God this is the Beginning of the
End um yeah for real oh my God my mom Mom
what are you talking about oh sh okay I'm so sorry we are
texting about Britney Spears's biography which I just finished which means you're really upset um and my mom is like I'm
not going to read it it's about publicity I'm like what are you talking about Mom everyone's terrible except Britney Spears it's about publicity what
do she mean like she's like oh it's just she just wants people to like be on her side and you're like yeah I'm 100% on
her side I'm 100 we destroyed her South Park the whole world South Park did the
did you see that South Park episode of course we it's like we should just kill her in public terrible was exactly what
we did to her yeah and that's that's before all the really bad stuff happened
you know like everyone is everyone is in trouble for that one I didn't do
anything I didn't do anything you were there you didn't say anything
oh God I could have saved Britney so it's
everyone's where did you see the dock no I read her book oh okay did it just come
out or something yeah it just came out like a couple weeks ago I'm sure it's good finished it it is it's just it's
just sad it's a whole it's a sad story her parents are [ __ ] terrible she's like my sister's a [ __ ] which sounds like she is and you just feel so bad for
her I feel somewhat complicit actually because her
that guy she married Sam whatever he was Iranian and so I have to claim him as
part of our own and when it started I was like don't do the thing where you
just get married to someone for their money and fame and then take it from the like just please change the dynamic of R
aians in this country please but he didn't well I don't think there's an
Iranian stereotype of you guys marrying famous people for money is there I would marry a famous person for
money well yes itn't all of your people have that
stereotype if I do it it is edict um um no I think he's I think he
seems nice like he he was I kind of weird that he was there when she was under her conservative ship with her dad
but she also they got divorced after like right now they're getting divorced and he's like I wish her the best in as
opposed to Justin Timberlake who turned off all of us Instagram comments because everybody wants to see him sent to the
Moon wait I don't hold on said how he
was the worst he they they like he married her like for like a year like
not even that it doesn't make you a bad person well I guess he did it for quite a while
yeah guess say first met in 2016 they got engaged in 21 they got married in 22
oh you know what hold on so the two got engaged in September 2021 before marrying ashari and spear signed a
prenup agreement to protect Spears estimated $60 million
Fortune she was pregnant with the third with her third child and ashar's
first um I mean I know all this oh okay well he's okay so he wasn't after her for
money okay fine no he's not a bad guy well stop being prejudiced towards my people then damn it not like the rest of
those Iranians always marrying people for their money several places Barbara sty I'm coming
for that gold um anyways here we are now are you drinking
Taylor uh I'm drinking ginger ale that which is part of my theme because it's like not as good as actually drinking
and then I will get some wine when it's your turn is my plan oh so should I have wine while it's your turn if you want to
you don't have to do I have to you can wait no you don't have to do anything
all right fine I'm going to wait did you do intro oh yeah sorry welcome to D
fail this is be okay PH down this be a long one open
my um welcome to do no fail podcast where we cover two relationships of redom the fail one historic one true
Prime I'm fars joined here by Taylor Taylor is going to go first today we were just having a bunch of banter and
forgot that we were supposed to be doing a podcast because we're we are actually friends in real life people Taylor's not
faking a friendship I'm not making Taylor up as a friend she's a real
friend yes text sometimes it's true it's true um yeah just you know we're Team
Britney and I speak for both of us yeah why do we want to send just I saw that
you posted something on Facebook about let's kill all kill Justin Timberlake and I was like why
throw um well he would kill him though he well I know but he sucks he said that
like like um he like went got really famous on the idea that like she was terrible and he was like this like
slighted person when he did tons of bad things to her like he cheated on her a ton before you know he like released his
CRI a river song he just like did all this stuff and then he also made her have an abortion like it was ultimately
obviously her decision cuz she did it but she like didn't want you she got pregnant when she was 19 and he didn't want her to do it and so instead of like
taking her to a doctor they had her take it was early enough that she could take like an abortion pill so she was like on the floor of the bathroom like bleeding
and crying and in ton of pain and he brought his guitar in and sang her songs to make her feel better and I've just never felt more intense rage in my whole
entire life against anything more than I have against 19-year-old Justin temp lake with a [ __ ] guitar being
like sorry that you aren't have my baby anymore anyway okay Point Counterpoint
um I'm not proud of a lot of things I've done in my past so if I'm judged by the standard I set when I was 19 that it is
that's true I should also be thrown into the sun I will say say your point is correct again we're going to be we're going to reach the same conclusion
Taylor again and again and again for totally different reasons yeah I agree with you because he cheat on
Jessica yeah well she sucks in her own right because she was like she does
antivaccine videos with RFK Jr I don't know if I I've never seen
that I trust Source yeah it's the world it's the internet Jessica the world is
the internet um so anyway we're fact check we're gonna fact check Taylor in real time I
will we RFK who is now running as an
independent which is GNA be really interesting she lobbied with vaccin antivaxer Robert FK RFK Jr um to review
like anti vaccine bills then she says I'm not antia well okay well you make a video with antia Jessica be lobbies with
antivaxer Robert F kener Jr don't pretend that you're not when you
are um she lobed against a bill for vaccines for children and it was one of
those ones where it's like parents should make those decisions you're like no they shouldn't the doctor
should what are you talking about wait it says like the bill was to it would limit medical exemptions from vaccines
without approval from a state public health officer
so wait the state wanted to pass a bill or what whatever whatever house wanted to pass a bill
to limit medical exemptions from vaccines without approval and so she was trying to reverse that or go counter to
that so in that situation it wouldn't limit medical exemptions from
vaccines the bill was trying to limit medical exemptions so she would say
like we I think she she wanted to make it easier for people to say no to vaccines is the
answer interesting um anyway anyway they have
enough press they don't need us they're dumb who cares I I would like to hang out with
them I don't know if they said they want to come on this podcast and do an interview would
you say no no of course not but they're not going to do that so why does it
matter Taylor you got to start thinking positively I absolutely will
not um okay so here we go we're starting off strong we're
starting off with antivaxers killing Justin Bieber and justtin not Justin
Bieber Justin Timber timberl timberl sorry Bieber you're okay we'll we'll allow you to live you're safe um okay so
Taylor what are we gonna be discussing today um let me get my my paper up um
all right so I'm going to do a bit of an an anthology and I'm going to name some
names and then you tell me who I'm talking about okay okay I'm just GNA start naming
names and then I'll pause after each one and then you tell me what they well I guess I'll name two and you tell me what they have in common
y Elbridge Jerry William R
king nothing Hannibal Hamlin
oh P Morton nope um Levi P Morton no jeans Alin W
Barkley what was that one PR jeans no uh Charles
Curtis John Garner shiler
kofax baseballer nope um okay now I'll give
you an easy one rich Richard Nixon President Gerald
Ford Dan Quail members of the House El Gore Representatives Senators Dick Dick
Cheney oh my God yes yes the vice president's first for [ __ ] [Music]
[Laughter]
sake you started with Nixon man you started
with Nixon I was I was then I was going into ones that like we're more famous vice presidents like Al Gore is famous
for being a vice president who the hell was Nixon the vice pres I didn't even know he was the vice president of
anybody um yes he was Eisenhower as vice president and did you know that Nixon's
daughter married Eisenhower's son or opposite oh that's cute that I married in the white house I think it's kind of
sweet um okay I wrote okay you're right we're talking about vice presidents but I'm going to strike that from the record
because it's been a long day I've been driving all day um no this is not no one's fault
um so anyway you and you also are correct they we're talking about about white men
because there have been 49 vice presidents 48 white white men one was a woman and one was a person of color who
we know is our current vice president um that's just for the record um so I got here in a couple ways my
father-in-law sent me an article about one of them I'm going to talk about that's kind of interesting also our
latest former vice president suspended his campaign so he was in the news recently um and I was also reading this
book to the kids which is the day in the life of Marlon bundo seen this which is
about yes it is about Marlon bundo who is Mike Pence's bunny but it is written by John Oliver and in this book Marlin
bundo meets a boy bunny that he wants to marry and a familiar looking stink bug
says no they can't get married that is that is a very good night
fense it's anyway it's a lovely story about about marriage and this is the vice president's house that we're going
to learn about because the naval Naval Observatory exactly um so of the 49 vice
presidents I'm gonna tell you about five of them Aaron Burr Millard Filmore
William Rufus King Henry Wallace and Spiro T agu oh agu is a fun one I don't
really know much about him so I need you to help me with that because I have some stuff but I'm going to need a little bit more so here's some other interesting
things about vice presidents the word Vice in this context is Latin for in
place of so vice president is the person who can who can be in place of the president originally the vice president
was a runner up to the president in voting which is terrible and of course it didn't work cuz like wait in the
general election yeah I mean not like there were ton of people voting in like 1776 or
whatever but um and the the original thing was the the vice president was
just the runner up which is how John Adams got to be um the vice president I
kind of like that um but they're never going to do anything because they're not going to get
along that's true but they mostly historically [ __ ] that guy well yeah no
I yeah get that what I'm saying is like I like it in the sense that it like takes away the
party the power of the parties in this pretty big way which is always a good
thing yeah totally um so the 12th Amendment that was ratified on June 15th
1804 revised the procedures of how the President and Vice President are elected and added that they are elected together
so it didn't last long that they were separate but now they're like on the same ticket after 1804 um the vice president is the
tiebreaking role um so in case of a a deadlock in the Senate they can vote um
John Adams's title when he first became vice president was his Excellency the
vice president of the United States but no one else said that ever again they just said vice president because that was a little much
stupid the vice president takes an oath of office just like the president does um they have some perks the vice
president's residency as you said is the Naval Observatory in Washington DC have you been there I've never been there I
don't even know where it is I'm assuming it's close to the White House I'm really proud of you I feel like you knew a lot
about it it's located on the grounds of the United States Naval Observatory it's um a 33 room Queen an style home and
it's been the official residence of the the vice president since the 1970s um before that they could live
wherever they wanted but now they live in this house which like I'm sure they
love sure they love um kamla Harris didn't move into it until a couple months into her ter because she had it
renovated I I would toally defin because there was a bu definitely because there was a bunny living there which is
probably gross wait what well we know Marlin bundo lived
there before Harris lived there yes of course of course how do you get a f
dat yeah exactly um so just like president the vice president has two
terms in office this is part of the 22nd Amendment which they was passed after fgr died where you really can't really
have to only do it two times um the first vice presidential debate occurred in 1976 between wal Walter mandale and
Bob Dole um and then in the event in the event of the president's death or inability to perform the vice president
is the first in line which you know yep and then there is only temporary until
the next election 16 of the 49 presidents have gone on to become presidents those are John Adams Thomas
Jefferson Martin Van Beren John Tyler Millard Filmore Franklin Pierce Andrew Johnson Chester Arthur Teddy Roosevelt
Calvin kulage Harry Truman Lyndon Johnson Richard nion Gerald Ford George HW Bush and Joe Biden do you remember
the in the in the oh God who knows in the um 90s or when George Bush lost to
Clinton and um SNL had that skit where Dana Carvey would play him and he would cry and be like I'm a one termer do you
remember that oh yeah he Danny Harvey was amazing as George Bush read my lips no taxes that's what did the whole no
new taxes thing did a in yeah oh my gosh so eight of those 16 were due to the
death of a president the first was John Tyler became the 10th President of the United States upon the death of
President William Henry Harrison um think William Henry Harrison died because there was poop in the water at
the White House um it was a just a bad time to be alive for for water um but no
one really knew what to do um so at first it was um they had like they just
were like okay then John Tyler can like you know kind of help for now um but now then they changed the um Constitution
and now there's a 25th amendment that says in case of the removal of the president from office or of his death
resignation or inability to discharge the powers and duties of the side office the same shall devolve on the vice
president so now it's a official um but John Tyler was the first that was in 1841 Millard Fillmore Andrew Johnson
Chester Arthur Andrew Johnson I feel like I never it would be hard for me to guess the name of the person who became
president after Lincoln died it's Andrew Johnson but like I would never remember that he's on the he's on the um what's
he on he's on one of the he's on the what he's on a bill no that's Andrew Jackson Ah that's how they get you
that's how they get you yeah um Teddy Roosevelt as we know Calin coolage Harry
Truman and Lyndon B Johnson um all became um president after their
president died um there's been some times when there was no vice president so like when Gerald Ford became
president there was no vice president for a while they didn't just like bump someone else up so there have been cases where there aren't any jald Gerald for
is like the most interesting Ascension to president in the history of this country I know I know it's a whole thing
we could talk about it at a different time for sure well we're gonna I'm sure we're gonna talk about because speo you
mentioned speo agu like if speo agu didn't go through what he went through and then Nixon didn't go through what he
went there would be no for like it was just criminality that caused to become
president yeah um and I I'm gonna say this later when I talk about agnu but I just think of future Rama where agu is
like that and is the head and then there's one there's oh my God there's one where like all the presidential
heads are in like a storage closet and they're talking about V and Gerald Ford's head is like I don't really think
voting is that big of a deal like oh shut up CU I vot for president oh my God it's so
funny so um okay so let's do some fun facts about these five vice presidents I
just kind of pulled out of the list of Vice Presidents so first there's Aaron Burr who um he was the third vice
president of the United States and I've said this before but I had a [ __ ] terrible US history teacher and like I
didn't know any of this until Hamilton came out like I just like didn't know and I'm like can you make this part of
VI history boring you piece of [ __ ] so um also I was doing some like AI about
the um the these guys for you know for our social media and I couldn't get AI
to give me um Aaron Burr without giving me Leslie odm Jr like gave me the actor who played him like it wouldn't give me
like a old white man it was giving me this like handsome young black man so I was like okay I'm gonna have to do this a different way with with AI um did you
see Hamilton guess what my answer is I don't know I
feel like sometimes you're like oh I'm maybe you're dating someone to want to do something cultural for a minute I
don't know that I never dat anybody that so here's the thing first off it's a play second off I have to see it so like
those two things do not drive my lifestyle and so no I've not seen it I think youd really like it it doesn't
make sense but anyway um so Aaron bur was born February 6 1756 in Newark New
Jersey he came from a very religious family he studied um law at Princeton his family was like ministers Etc um he
fought in the Revolutionary War he distinguished himself in the Battle of Quebec on December 31st
1775 he attempted to recover uh a general's corpse and that gave him got him like accommodations um he was in a
battle in Manhattan in 1776 and he should have been commended Washington
was the General he was under but Washington didn't like commen in or talk about him and and that he was really upset about it he was always like a
little bit hurt by it he's always like kind of On The Fringe of being like a part of the founding father group um he
ended up leaving the Army in 1779 due to illness he married a woman named
Theodosia Bartow brost theod doia is such a beautiful name and it's confusing and like long and I think that you
should put that on your list for things to name you for your Childs it sounds a good drug theia it's it's pretty um
there's a beautiful song in Hamilton about it because theia was married mared and she was older when they met and he was like very still very very in love
with her um her husband died and then they got married they had one daughter Theodosia Burr Alston so the daughter's
was also Theodosia also incidentally that daughter during the War of 1812 her
husband was a governor of South Carolina and he sent her North to New York for safety she went on a schooner called The
Patriot and it was lost at scene and she was never h for him again so that was sad yeah and so now he's around politics
John Adams uh doesn't love him not a lot of people are like super impressed by
him Washington wrote by all I've known and heard Colonel Burr is a brave and able officer but the question is whether
he is not equal talents at Intrigue um like in Hamilton they say if you stand
for nothing you'll fall for anything like no one can really figure him out um he is into New York politics and he
creates a bank called The Manhattan company which merged with Chase in 195 5 and became Chase Manhattan bank so he
started a bank that was around like hundreds of years and he did it in the guise of making safe water for the city
so he did this weird thing in downtown Manhattan where he dug a well and then
as he was making his company for the Safe Water because like water was really unsafe for most of human history he U
added oh I also get to invest some money so it became a bank so he kind of like backed his way into being a bank and people thought that was like kind of
tricky it's a little shady yeah exactly shady and then I
remembered that he dug this wall like he literally dug a well in in downtown Manhattan and I remember also in this
book this popular crime book by Bill James that we've talked about with has buch Stu on Lizzie bordon I read with
that there's also a murder that happened in New York um in 1800 a young woman
named Elma Sans had been missing for 10 days she was supposed to be married to a man named Levi weeks and um he was like
I just don't know where she is like no one could find her she had gone to go see him and then never um never returned
and they ended up finding her at the bottom of Aaron BDS well which oh wow creepy so just like a has nothing to do
with Aron bur but it's like a creepy thing that happened with his with his weal um so now the big thing um in 1800
Aaron bur runs for president on the same ticket as Thomas Jefferson um but not together so it's like they're both the
same party but they're running kind of like four president at the same time but this is before that rule so they weren't running together they were like both
running and they're somehow tied but then Jefferson ends up winning and he just does not like him um he wasn't
Aaron bur was not asked to be vice president again he did run for governor of New York um it sounds like he was
like really idealist but just like not trustworthy people just like didn't they didn't trust him um and then of course
there's the thing with Hamilton so Hamilton was in the middle of a scandal because of an affair which is like the
whole second act of Hamilton the music Le and they go back and forth in the papers like talking [ __ ] about each
other and Burr challenges Hamilton to a duel which is legal in New York City and
less legal in New Jersey so they do it in New Jersey it's like still legal but not like super
legal um they both shot once and
Hamilton died in in New York like the next day from being shot in the gut like through a spleen out his spine um it
could have been that the sun was in Hamilton's eyes they they had different guns someone said that Hamilton actually had like a trick gun maybe Hamilton just
um shot his gun into the air um who knows but either way um Aaron bur runs
away to South Carolina and makes it back to finish his job as vice president so he was still vice president when he
killed Alexander Hamilton that's incredible is that incredible um but
it's very dick chainy of him to shoot someone while being vice president but that guy didn't die right do you remember when that no no he didn't no
not only Taylor not only did he not die he went on National Television apologizing to Dick Cheney for getting
in the way of his bullet it was incredible he had just gotten released
from the hospital and there were there were hunting like peasants and so there was it was like a buck shot and so he
was he just got released from the hospital half he just had Pelt marks all over his skin from where the bullets
penetrated he's like I want to apologize to the president this is not his fault I brought undue attention to him was
incredible that's amazing I love it that I love that um so aronberg didn't stop
being vice president until March 2nd 1805 and he had a fair a farewell speech
that was like people were actually like you know Mak some good points he just kind of sucks as a person you know like
it just like wasn't going to work after this he ended up going west he tries to help Mexico overthrow Spain which is
technically treason because we had a um like a deal with Spain for the Mexican
territory he wasn't supposed to be to messing to like mess up in there but he
really wanted to start a new country in the west and become emperor of that country like he was out of his
mind yeah and then he gets exiled to Europe which is funny because he wasn't European like the first time he's in Europe he's he gets is when he gets sent
there because America's like we don't want you anymore even though you were like here from the beginning and he goes to the UK um I if you'll remember but he
spent time with Mary shell when she was a girl and her family so he spent time in like her dad's Bookshop like in that
time um when he was in in London and then he ended up um the England kicks him out and he
tries to go to France but Napoleon says no they won't take him in France either I am fully I'm fully on board with this
guy not being considered a Founding Father like he sounds like he's not the best person in the
world no he's kind of I don't I mean I don't know I don't know I want to read I should read more and do a whole a long
episode on him is a lot and I don't it's he do with some weird [ __ ] he ends up going back to the US changing his name
he marries a wealthy Widow named Eliza JL and they end up getting divorced and
in their divorce she has Alexander Hamilton Jr as her lawyer which is
hilarious that a flux that is a flux like that is unbelievable and just
amazing so I'm sure they just like obliterated him um he died in Staten
Island in a boing house and he uh died the same day at the age of 80 that his
divorce was complete and he's buried in Princeton New Jersey but he died like in a lot of debt and kind of like well he
had changed his name he was kind of like weirdly in hiding back in back in the United States in the
1830s he lived to 80 years old in the 1800s that's
incredible this incredible because I just looked up Dick Cheney's
82 Dick Cheney is like a 304 there is no way that man is 82 he's never goingon to
die like he he's survived how many he has like a fake heart like he's had multiple heart attacks he doesn't have a
pulse right because of like the way his heart his like heart's heart is isn't that a
thing yeah it's like constantly flowing blood through him no he is he is somehow
a Supreme Being I sh for that man Taylor first okay this is these are the years he had heart attacks 1978 1984 1988 2000
2010 and then a mild moderate contractile dysfunction of his left
ventricle I like shortly this incredible yeah he's going to out live all of us I believe he's yeah no it
makes so sense to that he's only that that old because I feel like he's been old forever yeah right
anyways that one the his first heart attack he was 37 years old so he started
having heart attack what he smoked three packs of cigarettes a day for 20 years
three packs Taylor do you know how many cigarettes that is no that is constantly
smoking cigarettes like you never stop like I'm surprised to eat food and brush his teeth because he would just cut SM
cigarettes um sorry I
derailed no I feel like you could look up a picture of like Hing fathers like in the background would be like Dick
Cheney in like a cloak you know like that I would not be surprised if he was like always around every rendition of
Dick Cheney as like a villain is always hilarious and pretty accurate yeah um
okay well that's the first one so that's Aaron bur our third vice president um so let's also talk about Millard Filmore
this is one I want to bring up for another weirdly topical thing that kind of isn't that interesting but um either
way here we go maybe maybe maybe don't maybe don't with that on our podcast we're trying to entertain people like
this is not interesting but let's go ahead Millard Filmore kind of looks like Alec Baldwin he was our um he was our
12th vice president and our 13th President he had other political offices before he was VP but he was born in on
January 7th 1800 in Upstate New York in a log cabin he was very smart he became
a lawyer and a politician he married a young woman named Abigail in 1826 and they had two children he was part of
like I know you were saying like getting different parties in involved is is a good thing and who knows when that will
actually happen but he was part of the wig party and the no nothing party do you remember those guys no called the no
nothings um so he no for a while look like Alec Baldwin doesn't he Crush that
Taylor yeah it's weird we'll share
pictures um so he is um this is pre-
Civil War America his stance on slavery is it is bad but the government can't
end it which is you know [ __ ] and he was put on the ballot with Zachary
Taylor who was a war hero he won he got on the ballot being like the fourth
person that people voted for so when they're doing these like conventions and they're voting for for someone to be vice president everybody does their
first vote and then if they can't figure it out they'll do their second they'll do the third they do their fourth you know you know they keep voting and
something that Millard Filmore did that Abraham Lincoln did too was like be everybody's second or third choice
because then once they're like done being riled up and their person will never be picked everyone's going to pick
their second choice and it's going to be you you know it's good smart good politican so yeah that's what he did um
he became vice president in 1849 and he hated it um it was boring he doesn't have the influence that he thought he
would have which is always the case cuz there's really not a ton to do when you're vice president um there was a lot of Westward Expansion a lot of slavery
in in the South um it's more complicated than that obviously but it's like a very tumultuous time on July 4th 1850
president Zachary Tyler attended an event to lay the Cornerstone of the Washington Monument he went back to the
White House ate some cherries drank some milk got sick and he died 5 days later um just from like old food probably yeah
you know it's hot you know how Dy is in July no yeah it's like so humid but
Zachary Taylor's last words were I am about to die I expect the summons very soon I have tried to discharge my duties
Faithfully I regret nothing but I am sorry that I'm about to leave my friends which is lovely sweet um yeah and so now
um Miller Filmore is President he is um there's the Fugitive Slave Act in the
north where people in the north can you know essentially like hunt enslave people who have tried to escape and
bring them back that's like a big thing that's happening a lot of like contention this is you know couple years
before the Civil War um there's stuff happening in Mexico and California um that you know there are there's annexing
there all those things um Napoleon is trying to steal Hawaii on that on one side so all the stuff going on and this
is the thing that I think is interesting and that I I think I've said before but he um really was excited about like
Miller Filmore really wanted was excited about the rest of the world and like thinking about expansion in like a big way so he sent the first expedition to
Japan in 1853 they landed there four months after the end of filmore's term
but they were the first like Japan had been like not colonized for a very very
long time and this was like the the first really like um no group of white
people who had had go gone there and the reason that I wanted to bring it up is because that was the one where the
captain's name was ma was Matthew Perry Oh and I I it's funny and also mat Perry
just passed away so um I think it's fun the two Matthew Perry's are the captain who went to Japan for the first time and
then our friend Matthew Perry um yeah there's also an austr Hungarian War
happening um he doesn't want to do it again Miller Filmore doesn't remember president again um Franklin Pierce
becomes the president um people Mark Millard Filmore as some of the one of the worst Presidents it sounds like he
just like it was more than he wanted like at first he was like this is cool a lot of power then he was like this is we
are right before the Civil War like I do not want to anything to do with this you know kind of reminds you Truman
um yeah yeah but Truman had I think Truman had even more obviously
responsibility in like a weird way like I mean yeah nobody wanted and as we'll see tman was a third of FDR's vice
presidents he had a different one every time yes so that's um okay so that's
Millard Filmore another one will uh right directly after him was under
Franklin Pierce the vice president was William Rufus King he was the 13th Vice President of the United States he was
only vice president for about six weeks until he died um he was the third vice president to die in office so he wasn't
vice president for very long but William R king was born on April 7th 1786 in
North Carolina he was Southern so Southern during this is again right before the Civil War um he was elected
to congress at 24 you have to be 25 to be a member of Congress but he was elected and then his birthday happened
and then he started so it was okay which is cool for young person um he loved
Andrew Jackson which we know is gross because Andrew Jackson from the $20 bill is like Trail of Tears Andrew Jackson
like very not not good yeah so I remember with Andrew Jackson so the whole thing was Lincoln wouldn't have
been able to get elected if he didn't have Jackson or something like he needed someone that was like more on the racist
side to like appease people wait are you talking about Andrew Johnson again damn it we not talking about Johnson talking
about Jackson sorry president okay so
um when Zachary Taylor died and Miller Filmore became president um William
Rufus King became the president of the Senate he was pro slavery um he argued
the constit ution was pro slavery you know he was fullon a southern guy um as far as civil war goes he became
ambassador to France who spent some time in Europe he may or may not have tried to marry a princess of Prussia but that
like didn't work out but interestingly this is the interesting thing about about King he never married but he did
live with James Buchanan for 13 years and really what we think what we know is
that they were like together together James Buchanan was President he was never married he was Eng to someone when
he was younger she died and he never pursued a woman again do you that's so
weird you said that so I looked up the list by US news of like the worst Presidents in American history guess who
number one is who Ed Jackson James be
Canon they rang was the number one worst they said he refused to challenge either the spread of slavery or the glowing
growing block of states that became the Confederacy they areu that he was a big
reason why the why we fell into the Civil War to begin with makes sense yeah
um which is um but you know while he was doing that he was living with King and
James duanan referred to their relationship as a communion Andrew Jackson Who again isn't great but he
mockingly called them Miss Nancy and Aunt fancy because they like dressed really fancy and that was sort of a 19th
century euphemism for an feminite man call
call yeah got it yeah um around town William King was referred to as James
Buchanan's better half and um Buchanon started to adopt King's mannerisms and
romant romanticize Southern Culture so like become very like more like in tune
with the South which also like you were saying like really helped the Civil War get everyone get more more riled up um
Buchanon later wrote a letter saying that like he had tried to woo several gentlemen to no avail um so just to
other people that imply that he was you know trying to find a partner in a man
um most of the letters between him and King were destroyed upon their wishes so we saw that again with elanar Roosevelt
and luren Hickock like they want their letters destroyed um and the problem with this is like who knows if they were
together it sounds like they were they lived together you know for a very long time um we talked about how people like
you know had different intense friendships and how people would say like oh Lincoln you know when Lincoln is
like oh I slept in a bed with this man but we talked about this before how like you just did that when you were like on the circuit like being a circuit lawyer
you would like share out TS of people and it wasn't like to nice full BS you know um and who knows if James B Canon
would if that like term if he could if the term could even be there but James zanan is also people call him the first
gay president um we don't know if he like would have called himself that um we don't know about this relationship we
have assumptions um the other thing is like you you don't want to take that away from like an actual person who
might be the first gay president in the future you know like who's like out about it but you could say this the first out person you can say that with a
lot of things like oh this is the first gay person doing this and you're like that's probably just the first out gay person doing that sure you know yeah
yeah so who knows um but so they liveed together later after King's death became
with become president so he they weren't together when he was president um but William King was nominated for vice president in the 1852 Democratic
National Convention he was in Cuba when he became vice president he's the only vice president to be sworn in outside of
the United States because he was um sick and he had like tuberculosis and then he
went back to back North and died two days later at the age of 67 so he was
only vice president for about six weeks yeah do you know that tuberculosis
do you know that tuberculosis is the number one killer of um is the number one infectious disease killer of anybody
in the world 1.8 billion million people die every year from
tuberculosis I thought it was malaria no
unless the podcast I listen to on my drive home lied to
me um cool that's terrible there you go
the more you know also do you know who the number two worst president in American history is ranked
is who Trump they go they go the only living
president to be impeached twice no no no wor people the only
president in history to be impeached twice is what it said good job good job
um and James candidat is ahead of him that's the whole thing yeah um so now
let's skip ahead a bunch um talk about Henry Wallace Henry Ard Wallace born October 7th 1888 was the 33rd vice
president in the United States he was FDR's second vice president so this is
one that my father ands Happ me because there's a new book about him out there that I haven't read yet but I think would be interesting to go dig a little
bit deeper but Henry Wallace is from a very very American Family he's from Iowa they're from Rich farming like farming
royalty in the midwest his dad was secretary of agriculture in the 1920s um
he learned a lot about botney from George Washington Carver do you remember who that is yeah he invented a bunch of
stuff I mean yep peanut butter peanut butter right that's like the big one that's big one but George Washington
Carver was black and he was not allowed to go to some of these like big universities so he went to Henry
Wallace's house and they did a lot of like experiments together and learned a lot and he was like obsessed with corn
he like campaigned for like getting essentially like a genetically
modified perfect beautiful corn like he was obsessed with corn um he campaigned for a lot of farming bills like
government grain I don't know enough about this but this is like during the post depression during the New Deal you
know how they like control the price of grain by like destroying some grain like not letting some people grow where they
need to grow there's like it's complicated and I don't know the exact details but there's something
um where like people are starving but you know you have to keep the price of grain at a certain level or farmers will
starve so you have to like not have that much grain so you destroy it but then you're like but people were starving but
like if they didn't do that then like the assumption is that farmers would go out of business so it was a whole
complicated thing but he was a big part of that um he was doing all of this he was a Republican and then 1936 he became
a Democrat because he liked the New Deal and he liked FDR he became the secretary of agriculture under FDR
and um when er when FDR was up for his third term he wanted Wallace A lot of people didn't want him um because his
like of his like Midwest more conservative uh upbringing so FDR sent
Elanor to make a speech and um to the nominating committee and this is when
she said this is no ordinary time you cannot treat this as you would an ordinary nomination in an ordinary time
and the speech had quote a magical calming effect and um everyone was like
great and that's the reason that she was the really the reason that they put him on the ballot um he was definitely like
Southern in a way like Iowa I don't know was it Southern but it's like he was like Pro segregation you know things
like that that were happening still during that time um he ended
up going kind of traveling around um different parts of of North America he
went to Mexico brought some new tools that he had helped invent like on as like a rich far Farm guy and he ended up
hiring a man named Norman Boro to run this um thing in Mexico where they like made it easier for Mexican Farmers to
harvest and um that man ended up winning a Nobel Peace Prize and credited with saving two billion people from
starvation so the stuff that he did with like agriculture is a big deal he really modernized it because it was stuff that
like you know an American Farmer could do in an hour it would take a Mexican farmer like 12 hours by hand you know he
brought them that technology which is cool um he was on the he was a very
active vice president he was on the board of economic Warfare the supply priorities and allocations board which
was like deciding what we sent over to Europe um he was in the a top policy
group that became the Manhattan Project and he became a Lon between the Manhattan Project and fgr tell them like
what they were doing um in May on May 8th 1942 he delivered his best
remembered speech and he said World War II was a war between the Free World and
a slave World Peace must mean a better standard of living for the common man not merely in United States and England
but also in India Russia China and Latin America not in the united not merely in the United Nations but also in Germany
and Italy and Japan so really being like you know we should everyone should be
equal we should all have rights and that ended up of course turning him into someone who liked
communism did you see that how how we got there so he spent a lot of time in
the Soviet Union and he wasn't picked for a third term and we know that Harry triman was um
and he continued to deliver speeches after he got home um one thing he said
that I think is pretty on point is there was after the Detroit race riots in 1943
he said quote we cannot fight to crush Nazi brutal brutality abroad and condone race race riots at home so I think
that's fair you have to cut this out um he was religious and a little bit Pro
Soviet he swore Truman in as a successor um and he became Secretary of Commerce
um Truman said that the two most important people on his team were Henry Wallace and Elanor Roosevelt they like
helped him get through everything he had to get through um but the other thing that he started to do was go get more
and more and more and more left like super left um after the war he wanted to just leave the Soviet Union alone and
let them do their own thing he ran for president in 1948 um under the Progressive Party which is a new party
the Communist Party of America endorsed him and like all third parties he got 2.8% of the vote and Truman became
president um in the 1950s Leslie Groves you'll remember from the Manhattan Project he he said that he would not
tell things to Henry Wallace because he didn't trust him he thought he was going to tell it to the Soviet Union because
he liked it so much that's and then here's the other weird thing is he was raised a calvinist and a presbyterian
but he dabbled in mysticism so he spoke with astrologers and mediums and he wrote letters to the theosophist
Nicholas rorich who was from Russia and he would um it was kind of like he was
like a little bit rutiny you know like a like a weird like Russian Mystic that would talk about like past lives and all
these things and he really like was super into it and he like told people that he was super into it um he did
send this guy on a bunch of like missions all over Asia to find um to
find different plants they could like Harvest but a lot of it ended up in fraud and a lot of it turned into just
like these trips to learn more about communism um and he um so he did that and people sort
of like backed away from him because of those like really really left leaning feelings and like the weird mysticism thing thing he was like yeah he's like
I'm a little bit Mystic but like aren't we all God this is great which is like cool people just weren't ready for that
he really went the Charlie Manson route yeah people weren't ready and um
you know when I was reading about him there were some questions like you know would there have been atomic bombs would
there been a cold war um with with Henry Wallace or would Co in like another flip
side like would communism have spread to more of the Middle East to more of Europe you know with him as well so
there's like like it's you can speculate what would have happened if he had become president but it's a near Miss in like any some other direction you know
yeah um and Henry Wallace died of ALS 1977 so he lived a long time as
well and then finally let's talk about spirio agnu and I need you to help me finish it
because I don't have the ending of it hopefully you know more than me um or I only know him from
Futurama you know um with as just a body that goes somehow just a body I don't
know how he even make sence but he he speo Theodore agnu was born November 9th 1918 in Baltimore he was a
39 vice president he was only the second to to resign I think Calhoun resigned a while ago but I don't remember why his
dad was a Greek immigrant during World War II he went to Europe he was in the Battle of the Bulge um so he was you
know definitely active during that time he was a Democrat but a lawyer told him that he'd have a better chance in
politics if he was a republican so we switched parties um he was very big in Maryland
politics he was the governor of Maryland District Attorney um he
said some things that were like kind of racist um no towards black
people towards he used some derogatory terms towards other peoples that wasn't
great um he initially supported Nelson Rockefeller for president but when he dropped out he nominated Nixon of the
RNC in 1968 um there was a commercial that um
that ran and I I wonder if I can find it on YouTube but the commercial it just would say agu her vice president
question mark and then it would just be like laughing for a long time and then coughing and then it said this would be
funny if it weren't so serious yeah a lot um but they won and he became vice president he was the
first vice president to have an office in the White House and like be there with the president and be more active um
and he started to give these speeches and kind of doing weird things a bit
behest of Nixon so he would be very like um everything's fine you know or like you
talking bad about the people who didn't like them but like he was you know really being that person out out in the media and he was one of the first people
to be like you can't trust the media because they're going to tell you this and this and this you know um and actually like saying that out loud um so
the thing that I didn't realize um is that agnu resigned before Nixon did and
it was before Watergate yeah um he faced allegations of corruption when he was governor of Maryland he accepted bribes
Kickbacks illegal payments and then he got a plea agreement and ended up residing in
1973 um which I don't know I don't know I thought it was related no no it was
know about spe well I know that he was mostly like a non he was a non- entity
in terms of his role in the presidency except for the fact that he basically did his best to conjure up all the worst
instincts of Nixon which had mostly to do with paranoia [ __ ] over by other people because n was just historically
known as like I'm not good enough nobody thinks I'm good enough but I'm good enough and like he have one of those
mentalities and ser kind of played with that a little bit um yeah and then and then yeah like he he he resigned way
before anything happened with um Whitewater Gerald Ford was speaker of the house that time which is now a role
held by Mike Johnson which is his own separate story third in line third in line now we
know um and for's head being like votes aren't important yeah yeah you know
what's funny though is I am because we're talking about presidential politics like I was just listening to do
you remember Steve Schmidt no okay he was um he was uh um
McCain and Sarah Palin's um campaign well not the campaign
manager but he he the factor campaign manager he was a head consultant he was actually played by by Woody harelson in
Game Change the HBO show movie about um The Campaign and he very famously did
not vote in that election because of what he saw in the campaign Trail and about how disqualified Sarah Palin was
from being president um and now as like a de Democrat he tries to get Democrats elected he he started the Lincoln
project anyways long story short was I listened to a really fascinating podcast because he's like an old-head political
guy and he talk he was talking about the santis and he he was like cuz like
there's a picture of the santis after some hurricane and he's in an area that is just bone dry like the
sun is on the ground and he's wearing these like knee high white like what do you call them like booties or whatever
yeah GES yeah and he and he has like the FAA where he's got like his his jeans rolled over his belly button and stuff
and he was like that picture like he like the thing that guests people elect to pres the presidency is just looking
presidential if he were to actually get out of a primary the Democrats would plaster that picture everywhere and that
is the least presidential looking thing out there and and I just thought it was really interesting because you brought up spe AG I was like man it's funny
because even the name doesn't really disqualify you like Barack Obama spe agnu no but like the image has to fit
and if the image doesn't fit like mandale like or um we a thinking of Massachusetts
governor think think about Dukas in that tankus exactly yeah I just Googled it
it's hilarious um and it's so funny that that ruined him but he looks like a little nerd in a tank you can't do it
you can't look like a nerd yeah and what's funny is like like okay so he's kind of a nerd because you
know he's a Harvard guy and a Yale guy he's one of these like one of these Ivy Tower guys he's also like a military V
but it's like you look like a dweeb though like get somebody on your campaign team to like tell you how to dress like I don't know who's telling
you this stuff 100% yeah and that only is like I mean
that's one of the first things you learn in like communication school is like you know the first time that started
happening is when you first saw the people who are running for president like the Nixon Kennedy debate of course Nixon's going to look terrible he had
the flu he wouldn't put on makeup and then Kennedy's like this like hot shot handsome dude with like makeup on and talking he looks amazing so I mean
before even before then like for a huge part of it the actual person running for president didn't campaign at all yeah it
was like it was shown as like a like not cool for them to actually be out there so it was just like them other people
talking on their behalf which is not at all what we see right now you you were
chosen by your party and by the people to be the president you were not exped
to be out there campaigning it was seen as like unse me to be out there campaigning on your own
behalf yeah um I've never I've in my in I it's just
like in my years in politics I've never seen so
many obvious rookie first year intern
level missteps in the D santis campaign like all of it just like from the it's just like it's like it was just it was
how did you [ __ ] everything up you know what's funny he was on a he was there's another podcast I listened to recently
and the guy somebody was like basically telling him this he like you realize like you are [ __ ] everything up right
like literally everything from like how you announce when you announce how you present yourself the pictures of you the
way you talk your interaction with people everything you [ __ ] up his fundraising he's [ __ ] up because he's
fundraising for the general which means half the money in his bank account it's not usable because he's doubling up on donation it's just it's so incred like
Taylor like me and you could run a better fuing campaign at the presidential level any level in this
yeah anyway sorry this has nothing to do with well it kind of has something to do with what you're saying but whatever no
please I think well as uh dagus is still alive um yeah no I think these are
um yeah I liked I mean there's so many there other vice presidents who did like weird things it's like a weird job where
like you're not supposed to do anything and then like maybe one day you get the most important job in the world and then maybe it's nothing you know yeah and
yeah that's that's crazy um to have that and then um yeah just
some interesting ones Aaron bur is just like wild that he just killed someone continued and then did all this weird
stuff like there's so many fun stories in there which is why I think it's there's so there's a lot of ways
to I don't know talk about you history to make it fun he's wearing high heels
on a talk show that is like it's on a platform where they're capturing both
parties entire body it's like who told you to do this nobody could tell how tall you are when you're sitting down I
know we only know you're short and you're lying about your height because you want God somebody help this guy
please like do something don't just let him let him crumble um if it's not him but that's
the thing if it's not him it's going to be Trump like that is the thing that's most transparently obvious is that it is going to be Trump if somebody doesn't
knock him off only one who has a shot is like maybe this
guy but barely if he doesn't keep [ __ ] it up but anyways um Taylor that
was fun I love politics yeah yeah yeah good I'm glad you thought that was fun I
like I had fun looking at this list and being like Oh that guy and like you know what the hell
did you know I I know more of them now but like John Breen Ridge what did he do
I don't know John C Calhoun was one of the ones that was supposed to be like one of the worst that was under Andrew Jackson who we don't like um but yeah I
want to uh and and I love I think maybe a deep dive into like Teddy Roosevelt somay would be fun like he you know when
he became president he [ __ ] he loved being president so much um and it's just fun that he got to
be did they name Colorado after this guy oh my God they
did wait after who Colorado was named in Brien ridge's
honor oh but they changed the name the Colorado Town changed the
spelling of its name when its Nam snc joined the Confederacy that's
good wow wait who's Breen Ridge yeah so yeah
his name is spelled with an i bre in Ridge and the city changed its name to
bre n Ridge ah I see
nice he was the vice president under James Buchanan who and then after that
was Lincoln and then Hannibal Hamlin I mean I don't know anything about Hannibal Hamlin it sounds like he was
because Andrew Johnson I don't know so anyway there's a lot to learn uh next year is g to be so fun oh
my God I cannot cannot wait presidential years are so fun oh my God my kids are excited
they're like when is it when is election I'm like it's in a year and they're like okay I don't know it's fun what what do you think is going to have we're coming
in from different perspectives what do you think what do you think is going to shake out I'm hoping that RFK splits some of
the Republican vote I don't believe in third parties I think that like I get that people are sick of two parties but
like we there's no third party [ __ ] Governors you know like you can't do anything a third party president is
going to do absolutely [ __ ] nothing so there's no point in having one until they get a following in other ways so I
think it's going to be I don't know hopefully I don't know it's G to be two
old guys after each other and if Trump wins we're even more [ __ ] especially
women and gay people and it's going to be terrible they're going to try to get rid of a lot of things and make it more
religious which is so stupid because Trump is like if Trump believes in God I'll eat my hat Trump does not obviously
religious pi b obviously does not you know um so it'll be terrifying and
there'll be a lot of things I have had thoughts that like Trump could have probably been one of the best presidents
if he wasn't such a [ __ ] [ __ ] because he could drag the Republican Party wherever he wanted when he wanted
to do criminal reform that's what the Democrats have always wanted he was like okay criminal reform right we'll do that
and like all these Republicans like whoa whoa whoa we have to go along with this and like they did like it like Trump
could have came out and said universal healthcare for all and he could have done it because he would have dragged the party with him and she's like dude
you had so much power like you could have done so many great things I totally agree with that you're like arguing
about your crowd size and like what are you doing remember when he raised the smoking age 21 and like no one talks
about it I did seriously I didn't know that happened yeah it's not weird it just like happened and like he was like
yeah people should have smoke and you're like yeah so he raises age and you're like okay that that's fine we can we can
live with that that's what I'm saying weird do anything he could give
anesty to whoever he wanted he could [ __ ] all of it [ __ ] narcissist he just can't do it yeah I don't know it's
bad and I just I don't I don't like any I think it worries me um for basic human
right [ __ ] yeah I I think from where I'm sitting I think that the most likely
outcome is he ends up winning and that's the most likely thing that's going to happen yeah you don't
think he's gonna go to jail or do you think him going to jail will preclude him from winning the
presidency how can that possibly be amazed over and over again by this but like literally how could that possibly
be something that could happen because it's not even about the party or the country it is about him as a person like
this is cult to personality [ __ ] like this is and he's the worst of the
people and and and to that they would say well that's what the establishment wants you to think he's trying to fight
against Against The Establishment I know cuz I was I was I spent a lot of time reading about like Iran's Revolution and
reading about the ayatolla and was like this sounds just like here and Trump
this literally sounds the exact same well everybody vote vote in your
local elections those are also very important yes yes everybody vote if you want if you believe in third parties
then [ __ ] run for City Council on a third party B ticket you know like do something else besides it's like every
four years splitting a vote yeah I mean that's that's thing
like the good thing about RFK is who knows how it'll split it'll split as many Republicans as will Democrats like
it would actually be like the most even balance split party thing I think out there because so many people are like
because he is a Kennedy so he's part of democratic establishment but he's also like an antivaxer so he's part of the crazy wing and like I don't know I love
that all of his siblings are like he does not represent her father they like wrote to the paper and
they were like we do not support him we do not endorse him he does he's against everything Our Father stood
for yeah which is we'll see we'll see what happens Taylor we got to cut this off because we're going to run into a
two hour long podcast if we don't okay I'm gonna get whne now I'll be back wait wait follow us wait no no
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