Welp. Just in time for holiday travel, Farz decided to tell us about the Tenerife Airport Disaster in 1977. Experienced pilots met with fog, a terrorist threat, fueling issues, confused air traffic controllers... All relatively small things that were in just the right order to cause the deadliest Plane Crash of all time. Anyone (like Taylor) who had a serious fear of flying to get over will have Wikipedia'd this story, it's a doozy. One time, mid-panic attack, a flight attendant told her she could die a thousand deaths, or she could enjoy flying and just have the one, however it comes. Which was very helpful, not all heroes wear capes. Enjoy Thanksgiving with your family, y'all!! Don't bring up politics, may we suggest plane crashes & emperors? Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/doomedtofailpod/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/doomedtofailpod Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@doomedtofailpod TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@doomed.to.fail.pod Email: doomedtofailpod@gmail.com
Welp. Just in time for holiday travel, Farz decided to tell us about the Tenerife Airport Disaster in 1977. Experienced pilots met with fog, a terrorist threat, fueling issues, confused air traffic controllers... All relatively small things that were in just the right order to cause the deadliest Plane Crash of all time.
Anyone (like Taylor) who had a serious fear of flying to get over will have Wikipedia'd this story, it's a doozy. One time, mid-panic attack, a flight attendant told her she could die a thousand deaths, or she could enjoy flying and just have the one, however it comes. Which was very helpful, not all heroes wear capes.
Enjoy Thanksgiving with your family, y'all!! Don't bring up politics, may we suggest plane crashes & emperors?
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[Music] in a matter of the people of State of California versus orthal James Simpson case number ba09 and so my fellow
Americans ask not what your country can do for you ask what you can do for your
and boom we're back Taylor it is Wednesday we are recording again
tomorrow's Thanksgiving we want to give thanks for you the listener me the host
Taylor the host um and me sweet and Taylor mostly Taylor uh sweet welcome to
Doom the fail uh the podcast where we cover a true crime or historical event I'm fars joined here by Taylor it is
Wednesday tomorrow is Thanksgiving but we're an evergreen show so I was going to cover a Thanksgiving topic but
decided not to because we are evergreen so we're not doing that we're doing
something else I don't know I don't know I feel like you could have done that I did Napoleon and the movie's coming out
today should we cancel recording and just I'm just saying I don't there are
no rules so I just don't want you to feel like you're beholden to any rules that we made up we're just like Al
steakhous no rules just right we've definitely said that before so perfect
exactly so today Taylor I'm GNA be drinking rum because we much like your
story are going to be focused on Islands
that are owned by the Spaniards all right cool right yeah um
so this one this story is a little bit a little bit unique because it kind of Falls in line
with like disasters and True Crime and kind of all but kind of come in mixing mix in together so the topic I'm be
covering is the deadliest Avi aviation accident in in
history have you ever heard do you know you know who which one is the deadliest one in history is that the one with the
PanAm plane yes yes I love this one I knew you in a terrible terrible way in
like a of course I've spent hours Googling plane grades yeah I actually I think I watched
this one while I was on a plane and was like man I do not look like the kind of person that should be watching this like
I'm the wrong shade oh my gosh you're you're the person behind you was like oh
my God what the what the [ __ ] is this guy doing one time Taylor I was on a plane and I had like I like have these
cords in my um my statue that has my laptop in it so I like the laptop charger phone charger the headset
charger all this [ __ ] that was in there and this like 60-year-old like texen
like super super Southern Baptist white woman was like behind me and I started pulling these cords out and the look on
her face like she was [ __ ] terrified it was incredible I was like man what
must it be like to go through life like this oh God I'm sorry I'm sorry for you I'm sorry that America is racist well it
was it was it was one example but I'm sure a lot of people have had that same thought and just didn't express it the
way she did just [ __ ] sheer absolute Terror it was awesome um another time
you know what I'm not going to tell that story yet I'm going to save I'm going to save some of the Intrigue for later on but I'm excited this is what I've
definitely thought about doing as well so I excited to hear from you seriously yeah because it's such it's
such a crazy story and I think that you're G to get into it but it's one of those things where like 7,000 crazy things go
wrong yes in things in ways that you wouldn't expect yeah yes
so this is called The tenar Reef disaster um and I am going to you know I
wrote here that like I I made like a little side note about how much I [ __ ] hate
musicals um and then I started putting this into a three-part act and was like
why do I keep doing acts when I hate musicals but anyways we'll we we'll carry on I think a lot of plays have
musicals but or plays have acts not just musicals but um I kind of don't like plays
either why is it because you feel embarrassed because sometimes you feel
embarrassed to the people on stage it's just like it's like how is this better than a Jerry brocker
movie it's just it's just different and whatever let's talk about that
later we'll have another it's a good way to organize a story is what we're getting to so that's fine we'll have
another episode where we just debate musicals versus J I used to not like them and then I just I feel like maybe
we should have another Lazy Sunday and I'll make you watch Oklahoma one day that sound fun yeah so
the three acts to my story are number one the setup basically like you said
before this accident required a ton of pre-existing conditions to occur before
it happens so the setup's kind of important then you have the accident then you have kind of a breakdown of the
causes essentially and I'm going to do a little bit of a of an epilogue to this one about where things currently stand
with the state of Aviation safety because we are about to head down a very slippery slope which is good for people
super excited cuz I'm definitely going on a plane in a few weeks so I know I thought about seeth Carolina yeah you
might [Laughter]
not Jesus Christ so getting dark here
um so the date we're talking about is March 27th
1977 two planes were making a trip to the Canary Islands and the two planes
were km for 805 km is a Dutch pasture
carrier it's basically their virginal American Airlines and this plane was flying from Amsterdam with 14 crew and
235 passengers then you have PanAm 1736 that
one originated that day out of LAX before it stopped at JFK in New York before making its way across the
Atlantic carrying 380 passengers and 16 crew both of these planes are 747s 747
or the biggest plane well no actually the Airbus A380 is not the biggest plane in the world but for like 45 years this
was the biggest plane this is the hump one the one that has a hump in the front of it uhuh like two stories yes so two
stories okay um both planes had exceptionally wellt Tred and qualified Pilots I I'm saying all this because
there's a reason for it like just so everybody knows like this this was not like you know somebody gave the joystick
to like a 10-year-old and the plane crash like some time here which happened in one of the other ones that I've
researched we got to talk about that one after this then but uh both these Crews
were incredibly well trained so the km pilot in particular is going to become relevant later on that Captain the one
in charge was a guy named Jacob van zaton and vanzan was km's main flight
instructor for pilots who were trying to get certified on the 747 in fact the people that were on the plane with him
the co-pilot was certified by the main pilot van Zen he was also on all of
kum's advertisements like he was the face of the brand from the Pilot's perspective
essentially both planes were on their way to an island in the canaries called Los Palmas to land at the airport there
which was basically it was just a normal airport multiple runways they were used to receiving a lot of traffic a lot of
international traffic a lot of jumbo jet traffic so that was the idea that what they're trying to do so around 100 p.m.
on this day there was a terrorist group with that's got to learn acronyms because this is a horribly horribly long
name so the terrorist group was called the movement for the independence and autonomy of the canary AR
archipelago let's get it yeah yeah call yourself the canaries that's even cooler
and darker you wear masks be cute um so these guys called the airport
authorities um in Los palas and told them there there was a bomb in the terminal and that they had 15 minutes
before it exploded the airport evacuated uh and as promised 15 minutes after that call a
bomb did explode at a foral shop that was in the terminal which injured eight people
and they had a shut of the airport they're like for some reason they thought there's another bomb on site but
long story short was they ended up saying no more inbound traffic we're vacing every from the terminal and that
was basically it so these two planes that were about to
land at this airport they just had this bomb explode started circling the airport and the air trffic controllers
in Los Palmas like just divert like there's another Island 74 miles away called tene they have an airport there
go land there because we have no idea how long it's going to take for this to open if you keep circling you might run out of fuel and crash anyways so totally
we've seen that Die Hard 2 yeah exactly exact well I haven't but you have um
that's what happens in Die Hard 2 there you go thank you so tene is like I said
it's another island in the the canaries owned by Spain like kind of the secrity
between our stories there uh and basically they have this one airport in
tenar Reef it's called Los rodeos and this was a regional airport so this was
like a puddle jumper airport like I remember when I went to Fiji and when you fly into Fiji you land
at the main like the biggest island in Fiji and that's kind of like the central Hub but Fiji has like 300 Islands so you
you could go to most of them and what you get on to go there is a absolutely
terrifying experience where it's just you and like one other person in the pilot and the pilot is just like has
coffee stains all over them and they're using papers to like navigate where they are like it is a nightmarish experience
I've had it once before but that's the kind of traffic that was meant to suit Los rodeos the airport that's on tenner
Reef but this day they found themselves trying to host these two P the PanAm and
the km flight as well as three other widebody Jets other
747s and because of that there was not a ton of space to taxi there was not a ton
of space at a terminal or on the runway itself so for this
part I wrote down I'm going to use my hands to paint you a picture tailor but we're not on screen so you're going have
to use your brain okay so I'm going to articulate it so okay I'm going to tell
you what the um layout was of the runway and taxi way at Los rodos okay so
picture a rectangle sitting down lengthwise on its side like a
Runway much like a Runway got it pictured the B botom of
that rectangle is the runway it's a nice big Runway the top of the rectangle is the
taxi way where the terminal is and where you go to kind of just get off the Runway and go to the terminal
right between the taxi way and the wrongway between the top of the rectangle and the bottom of the
rectangle there are four off ramps connecting the two and we're going to
refer to these as exits so exit one is connected connects it to in a straight
line so basically if you're trying to go on or off either one of them you take a 90° turn either way make
sense exit two and three they those connect the taxiway and the runway at a backslash angle so that
if you're at a small Regional aping plane you can exit halfway or so down the runway to the terminal so basically
it's at the end of the runway or like it's not it's not even there it's like closer to like halfway
to the runway so you just basically pull off you do like a little 30° turn and then you're off and you're at the
terminal then you have Exit 4 which is a forward slash angle and it's set up this
way so that if you don't have space to use the taxi way two or more planes can follow each other down the runway the
trailing plane can take Exit four the lead plane can go to the end of the runway and make a U-turn that's the idea
got it good so given where these two planes
ended up parking once they landed in tner Reef the km is the lead plane of this example and the PanAm is a trailing
plane the PanAm didn't want to be didn't really want to be in the trailing plane plane spot because they were already
cleared the takeoff and head back to Los Palmas ahead of the km plane because the um captain of the km plane decided that
he wanted to refuel at Tenner reath as opposed to Los palas so originally the
plan was you land in Los pal you refuel and then he flies back to Amsterdam now he has to land in Tanner Reef then Los
palas then Amsterdam is like [ __ ] it I'm just going to refuel here it'll make it a lot easier this ended up causing a
delay about 35 minutes and the PanAm plane couldn't get around the km plane so everybody was waiting for this scen
plane to get refueled during this time this 35 minutes a fog starts settling in
on the runway the one was already overpacked and that day there was only two air traffic controllers working and
at this point they really can't see anything that's going on on the runway like it was it was visibility
conditions that ordinarily means that you would never allow anybody to take off because you can't see more I forgot
what it was it was like 300 feet in front of me if you can't see more than 300 feet in front of me you can't take off and they couldn't see 300 feet in
front of them in addition to that there was no ground radar so there was Zero
visibility of what was going on outside so act two the
accident 35 minutes passed and the km was finally ready to kind of start going down the
runway to taxi and a takeoff again because the taxi way was packed full of planes at the terminal everyone leaving
Los rodos had to use the runway as the taxi way to get into position to take off so the idea was the km as lead plane
would go down the runway till it gets to the end make a U-turn and then go down the opposite direction of the runway to
take off the PanAm would follow the km down the runway but obviously needs to
get out of the way so it would take one of the exits I mentioned earlier to get out of the way and line itself up behind
the KLM and then take off behind it so around 5:00 pm that day the two planes
set off on the runway with PanAm being instructed to take Exit 3 exit 3 is the
Ford SL exit it was obvious and I actually
listened to and then read the the cockit voice recorders of this which is to Haring but oh my God on The Voice
Recorder you can hear that this crew is super confused as like what exit they're
supposed to take and it makes sense for reasons I'll get to later why they were so confused and it was interesting
because like the air traffic controls were [ __ ] dicks about it like they they're like being such jerks to the
pilots the pilots were asking them a ton they're like you said three like three
like wait are you saying one two three like one two three it's like
like they were PE they're so confused about this and the air traffic controls like [ __ ] these guys like they're just
trying to be rude to us or something and they were being really mean to them were they speaking in in English yeah there's
yeah English is the common language of all okay everything so um but I'll
explain why they shouldn't have been jerks to them here in a minute so because they shouldn't have been
jerks to them well yeah well okay so basically part of the
reason why there was confusion was a there was no markings on the exits so you had to count to the exit but as
you're going down the runway you're also doing your takeoff checklist so you have to run through all okay this button is
up that button is down you have to do all this [ __ ] and on top of that there's fog so you can't really see the runways
anyways but in addition to that it would become obvious that a plane of the size
of a 747 would have been impossible to have done a forward slash turn the way
that they were asking for it essentially looked like a back like a backward Z is how it would have looked it would been
like 150 degrees it would have been impossible to make the turn and that's also part of the confus like what are you talking about like how am I supposed
to are you sure you're saying three anyways so four minutes after starting down the
runway the km gets to the very end it makes it youturn into radius to air traffic controllers to tell them that
they're ready to take off the air traffic controller does what is basically standard procedure and tells
them what their route is going to be once they take off so here's what this is a quote of what the air traffic
controller says to the km plane km 8705 you are clear to the Papa Beacon
climb to and maintain flight level 90 right turn after takeoff proceed with
heading Z 40 until intercepting the 325 radial from Los Palmas
VR I have no idea where the [ __ ] that mean you're right and not understand that
what you should what should have been said after all of this was said was
cleared for takeoff that's the universal language used for he said you're cleared to he didn't
say you're cleared to takeoff so the very beginning he says you are cleared to Papa Beacon he didn't say you're
cleared to takeoff and was he clear for takeoff or no he was not clear for takeoff but at
that point but he said the word you're cleared okay yeah at that point the
pilot Bay zeton in Dutch says we're going and you hear the engines spool up
on the plane on on that part so we we do hear on the km side the air traffic
controller saying okay but due but due to interference on the radio uh what he
was actually saying was okay standby for takeoff I will call you so the pilot
says we're okay okay we're going and the and the air traffic controller says okay
and then it's just static because it's interference but what he was saying was okay standby for
takeoff right got it so by this point the PanAm was still
on the runway having gotten confused between Exit 3 and four at 506 this I
pulled this all off the actual um the transfer to the flight data recorder so it it goes by in second so this all
within the 506 time frame it's 50:6 p.m. but at 35 seconds someone on the km
flight inquires where the pan is cleared but they don't press the issue like it's they're like wondering if the plane is
has been cleared of the runway yet at the 41 second they can't see each other right or they can barely well so the 41
second Mark is the first time anybody sees anybody so the 41 second Mark 6 seconds after the engine starts ping up
the panm captain sees the light light on the landing gear of the km and realizes the plane in front of them is trying to
take off in front of them 2 seconds later the km pilot realizes the paym is
in his way and at this point he's going approximately 161 miles per hour and my
God at that point you can't break in time and so he you hear this is 56 uh uh almost almost it's
5:06 p.m. okay and at this point it's too late to break the captain says V1
which is what you do to kind of start that means like you have no choice you have to take off and you pull back on the Yoke and to try and lift the nose of
the plane up at the 50c Mark six seconds after he says pull up on the Yoke V1 you
hear the Collision on both voice recorders so what happened was when the panm saw
the km had heading towards them they applied full power and tried to steer the plane into the grass out of the way they never found the exit like even
where the plane was Landing it was never at the exit when the km realized the pay
was in front of them they tried to take off prematurely and they ended up scraping the bottom of the plane on the ground
for about 72 feet so they they're trying to get up and going the nose did clear
the PanAm it was the engines in the landing gear that caught the plane lengthwise so picture that I mean
they're t-boning each other right like or well yeah the km is M they're not face to face it's tting it
yeah they're t- boting it okay yeah the
km actually became Airborne briefly before it crashed and because they had filled the complete fuel tanks up it
just erupted into a massive Fireball basically not basically
literally everyone on the km died um so 248 people died on the km and three 335
people on the PanAm died 61 people survived plus one woman who didn't
reboard the plane after it landed in t reath because she was like [ __ ] it I don't want to go to Los Palomas anymore in total about 583 people ended up dying
that day oh my God so act three is the causes this is so interesting because
again so many things have to come together so there's a concept of Aviation known as The Swiss Cheese model
which sounds delicious but really what it is is it if you line up a bunch of like slices of Swiss cheese like you
might be able to get through one hole but the next slice will stop you or if that one isn't stop you the third one stops you and so Aviation Security and
safety is kind of built around this concept the Swiss Cheese model and so as a result if one thing goes wrong usually
it's not a big deal two things go wrong three like most of the time it's not a big deal it's only when a bunch of stuff
converge and that's what ended up happening in this situation so let's go through the ca real quick so
first things first terrorism so apparently God the history history is
insane so Spain so the Canary Islands had
indigenous people there and Spain invaded and made it
Spanish territory and so these natives were fighting back I mean you know we're
calling it terrorism like it was basically like a March against colonialism that's really what it was if
they hadn't did what they did that day in Los Palmas the planes would have presumably landed
fine and everything would have been fine like would have had any issues to their credit they did say that they should not
be blamed for this I just love the idea of like a terrorist group having a PR for be like
look we look like [ __ ] we got to get ahead of this yes we just set a bom had nothing to do with this you guys yeah
which is true like they could that wasn't yeah like it's exactly that like it's so many things had to happen for
this to happen so it's not the terrorist fault but like they started it but also defin also yeah let's I'm glad we I'm
laughing because I'm going to throw up I'm glad we have it on tape and it's being recorded
um the other is weather so the weather in tene sucked so the visibility like I
mentioned before under any other circumstances would have violated air air traffic regulations for them to take
off in but at that point there was nowhere to put these planes there were too big there were too many giant
[ __ ] planes in a tiny tiny airport and so they had to be like guys just get out of here like somehow get out of here
um the other I had to do with a time a duty time regulations so this is the
amount of time a pilot or flight crew that are allowed to work and be operational So currently it sits at
eight hours for pilots and 10 for crew members I had this exact same situation happened to me like a few months back when I was in DC where like my flight
kept getting delayed and pushed back and by the time we boarded a storm it came in DC and they're like we have to wait
until the storm passes and then all of a sudden it's 30 minutes like dang I can't fly we won't land in time for me to like
be in an operational safety window so the idea was that this pilot Captain van
zattin he was in a rush he was trying to get everybody over to Los Palma so he could board up as much as quickly as
possible and fly back to Amsterdam to be home that night um because because so much this was
based on his impatience the fact that he wanted to refuel is based on his impatience that slowed everybody down
the fact that he didn't listen for commands that was impatience and there's
another concept here I'm bring up here in a second so the refueling part so the runway at tane is
10,23 Ft the km struck the PanAm in the six to uh 5 to 6,000 foot Mark of it so
like a little over halfway down the runway a fully loaded 747
needs at minimum 7200 ft to reach the speed it needs to take off the amount of weight added to the
plane when he decided to refill in tenar Reef as opposed to Los palus about 32
tons [ __ ] huge amount of weight right yeah the idea is that it is
possible that if he had not refueled and he had the patience to just go to Los
Palmas and do what he was supposed to do there and refuel there that he would have had enough a light enough weight to
have taken off and missed the plane but even more critical if he didn't do that
if he didn't refuel he wouldn't have wasted 35 minutes before the fog came in
and obstructed all the views so that on its own could have prevented everything as
well the other one is a concept known as cockpit radiant so Junior cockpit crew
on X uh on K M had expressed concerns they had asked and been like is the
PanAm gone are we sure it's gone but the other guy van xan was so senior that
nobody really listened to him or like they were like they they didn't want to press the issue with him he like he's if
if he says it's okay it's okay like [ __ ] what I know and what my instincts are telling me I gota listen to what this
guy says and this like are you gonna talk about this fars I'm sorry but the
that like KLM tried to call him for to do PR after it yeah yeah no they didn't
call him to do PR after it they they the the executive leadership team at KLM
when they heard about this crash they're like okay um we got to send people over there send vanzan he's the most trained
and qualified person like he was the one flying the plane he's dead yeah like they couldn't they couldn't have imagined that he was involved in it
because they were like he's our number one guy yeah exactly so this is like such a crazy so this is so common in
aviation for some reason so there was one story I read about a United Captain who's Landing gear it was it wasn't
showing that it was Lo in a locked position so he kept circling the airport basically trying to figure out how to
get this thing to show that it's in a locked position before he before he lands the crew you could hear telling
him like we're running low on gas we're loing long gas they're kind of just hinting at it until the engines flamed
out and they just [ __ ] plummeted to Earth and it was like everybody knew except the captain running out the most
basic essential yeah so wild and like why
didn't like I don't know did you also hear about in my research of plane crashes which of which I've done a ton
how like there were a lot of plane crashes like in South Korea because the pilots were too polite yeah yeah you
that yeah so that is part of um again there's so many different things came together so the other part of it yeah to
your your example there that is part of the reason why English became the primary language because Okay so so like
in farsy for example like there's ways of making language differential in like
super flowery but like when you talk to your parents or you talk to someone like a higher Social Status or whatever the
[ __ ] that means like you're supposed to be like like you don't just say like hey how you doing you're
like the honor is all mine for being in your presence you you mean like it's just like it's just over the top [ __ ]
like super Regal language and because of that you can't there's no actual words
for urgency because urgency isn't proper you know and so right Korean or I for it
was Korean or Japanese whichever one their language is like that it's like farsy where it's just like they were so
flowery and it was like Hey we're about to fly into a mountain and like your most excellent Regal Majesty Sir with
all due respect all a sudden you're [ __ ] dead like yeah exactly that's part of the reason why English became
the standardized langage because English doesn't have that so yeah totally makes sense
but now there is a thing called crew Resource Management which is basically a management style saying that anybody
inside the cockpit has equal power to challenge anybody else's opinions and
the captain should listen look it doesn't make any difference because like these are humans and human institutions
and people are just going to do what the [ __ ] they're going to do right so like yes you should like after this came out
after crew Resource Management as a concept came out and became part of pilot training there's like another 300
plane crashes that happened because people didn't say anything so like you're right it didn't it didn't fix it
forever yeah you're not going to fix humans like until the drones take over like this is going to keep
happening so overall so the Spanish government took charge the investigation
[ __ ] and PanAm sent people over there there's a number of findings um in addition to ones I just listed out but
overall they blame captain manzon and km for the crash saying he took off without emergency proper clearance there's other
things that came out around this which was the standardization of other forms of language so for example you can never
use like now you can never use like colloquialisms like okay or Roger like
like it has to be very very by the books and in the end [ __ ] paid out what was
then 110 million what is today $553 million to the families of the victims
which really interesting you should totally do this because I know this is like your up your alley there's a
podcast um so the New York Times is a podcast called The Daily and on September 5th
they this is terrible they release an episode uh in the title of the episode
is pasture PLS nearly Collide far more than you know did you hear this I know I
think I feel like I've I've read the I've read the there's an article about it that was in like the times or something but yes because it like and on
the ground right on the ground and in the air so what they were what they said
was was that based on some data that they collected for several teams uh for
example they found that there was about one per day at minimum one per day of
what's called a close contact or the fa refers to a skin-to-skin contact which is airplanes basically touching skins
which is really really bad and that was not including the uh database controlled
in documented by NASA which includes 300 uh close calls so far this year and this
was done in September so 300 in nine months basically long story short was
that in the 1980s the air traffic controllers went on strike and air traffic controllers
are federal employees and during this time Reagan was President was in Legally
it was it was considered illegal for them to not work and So Reagan fired
them all and hired new ones so what ended up happening was
was because everybody got hired at the same time everyone's now retiring at the
same time right and so there's a wave of mass retirements for air traffic
controllers and then when the FAA started ramping up hiring of air traffic
controllers they faced the next issue which was Co hitting so basically what
ended up happening was that there wasn't enough people who were qualified enough to train and also and the booths of air
traffic control and so now you have lesser trained less qualified people in
air traffic control as well as not having as many as you need anyways so right now there's about 10% less air
traffic controllers and less trained air traffic controllers that you would actually want in in in operation only
three airports out of 313 in the United States are currently fully staffed
and basically like doing what is expected of their job um so so you're
saying it's it's Ronald it's Ronald Reagan's fa fault basically all Bo on Ronald Reagan what's really interesting
was they said they said something on this um episode they were like it's funny because we usually do these
episodes when something bad happens but you're telling us like now we know something bad is going to happen they
called the FAA the tombstone agency because they're like they only take action after there's been a bunch of
deaths which is like kind of what they're seeing right now anyways it's terrifying
cool see in New York North Carolina you know I used I used to be
super scared on planes now I'm like just regular scared on but like I feel like also H I don't [ __ ] care you know I'm
gonna I'd rather go to Jay's wedding than not the other it's fine the other
fun thing they mentioned was that because of covid all these Airlines who are carrying these inflated air um
Captain salaries decided to Furlow a shitload of them and when came back and
a air Air transport came back those guys all decided to retire so so what they
did was they were just like hiring these like 25y olds who were doing like Regional flights to like manage these
giant airplanes and so now you have inexperienced air traffic controllers too few of them and also inexperienced
Pilots so that swiss cheese model is kind of coming to kind of a chaotic uh in conclusion
here honestly it's a miracle that we don't have that we don't have one every day
you know what I mean like yeah it's they're doing pretty great all things considered yeah I agree did you hear
about that guy who was on shrooms who tried to down a plane the other day
no there was a pilot who last podcast talked about it in their like um Side
Stories but this dude was like off off duty on a plane but he had done shrooms
like 3 days before and it was messing with him and he thought he was in a dream so he tried to like pull a lover that would like turn off the gas to the
engine and then ended having to like tie him down and he's like ever it was fine but he is charged with like 180 counts
of attempted murder or something like his life is [ __ ] over because he's on shrooms I don't know I don't he wasn't
working but they shouldn't let him in yeah yeah that seems like a weird waste of
shrooms um so anyways that's my story tenor Reef the worst airplane accident
in history 2747s the worst case I mean the only thing that could be wor that now would be like in two a380s doing
that yeah that is terrible but anyways
there there we have it uh Happy Thanksgiving everyone remember remember
um thank your pilgrims thank the corn um yeah that's almost exactly what you
should do I um you know if you want to you know talk about go go see Napoleon
if you um are in a fight with someone in your family you can just leave and go to to the movies it's a good day to go to
the movies help your mom if she needs help in the kitchen and have a good time
also just don't talk politics like it's so easy it's so easy like when we're I I don't know like when we were kids like
talking about politics wasn't normal and so if you have a crazy uncle or a crazy
in-law just just like don't talk about it like it's so easy I know I feel like
I guys get a little worried that they might like one off something like trans people aren't real you know and you'd be
like oh my God just fast stuffing you know but um if everybody agrees to it
fine or everybody has to agree it or if you hear that all you do is say pass the
stuffing that's it does anyone have any shrooms you are not going to change your family members you're not going to
change everybody's mind they're not going to change your mind just keep peace and move on with your lives it's
true so nice to your mom cool that is it thank you Faris I love that story
because it's absolutely bananas and scary and so many little things happened and it's just a whole a whole thing oh
there is several episodes um uh seconds to disaster and Mayday both have they're
both free to watch on YouTube and they do really cool reconstructions of what this looked like when it happened and so
YouTube at ten Reef just do tenor Reef plane and it is the number one thing that's going to pop
up and with hope you're okay after you do that I wonder what mind or mid journey is going to come up with for
this one I'm scared I'm going to ask it but I'm nervous or maybe it'll say no I
hope it says no but we'll see we'll see um but yeah thanks Taylor um thanks so
much fars remember everyone Doom at Doom toil pod write to us at Doom toil pot or
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