Have you heard of one of Germany's most popular authors, Karl May? Born in the 1800s, post a life of petty-crime, Karl took his imagination WAY west and wrote several books about a traveling duo - Apache chief Winnetou and German settler Old Shatterhand. Even though none of it was true, that didn't stop Karl from dressing the part and saying it was true. These books are deep in the German zeitgeist - Einstein read them... Hitler read them (of course). Taylor, who lives in and is from the American West saw her first Wild West show IN Germany in 2000. They are still wildly popular today. Learn more about this unexpected clash of cultures this week on Doomed to Fail!
Have you heard of one of Germany's most popular authors, Karl May? Born in the 1800s, post a life of petty-crime, Karl took his imagination WAY west and wrote several books about a traveling duo - Apache chief Winnetou and German settler Old Shatterhand. Even though none of it was true, that didn't stop Karl from dressing the part and saying it was true.
These books are deep in the German zeitgeist - Einstein read them... Hitler read them (of course). Taylor, who lives in and is from the American West saw her first Wild West show IN Germany in 2000. They are still wildly popular today.
Learn more about this unexpected clash of cultures this week on Doomed to Fail!
https://www.harvardmagazine.com/2020/02/vita-karl-may
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2012/04/09/wild-west-germany
https://allthatsinteresting.com/karl-may
Native American Association of Germany
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of fixing it it's going to freeze again and again from now until February but then John and sorer are coming to stay
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mean they're staying here so like I'm allowed to be a little bit sloppy no no no I mean not with being sloppy I mean
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fars let go let me take let me take a sip of my coffee take a sip of your coffee are we gonna do our guessing game
today you're never gonna guess okay all right well then me WP it I'd be shocked
if you knew this this do you know the most popular one of the most popular authors in
Germany can you name your top five German authors I can't even name an American
Author I know that's why that's why I figured there's absolutely no way that you're be able to guess this I I like
how well you know me that you know that anything literacy related it's like don't even bother asking you I think
most people in America don't know this so um yeah so I
am I relistened to our Lewis and Clark episode and I said Indian a lot and then
I feel bad about it because I've been reading things that like it's okay to say Native American Indian and American Indian to like because that's how
people's like grandfathers identified after all these things so I said it very confidently and casually but I hope I
didn't offend anyone and I apologize if I did I felt weird about it after we will make amends by self flatulating
ourselves yeah I said well I'm sorry and I and Dan Carlin he likes to say first he likes how Canada says First Nations
it's like you know a whole thing but it's not my decision to to make to do it so I hope I didn't I hope I didn't make
anybody upset because that definitely was not my intention but for the most part when I can I want to use like the actual names of the tribes of the people
because I do want to talk a lot more about the American West in the next couple weeks wait what does have to do with
German literacy or literature oh I know I know isn't that weird what would you
be like Taylor what are you talking about are you on drugs you just I was like did we take a segue okay I guess
we're not doing a segue um no so this actually is very very Rel
um wait hold on I just remembered I got to tell my husband to buy tequila I don't know you making Mars yeah I got
this like little Margarita kit it's not a kit it's like a jar with like juice in it and you just like put tequila in it and it's a margarita sweet okay um but
anyway for my most part I'm going to try to use tribal names of actual tribes of people in the American West Canadian
West South American tribes when I can
and I am thinking about the American West because I was thinking about the idea of
the American West I did the Louis and Clark there's some other stories that I've been reading books about so thinking about it and like a little bit
about what we're thinking about um you know exploration and genocide and all the things that happened in the
Conquering of the American West so I'm going to tell you about someone who had
never been to the American West but is a big contributor to the idea and the
stereotypes of the American West so have you ever been to a western show like a
quote Cowboys and Indian show I've seen movies yeah so like a
live show if you go to one it's like horses and you know fighting and it's
like fun you know it's like fun for kids I then it's Civil War reenactments super
fun I love those like I like Medieval Times you know all those things are fun
um I went to a live Wild West show in Germany in the year in the year 2000 and
I was like this is fun kind of weird that like everybody's speaking German but okay cool and I went to it and it
was fun I didn't really think about it like how weird that was that happened in
Germany but going back and like learning I learned later about Germany's
obsession with the Native Americans and the American West and how it started
from an author named Carl Mai have you ever heard of him obviously you know the answer to that
let's not patronize each other Carl ma spelled maay pronounced ma is a German
author who really really popularized and still today Germans are obsessed with Native Americans so Carl May was born on
February 25th 1842 in the Kingdom of Saxony so Germany
as you remember of ours didn't unify until the 1870s of course we all know this it was like a a bunch of little
kingdoms and then it unified and he had he was one of 14 kids nine of those kids
died as babies they were poor it was like a tough ass life in the middle of Germany he was a bit of a miscreant
which I looked up I was like that that word came I felt like that was the right word but I looked it up and that is the
right word he was a miscreen he was a little a little like Petty Thief he was poor he was went to school for being a
teacher but he was expelled because he stole candles and he said that he was stealing candles cuz he wanted to give
his sister wax scraps for Christmas which is like very sad so sweet like
very poor but I think he was lying because he's a bit of a liar sh it he was accused of many Petty crimes he
spent four years in prison while he was in prison he became the admin to the prison Library which is important
because he read a ton so we have this like man in the middle of Germany in the 1800s just reading and thinking about
you know maybe maybe writing his own his own stuff then I I think a lot of it came from the stuff he read and like his
imagination was going wild so he went around Germany like committing fraud essentially he like pretended he was a
doctor pretended he was a lawyer and like all these things I ended up going back to jail for four more years and um
after that he went to he went back and lived with his parents so are you with
me so far I'm talking about okay so he came out of jail eight years out of
eight years out of jail in prison for eight years there 2 he goes back and lives with his parents but he has all
this experience of like reading and grifting and like telling these stories so he decides he's going to start
writing so he starts writing like pulpy stories that are like in magazines you
know like fun adventure stories where people like go to samatra go to the Americas do all these things but he
never actually goes there he just kind of like makes stuff up about the people that he meets there and people start to
like start to notice they start to like it so his when he was was 51 Carl um
published his most his first book with his most popular and famous character
which is this two group of two dudes there's a Native American and a German
and they're like best friends and they have all these adventures in the American West the Apache the the native character
is an Apache leader named winnow and his blood brother is the German named old
shatterhand which is who the German immigrant so this is the story he's writing he wrote 15 books about the two of them I
tried to listen to one because you know that I took like a thousand years of German and I'm very far
Duelo I I know that you know that totes is murder and yes so you are way more
knowledgeable than I am yes so I I the only thing I could find like audible to listen to about about Carmi was um one
of the winnow books so I listened to it and like I mean whatever I got like 10% of it but it was like you know it was a
reading but it was kind of a reenactment so you could like hear like the jingling of of bottles CU they were like at a
saloon you know like it was clear they were in the American West when but they were speaking in German you know and
then so like they were they were like meeting at a bar and then they were saying that there were like you know Indians in the area and they were like
you know some of them were captured and like it's an adventure story there adventure stories about you know Germans
settlers specifically going out into um into the American West and Carl M was
was able to like say this cuz he pretty much said that it was him that it was like a true story he was old shatter
hand and he was the person who did it um but it wasn't him he didn't actually do it he never he never went there
so he at this time he was writing like
he was starting to write some books about this and then it's the time of the Wild West show but like the real one but
not even real but like the fake one so do you know the most famous wild west reenactor of the 1800s
uh jono uh Buffalo Bill Cody okay youever
heard of him I I've heard of him so Buffalo Bill is like you know the guy that has his show he has like you know
people with guns and people with bows and arrows and like you know tells these like fantastic stories about being in
the wild west so Buffalo Bill actually had a show in Germany in um in the late
1800s and it's Carl Mai probably saw it or like heard of it and was like I got
to really like push the gas on this on this Native American storytelling
so he said like he started to really like lean into being like these stories
are true I am old shatterhand I am this person I did go to these places if you see pictures of him he wears like very
ridiculous like um what's it called like fringe jackets and feathers in his hair
like all not great stuff and he said that he spoke more than 1,200 languages
and dialects which is like if you're gonna lie that's too big of a lie you know it's pretty big lie
but also who's gonna correct you well here's the thing Buffalo Bill came with
actual Native Americans in his show and Carl Mai said that Buffalo Bill killed
all the Native Americans that he would have been able to to um to communicate with that's why he couldn't do
it yeah see exactly that's how you get past the lie you just create a bigger lie yeah exactly so he's just like
creating these lies um he said quote I really am old shatterhand and I've had the experience experienced the stories I
tell um which is like not true but that that was part of his like his like
Mystique so the books are also a little bit religious Carl ma was a Catholic
there's like Protestant themes all that kind of stuff is happening in the back of it winnow converts to Christianity
before he dies at the end of the books because of course you know so obviously like there's some a ton of racial
stereotypes and things in these stories but the people of Germany love them like
they love them they have sold more than they've sold yeah well listen to this they sold more than a 100 million copies
they've been popular forever some quotes from famous german-speaking people
Albert Einstein said quote my whole adolescence stood under his sign indeed
even today he has been dear to me in many a desperate hour so like Albert Einstein these books they're like
adventure books for boys Arnold schweger said that the books quote opened up my world and gave me a window to see
America even though it's like not true but people still like love the idea and then of course guess who else liked them
it off fitler yep 100% so Hitler loved them and he would talk about old
shatterhand and winnow as being like examples of Bravery which is weird
because they're interracial best buddies you know that's not something that Hitler loves
it's a sign of like inter how interpretive art is yeah you L just take
the parts of it that resonate with your mindset and just ignore the stuff that contradicts it yeah absolutely he loved
to like there's some stuff that are like is it's so bizarre obviously like
Hitler's just obviously but there's he would send the books to the Troops and
be like be more like the guys you know like when they messed up he would say you weren't organized enough you should be more like winw and shatterhand like
those are the things that he would like say to people but also he was like I really love how the United States you
know moved all of their native people into reservations and then he used that to like think about how he's moving
people to ghettos and he also really loved how Americans just killed everybody he really admired that I mean
that tracks with his history all of it tracks with with stuff that that that Hitler would like about these um there
were a lot of movies and live shows and there still are about these books and
these stories and you know of course like when movies first came out they would just use like a German painted
brown like it's not you know they're not like we like like like Hollywood is
every did that yeah yeah yeah um and Carl got super successful he bought a
villa he called it Villa shatter hand Germany he lived there until he died in 19 he died in like 1910 um when he was
older some people started to reprint his books and and he sued for defamation of character so this is a little bit like
um what Oscar wild did where he sued for um the defamation of character when
someone said something bad about him that was true you're like don't do that just walk away you know but people
started reprinting these books where he had like written like kind of like erotic weird novels before he became
this this Old West writer and then also they found out because of that that he
had actually never been there that he was not old chatter hand he did not do those things that was after he died no
this was like right before he died oh but he like shouldn't have stirred that pot you know yeah yeah should just been
like yeah yeah yeah I know it's fine um but he did travel a little he did go to
like the east of America he he went to some um places in like Asia but um but
you know when they found out that he had lied about you know most of the like most famous stories it was one of those
things where like Hitler's you know justification is like
well he's a great author because he made it up you know like that like mental gymnastics that you do when you're like
oh no well this means not that he was super brave but that means he's super creative I mean I would say that it
takes a lot more creativity to like make up something than it does to just tell
like writing an autobiography is is so much easier than creating Lord of the
Rings like Lord of the Rings so I I I'm gonna say this and record myself
saying it I do agree with Hitler on this point that reminds me um not unrelated
but Stephen King has like a dude who like follows him around with like a binder to like remind him about things
you know he's like this is in this town and this is in this and like you know you wrote this here and like these things cuz like the fiction can be
endless d That's thing that always blew my mind with that stuff is like how on Earth do
you keep it straight in your own head like I don't get yeah I mean like I I I kind of classify like Game of Thrones
Lord of the Rings and Harry Potter all together as like these massive universes with like all these characters with Rel
relation how do you do that like it's so it's so wild to me totally somebody who doesn't even
read you hey you just named some books that's good they're also movies but you named them
to be fair I only knew them as movies just so we're
clear uh great um so yeah so I just want to I know this is super short but so
this is still wildly popular in Germany you know like in 2000 I went to a wild west show
there um there is a professor named harbut loots who is a German professor professor who quainted the term indian
enthusiasm that they have in Germany which is like people are obsessed with it there's like pictures of people in
East Germany like wearing black wigs and all of the Garb and all of these things
um he Professor Lux calls it a way of dealing with the guilt of the Holocaust especially like in East Germany where
everything was awful and in East Germany the government had to try to make it more socialist obviously because it was
like had a little bit of like religious undertones they to changed it a little bit and somehow in the 1920s it didn't
collide with anti-Semitism even though you're like FTI F fetishizing and other
it didn't it's people were still like they were able to like do both and one of the things that they did is this
there's this like search and we've talked about this before like this search for like a perfect past and like a tribal lore and like a time when
things are perfect like is it like when is it Rome is it you know the cathine
the great in Russia like Putin thinks that cathine the great is like the you know that was the perfect past so like
thinking things like that also thinking about people living off the land and
natives loving the people who colonized them so a lot of it during the 20s and 30s is because Germany thought that they
were going to go and colonize the world like that was the plan you know yeah so
they had bit this this fit into that idea because they were like when we get
there we'll be like hey we know a lot about you or it'll be like hey like we
know stories of people who were colonized who love their colonizers so like we're here for all of that you know
like just so like they can like prepare and like get ready for it so that was something that they were trying to think about um and at the time obviously there
were no Native Americans in Germany like they didn't know any act real people um today there are mostly because of the
military so there's a bunch of military bases in Germany and that's where you know most of the um Native Americans who
live there are because they like have lived on base and have like gone to like you know serve America in Germany um
and um there's a a Native American Association of Germany they have like
like the actual real people have like their own things but there's still um a
ton a ton of like show on this so um
some of the museums are have like human remains and that's a problem you know
like they can't have they have like scalps of people they don't know you know some who knows who they actually
belonged to but they need to like like figure out how they're going to actually respect those those um those remains I
went to um the natural history mumum in New York this summer and I think it was
like an exhibit on the South Pacific tribes but they had like a
section that said don't take pictures of these things they've been like blessed by Shaman there's like magic in them is
that exciting it's fun yeah um but they're trying to like figure that out in Germany cuz like the people who are
running these museums are like wearing cowboy hats and like cowboy boots and like think that they're cowboys and
they're just still like super super super super into it um there is an annual Carl my Festival in bad seaburg
three which is a town in Germany 300,000 people go every year um it has 4.8 stars
on Google almost 13,000 reviews and the reviews are great people [ __ ] love it
I um I I can see it's it's interesting because like living so growing up in
Texas where I mean Native American history and
culture was like drilled into us as kids like like I remember the first diaramas
we had to ever make and like yeah it was all like oh God like it wasn't even
teeps it was what were they called the mud Huts yeah it was it was wig boms and
stuff like that and and you learned all about like we we'd hone in on individual tribes like here's how this tribe
operate here's how that tribe and it's funny cuz I think it just beat the interest in the topic out of me like the
thought of like being like a 40-year-old man and be like let's go see a Cowboys
and Indian show where it's like I I don't want to go see Alex Hamilton like much less one of these and so it's just
I don't know it's a little endearing that they care they are so into it um I just don't totally get it yeah well it's
like a little bit of both so like as a Carl my Festival you can you know stay in a teepee you can eat a buffalo burger
you know you can like buy feathers um I read a a New Yorker article about it
called Wild West Germany and they said you know if not to have fun at the
festival would require a real dedication to joylessness like it's fun I'm sure
it's like it's like Grand faires right like I think yes I think they're dumb but like if you're there you're going to
enjoy it it's like okay so I I in October obviously I went to the October F Festival here outside of Austin and
maybe like 10% of the people there were actually of German descent like real German descent but it's just fun it's
just you you put on the stupid hat and then you just walk around eating eating BR wor it's just you know I get it I can
get it yeah yeah I feel like so here's the thing I feel like it's it's fun and
it's fun to like experience other cultures and see what other people do you know as long as it's like as you
know true as it can be to what people know and as long as you're like respecting people's especially like
their you know ceremonies and they're dead and like all those things you know so in cases like some cases that's not
happening some cases it is it does sound like you know a lot of people have like dedicated their life to it I I couldn't
find this again in um in like my Googling this morning but there are places where like some of the Plains
Indian art forms are only revived in Germany you know like there's people who
go to Germany to like Navajo go to Germany to learn how to do like a Navajo Stitch like that they didn't know how to
do there's some languages that are only alive in Germany because yeah the white
people killed all of the Native Americans here you know and they but it's still over there which is like
interesting so it's like a it's a little bit of a it's a border between fet fasciation can't say that which is Terri
which is bad you know culture not a costume we know those things but but also it's interesting that like Germans
of all people who are very like especially during obviously World War II when they're very like you know be this
certain way are going to also have this Affinity towards another and like what was that for what was it prepped
for they are a relatively Stern people so I think having another culture where
they can let their hair down um and not be so regimented might have some appeal to it that's interesting I think that
that might be that might be true too I listen to this um this comedian d up recently and he goes you know all all of
yall are talking about and worried about um Iran and North Korea and nobody's talking about Germany like they started
W World War and then 20 years later they were like [ __ ] it let's do it again and we're just sitting here chill like we
don't really care I know well I and while while I was do I was thinking how you were like
where did um like where were Michael Schumacher's parents during 1940s you know yeah yeah yeah nobody nobody talks
about it um so yeah yeah yeah and I love Germany I love the I love the Germans
and I just think it's so interesting that like oh also another another part of it I feel like maybe I didn't hit this is
like it was so other it wasn't like it was it was like in America they these
books didn't really take off because we could go there you know like we actually
like saw the people and like one of the things I read was like you know in America a similar cultural thing could
have happened about a book about like aliens you know or like no Robinson cruso like Polynesian yeah plac are far
far and it was like the fact that we were like far away and also just like the idea that like Hitler and other
Germans were like getting ready to colonize the world yeah you know
longterm plan that's kind of the thing with me in this topic is like again like growing up in Dallas driving up from
Dallas to New Mexico to Nevada through Colorado like I
am it is just every it's weird it's like how is this not like so obviously around
everyone but it's like oh yeah I I've grown up in the in the south of America which is like where predominantly these
cultures took hold and and the civilizations took hold and so for me I'm like I don't know it seems
very there yeah I'd love to I'd love to hear if anyone listening has experience or ideas
or like you know how you know as a native person like how what it's like right now in America cuz like it's not
just the South it's everywhere you know obviously there's tons of tribes in Canada and that's a huge problem you
know and like the the Northwest you know has a ton of
stuff as well and like but like where we see it more in some places I don't know
well I think wish knew more that was true I think it's more prevalent here
because when America was first colonized it went from east coast to West Coast and so I think probably by time they got
to like this part of the country it was like oh like maybe just shooting
everybody in the head isn't the right way to deal with this and so there's like a little bit more effort in preservation but yeah I don't know I
don't know I've read a couple books about like you know how um about just
like life as as a native person in America and how like you know we use
their tribal names and like there's something about like how terribly terribly we treated the Miami Tribe and
how we just like obliterated them and then um we you know obviously have like Miami as a big city and someone in my
life was like maybe they named it Miami to honor the natives and I was like they did not wait is that is that why it's
called Miami because of a tribe yeah so do that so many of these like towns and like you know most of the words that we
know for like Midwestern and those towns are all just like native tribe names so I don't know there's so much and and I
want to I want to learn about it while whilst respecting it but I also remember how much how much I loved it I'm also
reading Island of the Blue Dolphins to the kids so that's like a whole thing a whole emotional thing wait what's Blue
Dolphin Island of the Blue Dolphins is about the it's like a fictional story
but based on this woman who was found in like I think in the Pacific Northwest she had lived by herself on an island
for like 30 years like she was alone and she spoke a language that no one understood so no one could really figure
out what had happened to her but El of the Blue Dolphin is about like a teenage girl who gets left on Island by herself
wild it's really good it's a very it's a very Coming of Age book for young ladies of the
80s it sounds like it would be fun well it sounds like it would be fun as me
right now probably not if I was 12 years old hey I was wondering how many languages go extinct in a year oh good
question how many languages go extinct nine languages Seas to be spoken every
year or one every 40 days what that's bananas
yeah it's crazy that's crazy um sweet well thanks for sharing
Taylor it kind of reminded me of the Jack uner remember you remember that guy yeah because he was a German author and
he came to the US when he came to the US like dressed like a like a like a cowboy
like all the pictures of him in the US he had like tassels and [ __ ] because like I bet I bet like this guy influenced him oh I'm sure this guy
influenced him yes absolutely absolutely that is funny you have like also the idea of like a European Coming to
America and being like I'm going to put on my boots it's so weird I love it though it's it's funny it's fun yeah I
want to learn more I want to learn everything so tell me more things America and Canada and other people in
the world everyone all of you just tell us things um sweet is there anything you
want to wrap with yes I have one quick thing oh two I don't know I watched Society of the snow was great oh oh my
godes awesome the last 10 minutes I cried uncontrollably but it was really
good so it's so much better than a live I can't I don't know if I ever watch it live again I know I did when I was
little but I feel like not not gonna try yeah yeah um I speaking of movies I just
watched salurn and I'm going to be a contrarian I thought it absolutely sucked I thought it was really stupid it
made no sense and was pointless and a wasted two hours believe you would watch salurn you of all people who what does
that mean you literally just said said like a couple weeks ago that you wouldn't have you don't watch movies that are like Oscar worthy like the big
thing movies cuz you know you're not going to like them so why would you watch that well it was on Amazon Prime
and I was like oh okay I hear that about this movie quite a bit and I was like sure let's put it on because going to a
movie theater to watch one of those movies is just like my eyes would start bleeding but at home it's like okay I
can pause take a walk go outside play with Luna for a minute you know what mean I can take bre or like okay let's
get get back into this um I just I just Wikipedia it a couple weeks ago and read like the three paragraph some it's so
stupid Taylor I don't want to see this I'm gonna be exhausted I don't want to I do I love murder on the dance floor that
Sophia Alis backs her song but that's that's it that's all I know I think that
everyone is pretending they're smart that's what I think is actually happening I think everybody I think that
basically like the film industry and the Academy Award industry just shoves all this marketing out there saying this is
the best film ever says this person says that person and what by the time it trickles down to like commenters like
us it's like we've all been inundated with this kind of feedback loop and so when you go out to dinner or drinks with
a friend like oh my God saltor was magical you're like yeah yeah it was
magic you know we don't believe I think you're 100% right I think you're right I think
I think a lot of popular culture is people pretending to be cool yeah totally totally see with Oppenheimer I
was like this movie sucked like it was it was about the coolest thing in the world which is this [ __ ] creation
creating a mass City and a community to build this horrible weapon that did horrible things but still it's like it's an incredible story we just focus on
this angle of like let's just film selan Murphy's [ __ ] eyes go wide yeah for like two and a half hours like what
anyways interesting I I mean yeah I think that that then then what is storytelling it's cool
interesting questions should we have another podcast where we just review movies I would love to I used to do so
like 15 years ago we had this like pop culture website um that was we would
like write things in it whatever and I would do movie reviews of movies that I haven't seen and it was really I thought
it was really funny it was just like based on like the trailer or like a poster and I would review it it it would
only be fun though Taylor to the listener if we disagreed so we have to watch movies that we know are going to be contentious I'll think about it I
don't know what they could be we could watch music go that'll never happen all right yeah
you're better off Seven Brothers you're better off asking you to read um have a book club we can have one episode a
year like taking me right back to college I got all the cliff notes I
remember every now and then I would like I would read one page and be like teacher I want to talk about this part of the book like okay and then and then
do you remember when earlier it said this thing it's was like uh and I just like start vamping making [ __ ] up and it was like obvious that I didn't read it
um yeah that's I don't know a lot of everything is people pretending to be smarter than they are but what are you
gonna do pretend to be dumb I don't have time for that doing a pretty good job myself um confidence um cool that's all
I got thank you thank you everyone for listening I hope that um you found this interesting I think it's it's a weird
thing that I didn't know was a thing until I knew it was a thing so hopefully learn something new and let me know if you do there are like there
are casinos and things in in around me that are like native owned and they have
like big powow like can I go to them I feel like I want to yeah I just really I just want to like I think it'd be really
fun I want to do it right and I want to like you know learn real things cuz it's
cool as [ __ ] and they you know there's like I always say there's stories of people from forever ago that I just will
never know and it drives me out of my mind Taylor if you just drove from where I'm at to you are or vice versa you
would run across about 7,000 like reservations with casinos on them that would love to take your money and have
you join a pat wow that's true that's fair they would love my money they would love it come on inj your stuff that
sounds so fun let's do it someday I'll report back I'm down um sweet uh again
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