Oh, Texas! Always in a tizzy aren't y'all? Today we start off with the question what do John Wayne, Lyndon Johnson, and Phil Collins all have in common? You guessed it! they are obsessed with The Alamo. We'll discuss the truths (Yes, they all fought to the death) and the myths (no, they weren't 'heroes' - specifically because they were all fighting for their rights to enslave people). We'll talk about what happened in the brutal hour-long battle in 1836 and then the battle to memorialize the land and the story that has raged since then. As of this story "Phil Collin's museum of questionable Alamo stuff" is still pending in San Antonio. Want to hear our John Wayne impression? It's just "Howdy, Señorita" - pls read that in a John Wayne voice.
Oh, Texas! Always in a tizzy aren't y'all? Today we start off with the question what do John Wayne, Lyndon Johnson, and Phil Collins all have in common? You guessed it! they are obsessed with The Alamo. We'll discuss the truths (Yes, they all fought to the death) and the myths (no, they weren't 'heroes' - specifically because they were all fighting for their rights to enslave people). We'll talk about what happened in the brutal hour-long battle in 1836 and then the battle to memorialize the land and the story that has raged since then.
As of this story "Phil Collin's museum of questionable Alamo stuff" is still pending in San Antonio.
Want to hear our John Wayne impression? It's just "Howdy, Señorita" - pls read that in a John Wayne voice.
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https://www.amazon.com/Forget-Alamo-Rise-Fall-American/dp/198488011X/
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when I was in high school I hope it's not offensive to anyone I know I have to like cover my tet shoes in some places
um my cousin Lindsay who we know and love um knows more about Japan than um
anyone I know she has her PhD in Japanese literature she teaches at Japan house at uh University of Illinois she's
the smartest person I know and uh so her and Juan spent two hours on Zoom together on Sunday just like talking
about all the things that we should do and she gave us L of advice and it was very exciting why would doc Marts be
offensive I don't know I feel like if tattoos are offensive or they're gonna think I'm in the Yakuza oh my God cut
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just stopped doing the intro at this point um we're the fail I'm far as joined here by Taylor we discussed
Stephen glass earlier this week we are on to a new topic that's going to be run by Taylor and Taylor and I have a shared
Google drive but we make it a point not to check what each other's up to in there Taylor deliberately yeah
deliberately asked me this week not to look and I think it was mostly because of the fact that I was um we took a
little break between recording this time as opposed to usual and so she thought I'd go and peek which I saw your message
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situation or no yeah yeah yeah absolutely pars I'm going to name three
people and I want you to tell me what they have in common I love this game let's do it ready John Wayne Lyndon
Johnson and Phil Collins very tall I think Phil is like
53 I would then I have no IDE men of the 1950s and
60s no B Collins is like not that old he's pretty old is he he's gota be like
in his 70s right he's 56 I was not wrong he's 73 but John ween is like 105 he's dead true he is
Deads um I wrote correct in a funny way if you're G to get it or not um but
they're all obsessed with they're all obsessed with one thing that is famous
in your home state of Texas and it is the Alamo oh yeah um and I was looking
researching this already and then now Texas is like losing its mind have you
seen what's going on in Texas cuz you're there there's something there's something going on with border patrol
Jesus Christ so like the federal government said that they cannot throw babies into the river full of razor wire
and Texas says no they want to do that I feel like there's a lot more Nuance to that hopefully it's not just that but
lots of going on I saw some like really fun um memes about it and I don't know
if this is true but I've seen it in a bunch where someone posted like if we secede from America do we still get
Social Security checks like no sweetie you don't that's not that's not how that works only the
one thing that stops happening I mean I think the idea of having to get a Texas
passport and have organized everyone in Texas would be enough to stop that from happening but Texas does have the
distinction of being the only state that was its own country right let's talk about it is that's what you're doing
you're you're covering Texas or the oh sweet W yeah awesome okay yeah yeah so I
I yeah like I been to the Alamo a million times it's a huge part of Texas
culture and high school they teach you a ton about it I mean in every part of education and Texas they teach you about
it um so but Ian I been gone back and Revisited like in a very long time so I'm excited um yeah and I
Whatchamacallit I was gonna say this later but I can say this now that in like 2018 they tried to get Texas to
stop calling the people of the Alamo heroic because heroic and implies that they were doing the right thing and like
someone known to the Texas Board of Education with that and the Texas Board of Education said no we have to keep teaching them as heroic yeah but I mean
I have a barding knowledge of what happened I mean they were standing up to sand jento in his military um santiana
damn it and and you know why because he wanted them to come back to
Mexico he wanted he wanted Texas to come back to Mexico Texas was a part of Mexico [ __ ] okay I'm going to take I'm
going to take back tell you just tell me I'm going to take back everything I said I knew about it it was a long time ago
people I'm nearly 40 years old I wasn't in high school like 30 years okay so yes it is the Alamo like I
said I've been thinking about the American West and we've been talking about it and I remember that I read a book called forget the Alamo that our
friend Beth told me about and I thought oh I'll read that again like while I was like in my break and like painting I was
like oh that was fun to read I'll read it again so I went to I have this app called ever and it's like um $10 a month
and you can get like most books on it like pretty immediately you don't have to wait so I was like oh I'll find it there so I started reading this book
called forget the Alamo and it was like a dude in the in the military in the
Middle East and he was like driving a um I don't know whatever like a Humvee and
then they got into an accident and like a i i nope not
IUD uh yeah is it IUD improvised I I IED yeah yeah right IED
is birth control anyway and then he like went into a coma and then woke up and he was at the Alamo and I was like I am reading the wrong book because that is
not the book that I meant to read so I stopped reading that book so I was like this is silly what am I reading and I
went back and read the actual book that I wanted to read um called forget the Almo and I'll put it in um in there the
notes and everything but fars as a student of Texas have you been to the bulock museum in
Austin so I have been there because the bulock museum in Austin actually contains a one of those imax's the one
of one like one of the eight imax's that does the 80 millimeter or whatever it is
you know what I'm talking about it's like it's like it's like the best version of an IMAX and only very few
theaters in the US have it but I went there for that I did not go there to actually see the museum um well it
sounds cool they have a lot of like Texas history stuff there so next time I'm in Austin we should go but it has on
their website they have some really cool timelines of different pieces of Texas history so for example there's evidence
that like the first people were there in about 14,000 BC and then were like the
Clovis PE people in the Ice Age I think we've talked about them so there's evidence going very far back of humans
living there but but they do have a specific timeline just for the Texas part of History not like the land but
like Texas as a thing so it has a great timeline it ends with George Bush being president which is not complete
that's when end someone should update their website because like the rest of it seems pretty legit and then you're like stuff happened after that like
there's new Governors like at least Le Nam the new Governors but um so
basically 1492 Columbus gets to the Americas in
1519 Alonzo Alvarez de pan mapped out the Gulf of Mexico so this is the
Spanish kind of going into that like Gulf of Mexico Mexico Florida Louisiana
Texas place that we know now as the Gulf of Mexico um there's lots of Spanish exploration
obviously in 1598 kador Juan de onate
and hundreds of settlers finally reached the Rio Grand in April so it was Spanish territory for several hundred years and
like part of Spain okay um now it's the
1800s and between 1820 and 18 24 Mexico
wins its independence from Spain so now Mexico is its own country and um Texas is a Mexican
Province wait that's how recently Mex Spain owned wait did you say
1820 yeah that's I know not that long yeah
yeah it's like a little bit preil War but 1800s yeah so Texas was part of
Mexico and there's a dude named Moses Austin and he's a land guy in the East
he owns like a lead mine um they call him the king of lead which is not great because that makes you crazy but and you
can kill you it would have been cool if he was like an armed dealer though yeah
totally that's true that's cool um but Moses Austin gets a grant from Mexico to
bring 300 families over because Mexico is like yeah totally we want people here
hilarious border negations I'm missing something he wanted a grant to bring
them from where from the east east coast of America okay got it okay yeah I whoa
Zoom is really taking my hand gestures too seriously Moses there's lot there's
a lot of space in Texas obviously Texas is gigantic and it's very fertile and you can grow things there like cotton
and Mexico is like you know what we need more people here we need families to come in and use the land and invest in
our in our you know infrastructure so we want you to come Moses Austin dies um
before he gets there but his son stepen F Austin brings people over and he's probably the Austin that Austin's named
after probably um so Mexico wanted people to
settle they said come into our territory um with a $30 down payment you don't
have to pay taxes for the next 10 years like we just want you to come we want people from the us to come to Texas
which is part of Mexico to live so there is a so the Americans um coming over
wait so was Mexico was Texas as part of Mexico unsettled a lot of it was okay I mean
there were like Native Americans there but like it wasn't settled by Mexico particularly like that much so they were
like trying to get more people to come got it they were like we see opportunity here more people can come here we can fit more people you could fit more
people in Texas now you put the entire Us in Texas SL yeah if you were like
everyone these space yeah come to Texas plenty of space so um
Mexico invited all these people from the us to come they came started settling right away they kind of wanted to be
their own thing they didn't really want to be a part of Mexico or part of the us they called themselves texians which is
hard to say and weird but they call themselves texians but they they were officially Mexicans when they lived there um they also brought from the US
guess what they brought probably something yep they brought their enslaved people
there you go and Mexico um is an abolitionist country it always has been
when it started it became one um and they said no we do not want you to have enslaved people here in in Mexico and
the texians were like but then we wouldn't have any money you know just like Thomas Jefferson like yeah yeah
yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah but you don't understand if I didn't have have these people then like I wouldn't make as much
money as I'm making right now like do you real how much more money there is for me if I don't have to pay the
overhead of people working for me yeah so so they were that's that's what the
fight of Alamo is about it's about the Texas right to have enslaved people so um that's that's what it is about and um
similar to the second time that Texas was in a war in the 1800s was a civil war um it was all about keeping their
their enslave people I mean that is I will I will say that is less romantic than we are just a
steadfast people who want our autonomy yes I mean it's like you know
remember when like the other day people are like one of the presidential candidates was like oh yeah the Civil
War was about states rights you're like oh my God it's the state rights to there is a there is a unique desire
to deliberately misunderstand history yeah for reasons that I guess kind of
make sense depending on your demographic that you're catering to but isn't intellectually honest is he it's not
it's not honest like if you go to Germany they're very honest you know
they learn they talk about what happened there's still you know baddies over there but they talk about it they
definitely don't talk like you can't even you can't bring what you talking
about you can't bring like a thousand Holocaust museums in Germany No I know
but like you can't well be a Nazi but you can right talk about Nazis yeah I I
just have I I I've met been in Germany and I'm like these people are not nice people like they're not warm nice people
at all I thought they think they're super nice maybe it's just because
maybe okay fine the way you look is probably has a lot to do with
it there's people everywhere who aren't great but either way these wars are
about the right to keep people enslaved so that you can have more money eventually all right it's not money like
every war is out also so so Mexico starts to get nervous um they are now
encouraging people from like the country of Mexico as we know it now like the southern part to move into Texas so that
the texians aren't the only people there which is just so funny that that border is always been like a problem so now
they're trying to get people to like move and it's all Mexico still but the people in the Texas part of Mexico are getting like they're they're getting
riled up in 1830 Mexico totally bans US immigration so they say we don't want
anyone else from the us to come here because you know until we figure this out because they're figuring out the the
issue with the that is so ironic I know they encouraged immigration from Mexico
and other European countries um places that were had more restrictions on slavery um and they had an increased
military presence in the re in the region so they were trying they were like we see these people who live in
this Texas province of Mexico kind of getting out of control in 183 3 General
Antonio Lopez de Santa Ana becomes president of Mexico so he's the one that you're thinking about he's the big one
um there's a battle that he becomes president during that I'm not covering right now but um there's a
few um constitutions a couple of them were like we can give Texas a little bit
more freedom to like do their own thing they ended up in one where um they want to make sure that Texas is a part of
Mexico and adhering to Mexico's laws right yeah makes sense I wrote no MOS
Shenanigans which I'm sure is what they said in that [Laughter] meeting so on October 2nd 1835 the Texas
Revolution begins um guess what they so I WR down who said this because it's so
stupid but someone said come and take it and I'm sure you've seen that on like all the bumper stickers in Texas yeah it
was probably um stepen Stephen F Austin or I don't think it was Austin it was
someone else but something bu or Houston one of those guys near Houston anyway
but Ted Cruz feeded it the other day which you know made me laugh again Ted Cruz when
you're getting people in line to get their Texas passports you give us a call Ted Cruz you need FEMA but um so he's
literally on his way to Mexico in the middle of like is he's fleeing the country he'll be like can Texas be part
of Mexico again so much down here so funny um so someone responded to that
tweet we've done that twice already like we've um but on March 2nd 1836 Texas
declares as Independence um on March 6 so we're I'm going to tell you what
happen and then tell you what happened at bamo so on March 6 1836 The alamoo Falls we'll talk about that in a second
after that there's another battle of San jinto on August 21st 1836 where the
texians win and on September 1st 1836 Texas elects Sam Houston as its president
blah blah blah 10 years later they become part of the us um and then obviously they become part of the
Confederacy and then back to the US after that so right bumping around lots
of lots of bouncing around yeah but we're here to talk about the Alamo um I have been there as well I went to a
wedding that was like near the Elmo my husband actually went to like Elementary School and like part of Junior High in
San Antonio so um we have friends who are still there because his dad was in the military so they moved around a lot
so some of his friends who are there we still um we still talk to so we were there for a wedding like 15 years ago
but it was super fun um and right now like you think of it you think of like the mission part of it right yeah thing
you've seen um the pe's Great Adventure where he's
looking for the basement no I don't think I've seen that one what so pee's Great Adventure he like loses his bike
it's really good we actually watched it recently after Peewee or um oh God what's his name I just had it
after Rudy no damn it I could look it up but after he
passed away Paul Rubin yeah it was close Paul ruin yeah after he passed away we did watch it again it's great but they
tell he like thinks that his bike is at the basement of the Almo and he gets there and there's like there's no basement everybody's laughing at him and it's like a whole thing there is another
story similar where um JFK was doing a speech there during the campaign in 1960
and he was trying to leave but there were so many people there and he asked one of the women who worked there he
said is there a back door and she said Senator there are no back doors of the Alamo only
Heroes because everyone died yeah also there is a back door like he could have she was dramatic
so here's a little bit of history of the of the Alamo it's not just that building
that's like the museum that you like see right now it's actually like a big complex um in it was called the Mission
San Antonio de Valero and then they called it the the Alamo um it was three acres of land um about
1300 Square fet um there was a Plaza in the middle the chapel was on one side and there was a Barracks building with a
bunch of rooms and they all had one door that went out to the middle so it's kind of like a fortified it was kind yeah
exactly the walls um surrounding it were you know almost 3et thick and ranged
from 9 to 12T high so they were pretty well in their in their um in the walls
um there were no holes to shoot out of just as an aside so there's no way to like shoot unless you were like standing over the
wall um and then it's 1836 and this cast of characters kind of starts to get to
the Alamo it's kind of a Way Station between different battles some of the people who are involved will talk about
them kind of one by one so first talk about Travis Travis is a
piece of [ __ ] work William B Travis was a lieutenant colonal in the Texas
army during the Texas Revolution he had no reason to be that he had no like history of being a military person he
just like got there and was like loud um he wrote a letter while he was there
that was like to the people of Texas and all Americans in the world um about how he
like needed freedom and like needed help and all these things like that also has made him very very famous because people
like think of that as like bravery um when I am listening to like a book like
this I have my I usually have my like Notes app open and I'll put things in there that I want to remember you know
yeah the first note I took was don't forget that Travis had
syphilis I just wonder how much history be different if people weren't riddled with syphilis yeah why I would assume
didn't this come up with Bango too where like Bango real yeah all the time time in these
history stories they're like and by the way isless and then they took a bunch of mercury and made a bunch of decisions
that changed history and you're like yeah like what would history look
like without Mercury syphus and lead I know for real for real um so syphilis
[ __ ] with your mind so he's just like kind of a Maniac some of his highlights are um when he became a teacher when he
was younger and immediately slept with a student they did get married but they had a kid before they got married he
created a newspaper but it immediately went under because he didn't take care of it like the ads were upside down and
like things were spelled wrong it just like really shitty and he tried to be a lawyer but he was laughed out of court people were like no like you're just
you're I mean I I I can actually resonate with with that sentiment I understand so he decided to
go to Texas for the opportunity you know um Wikipedia I'm just going to quote
Wikipedia on this because it's really funny they said um so he decides to go to Texas for the opportunity and Wikipedia said quote his wife trusted
him to eventually return or send for her and his children he did
neither but he goes to Texas and starts like getting riled up and he joins the the Texas army um and so he becomes you
know this military guy and he happens to be at the Alamo um the other guy who is there is James buoy like the knife yeah
he was a Frontiersman fun job um he also
this is the only thing I wrote down you do you know um in the 1970s do you know
the story that um there was a a man named daav Jones who wanted to be a singer have you heard this no you know
who daav Jones is like the yeah daav Jones Locker uh yes there's daav Jones like the pirate but there's also a singer
named Dave Jones from the monkeys oh that band I know the monkeys yeah so the lead singer is Davey Jones and there was
another dude who was like I really want to be a famous singer but my name is Dave Jones 2o what do I do and he was
watching um like one of these western movies about Jim buoy and he was like
that's sounds pretty cool so he changed his name to David Bowie seriously isn't that fun yeah and I totally thought that
was a coincidence no he changed his name just because he watched a movie about about the Alamo and he was like that
seems cool and I'm definitely gonna say Bowie instead of buoy this entire time from now on but hard isn't that yeah
yeah so um so James Bowie is there he probably doesn't like deserve the the um
myth around like the knife you know people he started to see it and he started like mass-produce it you know and then like sell it and and all of
that but he's part of the army and he's there um and then there's the King of the Wild Frontier who's
that it's the guy who wears the armadillo hat the raccoon hat God you
know what's funny I was thinking this whole time that our listener my friend Daniel he is going to listen to this and
then texting me like you paid attention to absolutely nothing in school well
maybe maybe not because I feel like the way Texas teaches it is not the way I'm telling it right now you know I me I'm
taking my bias and being very you know oh yeah could you imagine having an armadillo hat you know yeah that's just
stupid like why why would I everum like I be good to wear like a horse because
it's like a helmet yeah wouldn't you just get leprosy like all over your head like it would be a horrible idea to wear
the skin of radillo so do does that no you're right they do carry
leprosy nobody even in this story now that you said I was like oh yeah it was obviously a raccoon so like I just I
just sorry Dan um well Dave Crockett is more folkore
than real man he was name was David Crockett he didn't really love the name Davey Crockett um he was a US
Congressman did you know that and he he um voted against some things he didn't
like um he didn't like that West Point was just for Sons of the wealthy of the wealthy and he didn't love Andrew
Jackson's horrible [ __ ] that he did to everyone which is like Fair um but
eventually he did leave and he said something um very famous I don't know if this is 100% true but I did hear one of
the January 6th wives say this after she um after her husband was sent to prison
but he David Crockett uh allegedly famously said I told the people of my
district that I would serve them as Faith Faithfully as I had done but if not they might go to hell and I would go
to Texas so like you all can go to hell I'm G to go to Texas was was the wife of
Representative or something no she didn't say that part she said you all can go to H I'm gonna go back to Texas got it got
it so um so that's who that that those are the three famous guys that are there
and they're there with also to some other um military people they have some food they have some um there's some
women and children who were there at the same time but their job is to defend this fort from the Mexicans who are like
camping around them and coming to you know obviously like fight in this war um the texians think the war is slowing
down they have the Alamo it has weapons and a strategy in place Sam Houston
sends uh Jim buy there Travis joins him and they share command so on February
23rd Santa Anna's men start a Siege so they surround the Alamo and they can't
get they can't get out they inside they're like kind of cleaning up making sure they have all the food that they
have trying to get water they dig a well but it weakens a wall they're kind of like bumbling around um and the next day
like second day of The Siege um buoy gets really sick and he is
bedridden for the rest of the time and so Travis is now in command um at some point Travis may or may not but probably
not drew the Line in the Sand do you remember that I remember this yeah tell me tell me about this this was
when they realized so I remember it as being later on like in The Siege where
it was mostly self-evident that everybody was going to die like a horrible death and he drew a line of the
sand saying that you know it wasn't about surrender it was something about
like you can escape I don't know how they would have escaped exactly that was the option I think that was posed to them was you're either with me you're
going to stay here we're going to die together or you can escape yeah I don't think he actually did that I watched a
video from the Almo like Museum website and it was it was cute it was like a guy
being like this is where we they have this like brass line on the ground and they're like this is where Travis Dre is lying they're like she they're like he
probably didn't but like you like to think he did and you're like okay it's better you can have that that's fun um
it's also when he writes his letter his to the people of Texas and all Americans in the world he says part of it it says
quot I am determined to sustain myself as long as possible and die like a soldier who will never forget what is
due to his own hour and own honor and that of his country Victory or death
like Al also he had no choice like he was gonna die yeah I mean at that point
at that point like go out cool yeah um historian Mary Deborah petite called the
letter said the letter is considered by many as one of the masterpieces of American patriotism because he's really
just like I'm going to die here I mean abely were they shooting to be part of
America or independent no which is hilarious that like people point to it
as like a very American thing and you're like no no he was trying to be a texian and
have its own Texas things they didn't want the American roles either because America was also leading towards abolition you know yeah yeah
um it's like I saw another thing that someone on Instagram was like some one said like um you know Robert elely was a
great General and a great Patriot and someone was like no no I mean he was probably great
General but you can't be a great Patriot also see from the union 100% exactly
exactly so reinforcements arrive on March 4th um Buy's sister-in-law is said
to have gone to santaana and asked for um mercy and that kind of pissed him off
and that kind of made him like move forward with the with the siege so on MAR so the siege of the on March 6th the
Mexicans storm in over the wall at 5:30 in the morning which is not nice that's
Taylor we would we would have so slept through that well the first three people
to die were the guards outside the Alamo and guess how they died they were asleep
yeah they died in their sleep yeah that would have been us like what oh just stab me I'm already
I'm already down I'm already ground you'd be a fool to put me on like morning morning Duty you know that would
be on you because I would be terrible at it I mean they kind of picked our or
contemporaries it sounds like so those people died first um the non-combatants
there some women and children they moved to the chapel and the Mexicans came over
the wall in such a dense wave that it wasn't good for anyone so the Mexicans couldn't move back once they started
moving forward because there were so many of them like running into the Alamo and like trying to climb the walls like they could like their ladders didn't
really work so trying to climb the walls they were trying to jump over the gates trying to do all these things and they're coming so fast that the texians
inside can't even um hold their guns straight because they're coming so fast to them and good strategy yeah and so
like a lot of Mexicans died in this but like all of the texians died you know
but they were just like being over overrun um they did which is kind of fun the texians had cannons this is fun
relative but they filled them with things like nails and broken Horseshoes and stuff and like spray that into the
crowd of Mexicans and so like that stops some of them from coming toward them um Taylor that is fun that is so fun
unexpected you know like I just get hit by a horseshoe like what's what's happening I thought I was I thought I
was in a battle so weird did a horse just throw a shoe at me like that's funny um and then you're then you're
dead so that's funny um Travis is one of the first people to die um he was he was
shot like almost immediately um some texians may have surrendered but they were executed there was no like Mercy um
there were three attacks in 15 minutes uh each room had one door like again like into the interior and they had
tried to like dig holes and like have holes to be able to shoot out of them but the Mexicans would just knock the
door down and just shoot into the darkness you know and just like kill everybody who happened to be there
Crockett and his men were some of the last to die they um ran out of this is
very brave of to to say I mean I think like like we said I talk about it like heroic isn't the word because of what
they were defending technically but um they ran out of bullets and they used their rifles as clubs they fought they fought to the end
um uh buoy probably died in bed a lot of people don't want to believe that
because they want him to be this like strong Frontiers man but he was super super sick so one historian said the
best bet is that he died with his back against the wall like in the corner of
his bed trying to stab with his knife like a bayonet thing no like his buoy
knife oh like literally just stabbing oh wow okay yeah so um so all of those main
guys are are dead um the last thing that happens is someone tries to blow up the gunpowder when of the texian does does
so that the Mexicans can't have it so he tries to blow up the gunpowder if he had done it he would have killed all the
women and children but he didn't do it he got killed before he did that it's like that's for the best like we don't want the women and children to die um
one of the women who lived was a woman named Susanna Dickinson she sold her story and like would go on tour and talk
about it and get it it would get more and more Sensational for like the rest of her life one thing is she met with Santa Ana and Santa Ana offered to adopt
her daughter and educate her in Mexico City but Susanna said no and all of the women given you know later later the day
or their next day or whatever when they left were given a blanket and two pesos and told just to go
I thought they killed everyone but one woman no there were a couple other women
and I think an enslaved person was also let go and because they were like this is not your fault you you know so wait
how many people were how many people were there total and how many survived let me tell you first of all it was all over by 6:30 in the morning so
like 25 hours later no no an hour later
over an hour oh it was the same day oh oh Taylor we you know now that I think about it actually it would have been
fine we could have been the last ones there and we still would have been killed because we still wouldn't have woken up in time totally we wake up and
be like hey guys anyone make breakfast oh no this is really loud like I don't know what you guys are doing out there
but it's weird that I don't it's weird that I don't smell coffee you guys because it's like 63 get [ __ ] I thought
that there would be coffee brewing already is that not happening today do you are we not doing
that so that's your question good question
there were 2,000 Mexican soldiers involved in the assault um 400 to 600 of
them died so about 25% of them died um which is a lot most I so there're
somewhere between 182 and 257 texians so who knows but yeah a couple hundred of
them died um some people think that one person Henry warell escaped um but other
people don't think that that's true they think that everyone all of the the men were killed for sure the Mexicans who
died were buried the texians were burned and then a few weeks later the
Mexicans lost to the texians in the Battle of San jitto and the texin win
and Texas has it Independence for the next 10 years until it joins the the Confederacy so that's basically what
happened like on that day any fun facts that you remember that you want to share yeah now I remember why I thought what I
thought that they killed everybody and the reason is is because I was a little boy and I was like wait a minute why am
I the one that is killed and actually now as an adult I'm
like can we revisit this whole women and children thing like like why do I have
to die like Taylor if you on a listen if
you're on a boat with me okay children leave children out of equation okay let's just like apples to apples here
right same age same experience level whatever I me why on Earth do you get to
live and I get have to like what how I'm a lady I understand that and as a feminist I should totally be agreeing
with you but also I'm like these are my ladies things I need to be saved I'm a lady [ __ ] put me on the boat you
stay on the Titanic part I'm a lady [ __ ] I'm oh man okay I need you know
what I never campaign on this but I do think I have a point here fair but I Al I'm not giving that
up I'm not giving women and children up first okay children I can accept yes children are fine but also like they're
not gonna be able to take care of themselves yes so put like 10 children
put like 10 children on a Life by themselves they're gonna die in like a day you I why can't I go with
them I'm stronger I could actually Pro provide more like
I mean good point you make you make good points I believe in equality of the
Sexes I know I guess I do too I guess that's fair um so you know a lot about
the Elmo because you are from Texas and there's a big part in the book forget the Alamo about how in seventh grade you
go on a trip to the elm like that's a big thing and during that time a lot of
Mexican children who are Mexican-American find out that they're Mexican you know like they get there and
they're excited and by the time they leave a lot of their friends are like you're Mexican you're the bad guy yeah
so like that's really hard for a huge part of the Texas population which is interesting because Texas culture in
Mexican so that's the thing like Texas isn't like the South South like it's funny because growing up I was like
everybody was like oh you know you learn about the Confederacy and like Texas is a part of the South and then and when I
grew up and I started going to like Alabama in Arkansas and Miss was like oh oh this is Deep South this is very
different because here Mexican culture like it's just like a part of like life
like it's like I mean it's IND like I don't know it's so it's just strange to me like learning about how things are in
those remote parts of like the deep deep south it's just like no it's it's different it's dramatically different
and like Texas is it own unique thing yeah I think that's fair which is strange which is strange because like I
do remember that I do remember taking those filters being like oh so the Mexicans are the bad guys baddies and
then and then you like age like maybe five years and then you're like oh
actually we're like all one thing like we're all kind of like one po here yeah but that's really it's it's like a a
right of passage for a lot of Mexican-American kids and they talk about how awful it is for them you know
to like go on that field trip and like feel that way sure um but one of the reasons so Alo is a tech is a example of
you know Texas bravery and sure like they were definitely were there and they were definitely going to die but it wasn't a huge deal or like a huge thing
in the pop popular culture until in 1955 there were a string of films called The
Magical World of Disney and five of them were about Dave Crockett okay Walt so Walt Disney made these and that's the
King of the Wild Frontier um stuff people went not there were like like the
number of raccoon tail hats went up by like 800,000 per that year that Christmas of 1955 um and that's when the
Legend Starts to like really stick and in the meantime John Wayne is trying to get an Alamo movie produced and John
Wayne is famously like he did not fight in
war that were around when he was of War fighting age when Pearl Harbor happened John Wayne was 34 and he had a family so
he was exempt from going to World War II and he always felt weird about that like that's something that he tries to make
up for in his like personas you know and um so he made a movie it didn't come out
until 1960 and by then it was kind of too late to get for that like wave of like Alamo Mo fever wait John Wayne was
34 during World War II yeah wow so yeah he would have been hold
on your your number is right he would like 12 years old now
yeah he's not like no yeah he's old he's dead obviously yeah but he made this
movie in 1960 and it's on it's free with ads on Amazon Prime and I watched like the first part of it have you ever seen
a John Wayne movie no I feel like I haven't either because it feels like John Wayne is
doing a John Wayne impression when I'm watching it it's so funny he goes like he's like
all right senorita well I'm going to take my horse out to the
yeah he's like he's like he's like those actors like he's like the rock or like Ryan Reynolds where like he's literally
just him not Ryan Reynolds um oh God yeah Ryan Reynolds Blake ly's husband who is that Ryan Reynolds yeah yeah yeah
yes who's the same in every movie the same yes exactly there's no acting it's just like you're just being yourself and
we just decided as a public that we like who you are exactly like deadpol the same character as all the other
characters Ry but we like you so you do that exactly so that's what you should I mean you should watch a little bit of it
it's really funny there's just so much of a there's so much Spanish in it which I think is also interesting because you're like yeah they're a part of
Mexico you know um but they have them like kind of like leading up to it the guy who plays Travis is very very
handsome but um it's just it's just really funny and if you haven't watched the J movie you just all you know is the
Impressions and they're all true didn't he play genis Khan oh I think maybe it's
a jengus but I think maybe it's just like that that's the thing that like stuck out like when I thought of like John
Wayne was like him trying to as Mongolian it's like seriously this
is the best guy we could get to play a Mongolian that's a lot it's a lot in there it's a lot it's called the
Conqueror is that we said yeah I'm looking at the pictures in there a
lot John Wayne yeah it's a bad come on like what
who cast this it was like this this works like he looks like a clown like I
should watch that because I wonder if he does the same voice he's like hello senorita I'm jenas Khan see at least you
brener he looked weird enough to wear like he like had a weird looking head
and so he could pass off as being like vaguely from C I think it was in that
movie The keing and I oh yeah I mean he's actually like Russian and I think he like died of like
horrible horrible like cancer when he was like 45 years old but anyways um sorry go ahead I'm derailing us again
berer is so cool looking he's so cool was 65 was it horrible cancer though did I
get that part of it right I don't know but he's Russian but like Asian Russian Mongolian like that's what it
was like that's he was this from the Steep or step or whatever like that's kind yeah he died of lung cancer yeah he
died of lung cancer oh he looks cool as Ramsay second The Ten Commandments also from 1956 okay
we're D we're derails but that is a cool picture right it's cool um so he was
like cat right you see it this kind of look
like cat yeah he looks cool I like it I like his Vibe should watch a king and I
again very fun um so okay what am I even
talking about the Alamo yeah what are we what are we doing here CHR okay so that's John Wayne do you remember the three people that I named at the
beginning of the story John Wayne oh yeah uh Phil
Collins and Lynden Johnson Lyndon Johnson y so Lyndon Johnson would talk about the Alamo so much he would read
this poem about the Alamo that his mom used to read to him when he was a little kid he would talk about it and he got to the point where he'd be like when my
ancestors and my great- great-grandfather was at the Alamo and people were like what just making stuff up like it was none of that
they it he was just like so excited about it he' bring it up all the time when he was like doing his own policy
stuff um and I'll talk about Phil Collins in a minute well let me do talk
let me talk about it now so there's a an Alamo M Museum that Phil Collins has um
donated his collection of Alamo [ __ ] to because he's obsessed with it he is like
goes to he would go to San Antonio all the time talk to the curators talk to all these people he has all this
memorabilia and [ __ ] that like probably isn't real you know yeah
like like who knows I mean how would you date how would you yeah exactly how would you know right so like there's
there's stuff where like people have found like knives like around who even knows it's a city now but like knives
around you know where they like oh this must have been from like the Mexicans were had their encampment or this must have been from where you know from here
and here and then most people are like there's no way to verify that but Phil Collins is Cahoots with this dude who's
like hey guess what all I did was like polish my knife and there is a JB engraved in it can you believe it he did
that like 25 times you're like no I don't think that's true so the Phil Collins collection is iffy but it's
still up to debate whether or not it's even going to be displayed at the Elmo it's still kind of back and forth so fun so fun little yeah little
thing so the alamoo was actually run by the daughters of Texas and anything with
the word daughters in it I think should be looked at with suspicion I agree because like the um the Daughters of the
American Revolution which is like you can join if you can prove that like your family goes back to the American Revolution here in America in 19
something elanar roseval resigned very publicly because the DAR wouldn't um let
an African-American singer Marion Anderson perform at at at an event and Ellen roselt was like that's ridiculous
I'm out yeah and I think that she's not like the only one who has done that so the daughters of of Texas they did a
terrible job taking care of the Alamo they only cared about like the myth they
really would sell kind of like crappy Chach ke which I'm sure they still do um
but it was kind of falling apart and there was some embezzlement on behalf of the the daughters of Texas in um in the
early 1900s it belonged to the city of San Antonio and there were two women in 1903 who tried to save it together there
was a woman named Adina Amelia davala and a woman named Clara Driscoll Clara
was super rich she was an ays and she really wanted to take out um a big part
of the Alamo complex and make it into a park for people to walk around in but Amilia dealo was like some of these
buildings that we have here that are used as like literally a grocery store in 1903 I she's like I believe this is
where the barracks were like this is more important than a park is digging underneath this building and finding the
original Barracks cuz that's where people Di you know and so the two of them clashed and they clashed and the clashed and Clara ended up winning and
she like got her park and when they eventually did excavate underneath like the buildings um Adena was correct that
is where the barracks were and that should have been like preserved better but Clara because she was rich to gave all that money is buried at the Alamo
and Adena is not sweet um and so the daughters of Texas
were audited in 2009 and the control was given back to the city City there's a whole thing with uh Jeb Bush's son
George Bush um like promising different things and like when do we he was like a
city Congressman city council person Senator somewhere in there I I I think he was like it was something weird it
was like water Water Commission or something yeah and he was like you know trying to figure out like you know
trying to make it part of his platform you know what do we save what do we what do we do but the big thing is like the
way that they're teaching the way they teach the Alamo is you know they're required to teach them as being heroic
you know and you're like you're brave in that you stayed there till you died you
know you didn't have any choice or whatever but like the and it was a war and so everyone is like going through
something but also what they were fighting for was very clearly to have t
well the heroism part was trying and save the women and children who wouldn't sacrifice themselves the selfish no it's
not like that baby was going to save anybody Taylor if we were being attack I would for sure throw you at the bayonet
and run away the opposite direction think we should give babies guns see this we come full circle like
like eventually it ends up with arming teachers and babies I don't believe you should do
that my hard know on that but you're making some good points if you're gonna start throwing babies at people they
should at least have guns you can't start using babies as like cannon
fodder they with the Horseshoes there you go that will surprise them that is way more surprising than a
horseshoe What If instead of a cannonball it's like a little baby with a cape and then then they have to drop
their weapons and catch it and then they're caught off guard I don't think they would catch it but I do think baby shrapnel is like a really good name for
a new rap song I think they catch it yeah maybe I think nine times out of 10
they would drop their guns to catch that baby it'd be like a it's hard to not do that we will only know if we test
this okay well when we live in different countries and I live in the Republic of California and you live in the Republic
of Texas when we go to war yes we go to war with each other we can test that and you'll be
like it's a baby and be like Taylor as you catch the baby and then get stabbed
damn it that I knew she was going to do this to me but you would catch it I know you would thank you thank you for believing
me but uh yeah that's it I really recommend the book forget the Alamo I'll put it in
the um in the show notes it's really fun you know they really they talk most of it is about like after the Battle of the
Alamo you know all these people are are talking about like what um what we should do with it like what is Texas
history all that kind of stuff and then the Phil Colin stuff is hilarious and bizarre because you're like what is he doing he's just buying a bunch of crap
for a lot of money didn't Matthew MCC do a movie there's one with there's one from
the 80s where Alec Baldwin plays Travis Alec Baldwin yeah um
movies okay yeah it's called oh wait no that
was that was cner did it we got the
cost and that's it is that really it I guess it is yeah I guess well it's time
for another one isn't it though maybe I don't know it's fun I like I like being in San Antonio San Antonio is very cool
the Riverwalk is a fake river which I thought was very strange I did not know that was a fake River I actually would
have assumed that that's part of like the other story we did about the Colorado I would have assumed that's part of the Colorado it might mean the
water probably from the Colorado but it's like it looks like the river you do it like Six Flags when you like go on
the like a lazy river yes exactly it was like Lazy River um they say the 2004
movie is probably the most historically accurate it is produced by Ron Howard so
it's probably be pretty good and you have Dennis Quaid as Sam Houston and bil
God Patrick Wilson is is Travis oh my God you love Patrick Wilson
I love Patrick Wilson I think you need to add this Emily disel is in it that's weird
really yeah I wonder if she talks like bones that's the only thing I can think of I never I've literally never seen her
anything else this could be good this could be a
pretty fun watch actually yeah it says you will never forget on the
thing um um yeah also like you know there were um they do say in this IMDb thing
that I should have said earlier is that it wasn't just white people it was also Toano people as well so like there
weren't there were you know people who lived in Mexico more too background for
there as well but yeah of course I mean again like that's the thing like like Texas culture and like Mexican culture
is like so intertwined like I know so interesting and yet they you know
putting razor wire in the Rio Grand so here's here's something that's interesting about all that is again
being raised here and then having lived in like Florida is that a lot of
Hispanic culture the right as opposed to they afraid of
yes they're afraid of dictatorship yeah well to be like so so
it's it's Case by case I think so I think that in the case of Florida where a lot of the people there are from um
further south South America and Cuba theirs is a dictatorship fear and communism fear and so that's a very very
staunchly predictable Republican vote in any election and in a place like Texas I
I'm having a hard time kind of placing what that is I don't know I don't know I I can't even begin to speculate on what
that where that come obviously the religion piece is a big part of it so
yeah I gonna say life thing is a part of piece of that um I don't know I don't know it's
interesting it goes back to what I've always kind of said which is like when it comes to like who people are what
they believe and like all that stuff like you can't really put a box on a demographic and say they're all like
this everybody has their own intent and their own motives and their own reasons being the way they are and Le say they
have but it is interesting like I would say like Texas does have that unique Spirit of being weirdly Multicultural
compared to like what you would consider the South yeah even like if you go to like Northern Florida Northern Florida
is [ __ ] scary like I don't like being there like it's not it's funny I'm
actually going there in like three weeks um so it'll be nerve-wracking a little bit um yeah but who knows um that's fun
though I I'm I'm that's a really exciting topic I actually have wanted to go to San Antonio SAN only like 45
minutes away from me and I wanted that trip again and I just haven't mostly because it's just God there's nothing
better than being hungry after a day of exploring the Alamo and going to the boardwalk eating just chips and guac
with Margaritas outside it's just like the best day I have
the when I went there one of the people in our party a group people she was very
much like I have to have oatmeal for breakfast we were like okay so we walked like a mile and a half passed 10,000
restaurants people were having the best [ __ ] time like leaning out the window drinking Margarita screaming and we ended up in like the bottom the basement
of a mall so she could have oatmeal wait who this just someone one of my friends so we were like oh my god look how much
fun everybody's having we had so much good food there the wedding I went to I think had a big potato bar that is so
fun I love those or I had or I had like a big potato but it was like amazing man I bet they're still married oh yeah
they're still married they're kids teenagers yeah like when when you plan a wedding that cool uh how can you not
last right it was it was lovely it was lovely um yeah it was like our first big trip together that W and I had anyway it
was a long time ago but very fun um it's a fun story and
yeah Dan text me let me know what you thought hope hope this is one you listen
to yeah texians Texas people um yeah Texas don't leave just like calm down no
one wants to do that no one wants to deal with us no one's gonna do it if it's if anything's gonna happen it's gonna be like that movie Civil War that
is coming out with was it Jason Plum whatever his name is it looks really good um oh good I'm sure we need that to
I know people up I saw the preview when I went watch I forgot what I went to watch but it was recent and I saw the
preview I was like this is not what we need right now but it all fun so uh
sweet well Taylor thank you for sharing that that was an awesome story and I'm looking forward to hearing some feedback
from when it we publish it oh my God the poster for civil war has people with
guns at the top of the stue Liberty we do not need this it's just painting a picture of our
future oh just want to live my life and I don't know not do
that it's I mean it's it's mostly not us who are going to be screwed it's going to be like two generations from us I
know about um I you have an an email if you have a second yeah please um so my
cousin Lindsay who we talked about earlier um who is like I said just the smartest person I know literally um
wrote Emil about the um you know saying Native American and talking a little bit
about like the episodes that we did on um Carl Mai and louen Clark and she has
she numbered her email because she's very academic but her first point is we
should absolutely go to a paow if we're ever if we ever are near one um it sounds super fun and they're super fun
so we should do that um you know as for the way we refer to native peoples you
know referring to them by their tribe or even by their Clan would be even better if we knew that so we're going to try to do that as much as possible um and then
number three um one thing that that one of us said that I think I definitely say in a way
that I need to like clarify and talk and and that I know is not the correct thing
to say is like when we say all Native Americans were killed and like destroyed like that's not true there are
definitely people still alive you know they are when when have we ever said that I feel like we might we we she said
one of offhandedly was like yeah and then like we destroyed all of the neighor like I don't know exactly what we said but like I feel like I want to
make it clear like I don't want to ever not talk about people who are still stories if we said that it was probably
meant to be flippant and not like literal exactly I just want to like put that in there um and then also you know
something that we have that is very very real is like you know how Germany has their um you know how they feel about
Native Americans and we still have so many sports teams that have like really not cool names you know I the Red Skins
was the biggest obvious one so I actually read a book and I should have find it and tell you because during Co I
was reading some books about like the Native American Experience um and one of
the books I read said that [ __ ] meant a pile of bloody bodies like that's
where that comes from not like a pigment of your skin but like they were like you know so that's even worse and it was bad
you know yeah so um and I like the name Commander I think it's kind of cool don't um and then um
yeah so just a little bit a little bit of that um she recommended the book playing Indian by Philip J deloria so
I'm gonna read that and take a look at it yeah is are you just on a kick lately
because you did Carl M last week and now you're doing the alamu this week is there
like Western and then American West like is there like a you know that's so inter
because I do think my topic next week is going to be German but I wasn't thinking about going back and forth between German and the Amer Germany and the
American West I I don't know where this coming from I should unpack that somehow
maybe with you later um but yeah no I don't know s American West I have another American West story to tell you
I was going to do a German story next week and then couple more and then I have some
fun things in the in the hopper for women's History Month in March sweet sweet and then we can discuss the
whole women and children thing during women's History Month oh my God so funny we should I I'm sure there's a good
reason why that is a thing I remember I'm sorry everyone who doesn't care
about this but when one of the Dan Carlin I think it's a Celtic Holocaust one where he talks about how like the Romans just like killed all of the Kelts
mostly and then some of them went up to Ireland but um the women in those tribes of people would go with them to battle
and if their husbands came back not injured they'd be like what the [ __ ] is wrong with you you didn't fite her enough I mean that was yeah I think that
was like Spartan I mean that was a lot of cultures I think yeah so um I'd be
like you know what I'm gonna stay home and one go fight to the death give
me a call later but I don't think I'm gonna go so listeners if you have an opinion
of this please let us S I would but I don't want to um cool well thank you fars thank you Taylor thank you everyone
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