The Mona Lisa is widely considered to be the most famous painting in the world. However, it wasn't always this way. The painting was created by Leonardo da Vinci, who is regarded as one of the greatest artists of all time. Interestingly, the painting was left unfinished by da Vinci. The Mona Lisa was just one of many beautiful paintings by da Vinci until it was stolen in 1911. This event thrust the painting into the international spotlight and turned it into a cultural icon. It's a fascinating story, and we invite you to join us in exploring it!
The Mona Lisa is widely considered to be the most famous painting in the world. However, it wasn't always this way. The painting was created by Leonardo da Vinci, who is regarded as one of the greatest artists of all time. Interestingly, the painting was left unfinished by da Vinci. The Mona Lisa was just one of many beautiful paintings by da Vinci until it was stolen in 1911. This event thrust the painting into the international spotlight and turned it into a cultural icon. It's a fascinating story, and we invite you to join us in exploring it!
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so um so I'm want talking about art because um I have a very expensive art history degree that I also can't find
mom if you'll send this I can't find it but um like the physical degree I don't think that I need it but like I can't
find it um but I was looking up fun things that happened in Europe like
heists and thefts so I thought maybe let's talk about like an art Heist and like art theft in the past um and I read
a book about it it's like the famous art heists and I'll share it in uh our
socials and such but a lot of the things that I read about it are people being like it's theft it's not a heist and
it's not fun you know you're like yeah but like it's also kind of fun it's definitely awesome you know like it's
something that like you know is in um you know obviously in our Zeitgeist for so long like I mean obviously You' seen
the have you seen The Thomas Crown Affair I have not seen that one it's so good so my friend Nicole that you know
oh oh that was pierce broen oh my what was the woman's name um she's pretty I
don't remember Renee Rene Z no not zel worker Renee Rene ruso yes I don't know
why I'm screaming sorry no she's very pretty you can scream um but Nicole and I lived in Italy in Florence for a
semester we shed a room and we had we had the only TV in the apartment in our room and so we would watch a lot of like MTV Italia and like random things and
one day she was like man I just want to watch The Thomas Crown Affair and then it was on TV which was like little exciting for us fun um my favorite Heist
movie is in trapment okay fair that a good one they're all good have you seen the Rick
and Morty Heist episode no it's like a heist within a heist with a it's really good it's like great he like hates
heists and then like does a thing and like so so a heist is fun um also so one
of the first movies that like really talked about um art theft was in Dr No in 1962 which was the first James Bond
movie um in real life the portrait of the Duke of Wellington had just been stolen in in the UK and it was stolen
for like a couple years and they found it I didn't know that's how what we're talking about but it was in Dr NOS layer in the movie like he had been the one
who stole it like they just like put it in as like a prop which is fun wasn't the real one but like that's a fun thing that also happened in red notice did you
watch Red notice it was on Netflix it's like Ryan Reynolds being Ryan Reynolds which you talked about in the past in
the rock yeah and the Rock and they do that thing where the rock is an FBI agent and he like finds Ryan reynolds's
like Island house and he's like well I think that I heard that you stole this painting and Ryan Reynolds is like I
didn't do it it's behind him you know like that's stupid but that's really funny um the oh the guy who actually had
stolen the portrait of the Duke of Wellington from the National Gallery in London he was just a dude who was pissed
that his cable bill was going up so he just went in and took it and like how did he correlate the two
he was like I think I think that what I got from it was like in the UK at least at that point he it was like a public
service the television was so it was like you pay the government for the television service is what I got I think
so he wanted to like you know whatever um punish the government for that so it ended up that he was only
charged with stealing the frame because he had like uh because that was something that like I think he had
damaged it but like the fact that he didn't plan to keep it forever meant that it wasn't a crime which is like a
hilarious Loop loophole cuz like you can't just do that like oh I saw your car but like I meant to bring it back
like no you didn't but um he got three months in jail for stealing the frame which is kind of fun I I heard that if
you back in the day if you if you broke out of jail it was only a crime if you didn't ship back your jail
clothing that wasn't specifically in in the rules yeah yeah they like that's funny like how people want to be free
and so you can't blame him for breaking out yeah it's hilarious um yeah so it was like a loophole that that got him
out but um oh there's also the Audrey H movie how to steal a million is really good too I don't know if anyone seen
that but it's great um so like now it's a little bit more it it is you know it
is hard to steal art out of a museum like there really is a lot of you know no but like I feel like it'd be
hard especially now that we like cameras and I assume lasers you know like that's
what I assume is everywhere um but the first reported art theft reported you
know big one was in 1472 um that happened when um a ship on
route to Florence with a triptic which means like a painting that's in three pieces by Hans meling called the last
judgment and it was on a ship and it got um taken over by polish Pirates and it
got uh taken to the Polish city of good Dan and I think it's still there today
like it was taken there and they put it on display and it's been like a bunch of back and forth since then but that was like the first one that was like
recorded um so I'm going to talk about a different piece of art that has been in
and out of a bunch of different places and is probably the most famous painting in the world um you
think of a lady who is the most famous painting in the world who has also recently been souped upon I was so
hoping this was going to be about Nicholas Cage and the Declaration of Independence but I guess it's not um I'm
going to go with uh the Mona Lisa correct I got something right that's
what I wrote I wrote correct I You' get it so we'll talk about the Mona Lisa she
it's a miracle that we still have her you know because she's like 500 years old and um it's so cool to me as someone
who is a art his art history major who does not work in art history at all and
never will um I still think it's so cool that you can stand in front of these paintings like you can stand in front of
them and someone painted it you know it's like a real thing like there's prints of course when you see them in real life like it's just really cool
like there's places in Italy where I like saw paintings that like have never moved from where they were painted
because they're on walls they're painted onto the wall but you've seen it reproduced so many times but you could like be in the room that it was made
it's fun you know like the cine chapel and Last Supper it's cool to see that um have you ever seen the Mona Lisa in
person I've never been to France so no um I think I've been to Paris went for
like a day so didn't get to go but um it's very crowded and stressful obviously it's like a whole thing but
let me tell you a little bit about why um I did get to stand in front of my favorite painting in the National Gallery in London the arnoldi portrait
by Yan vanik is my favorite painting um and like it wasn't crowded and I went back a few times to stare at it and it
just like really cool to be there with it in wait what stressful it's visiting the lube visiting the Mona Lisa
specifically so um basically they I say this later but I'll say it now like in
2019 so very recently they changed it so there's like a line and you go in in a small group and you have 30 seconds to
look at it and then you have to leave because before then it was just a crowded room and you were like 20 fet
from it you know yeah it's not that not very big I'll talk about how big she is as well in a second um do you know who
painted Leonardo da Vinci oh mon Lisa I just told you oh no did you know that I
would have said DiCaprio but D Vinci works too um I Jesus Christ leard Da
Vinci but I I did know that when I was a kid I was obsessed with l d Vinci when I was a kid I like wanted to be like I
wanted to be like he was like the first person I was like oh I want to be like that guy cuz I was like he's so smart and he's so cool and he keeps like
buying corpses and cutting them up and like drawing them he like write his notes in like the mirror upside down
backwards yeah like he just a cool guy yeah exactly he's a cool guy and one of
the things that they call him is a polymath which is a person who like is like a renaissance man like someone who
knows like you know all sorts of things and is really good at all sorts of things so like Elon Musk like thinks
he's one um a good example is Benjamin Franklin obviously is like a person who like you know tinkered in a lot of
different things and was really smart but when I Googled who are the modern polymaths the first person that comes up
is Natalie Portman so good for her is it what does it just being a genius yeah like smart but like in
different but like really good at like different things like philosophy and history and art and whatever so you you
were never going to get over your Feud with Elon Musk are you no because I'm a good person but we not talk about it um
so Leonardo da Vinci was born on April 15 145
near Vinci the city probably um he could have been born in Florence at a house his dad owned but we don't know his
parents were not married his dad was a notary and his mom was like a peasant woman both of them within a year of of
his birth would marry other people and his dad would have three more wives um lonardo had 16 half siblings 11 of them
survived infancy and U but he wasn't very close with them because he was a lot older than them his last sibling was
born when he was 46 so wow just like you know his dad like you know getting younger and younger wives as they
die you know like you do um he was raised in his father's household he had an informal education so just like you
know whatever you learned at home um he learned how to read but it was like um vernacular so it wasn't like formal
education but later he he ended up showing like obviously a lot of Promise in the Arts um he said that he
remembered being a baby and seeing a bird in his cradle but and people are like you don't remember that that was so
long ago but like I believe him if anyone's going to remember being a baby it's lead AR div G you know I mean I'll
believe him just because the story has no significance yeah exactly so um he at 14
the family moved to Florence and he was
um he was trained in painting sculpture metal working and he worked with an
artist named veroo We you have to say it Verio you have to say it like that it
bario and he you know quickly he was better than him you know like everyone knew and could tell that this kid was
like really really [ __ ] great at everything he did um one historian vizari who's also a painter but was like
a really important historian for this time um a lot of this is from him um I also just like love that he lived in
Florence because I lived in Florence I took a I took the most ridiculous classes when I lived in Florence one was
the Landscapes and Gardens of Tuscany and every Thursday we just went to a different garden and all my papers I got a pluses on it was just like very fun
and then I took one just called Leonardo Michelangelo Raphael and it was just we
would just go to museums and we like went to Milan and like looked at paintings and it was great um but it's fun that he was there where I also have
been um this is obviously the time of the Renaissance there is you know incredible artists and thinkers and
Painters and he lived with voko for a while but he also had his own studio so he also did the things that like you see
in his like sketchbooks you know like he would draw like flying machines and you know imagine all these things that like
weren't possible then but he would draw them and he would draw people he would um dissect people to like draw their
vocal cords after they were dead I don't know where he got them I don't know the details of that that's like when I was a
kid that was like the part of it that like always discouraged me the most about I was like I'll never be a Super Genius Like Leonard Da Vinci because
like even his like sketches were like crazy works of art oh my God I know like
his throw away material was like I was like okay so wait so I got to like start drawing now [ __ ] that is like the
best [ __ ] that anybody can ever draw just so I can work my way up to painting this like you know I was like I mean
this feels inou for my skill set it's like L Da Vinci sketched this person and
you're like holy crap that's the most beautiful thing I've ever seen you know like it's crazy um so he ended up moving
to Milan and he became a court artist and engineer to a band called ludio
sporza The Duke of Milan um and he did a lot of engineering things so he
designed like elaborate parties which sounds really fun war machines and flying machines and he did like a bunch
of like Naval stuff so he would be able to um like design new boats um new ways
of you know armoring in Milan it's where he painted the Last Supper which I know you've seen you know what that looks
like um it is in Santa Maria Del Gracia which is a church it is on a wall like
it doesn't move it's not painted anything it's painted it onto the wall so one thing that Michelangelo did like
the cine Chapel in Fresco which is where you paint wet plaster so you're putting
the pigment into the plaster as it is drying and that makes it like really resilient and it makes it like last long
time and like hardens into the painting it is so hard to do that there was in
Italy also Nicole and I took with my art history teacher he did like an activity where he had us paint a fresco and we
just had like a little piece of um of things uh like of plaster and we
had to like paint over it and it just like it dries so fast it's so hard to do anything on it but that's how like
Michelangelo did those things those things and a lot of the things in Italy are that but Leonardo didn't like doing that so instead he did a layer of white
lead which I'm sure was great for every really good for yeah yeah um and then he painted in tempera paint which is a
pigment typically made of eggs so um it's like eggs mixed with the different colors of pigment that you get from from
like nature and it lasts a really [ __ ] long time it's like a lot of paintings before oil paintings were
painted using the egg temper Tempa it's hard not to say egg tempora and I know I'm saying that wrong so wait he didn't
paint with oil paintings or oil not yet okay not yet not the Last Supper so he
did it in The Temper egg temper two layers of glaze and it is miraculously
still there um in World War II it was boarded up and the church was totally bombed but that one wall stayed up
that's crazy and um it's been restored a few times um but
uh he painted that in Milan while he was there so Milan was part was like it wasn't like Italy was all one country
during the 1500s so it was like you different little kingdoms so he was living with like the Duke and the Duke
of Milan was overthrown by France so he had to leave and like go to a different part of Italy he went like the Italian
area so he went to Venice and um he was an architect an eval designer he also
Drew awesome Maps which is cool because of course he could draw great great Maps so can interject real quick and go
backwards for a second Have You Seen the Last Supper in person yes so like what
is it you walk into a church and it's just like standing there they like built other like walls
around it obviously and then like you it's like but it's like its own its own old wall in like new walls because the
walls were all destroyed in during World War II but then and there's like a you can't get close to it there's like a Red
Velvet Rope but you can walk in and you see it and it's just there does it have like a thing on it like the way the mo
Lisa has a thing on it that you can't I don't think so it did I mean I was there 20 years ago but it didn't then right now that's kind of
crazy walk into a church and like see yeah something so old and famous and
that you've seen so many times reproduced you know and then you like see it in person is it big
yes it's like big on the wall that's a good question dimensions of the Last
Supper hold on it is oh God 346 in what the hell does that
mean it is 28 feet yeah it's huge wow
it's really big okay sorry curious no no great question so he when he was in um
in Italy he worked for the pope for a while um he also did he would do fun things like glue horns to lizards and
have them run around and Like Glue Wings on lizards and have them like run around and like scare people um I heard the
story in my class that I took in Florence that he like figured out how to like blow up a lizard's skin to make it
like huge and then it would like explode like he did a lot of like experiments he was like a gross un necessarily cruel
and shitty um so he was doing all of that he
had um we don't know much about his personal life he had an assistant named
Gian gomo C Deo better known as salai s a l a i um they lived together for 30
years so it spec speculated that they were you know lovers and not just
roomates is it a man uh yes it's a man um the nickname salai is derived from
the Italian word salano which means little devil or imp so I feel like if you're nicknaming someone oh you little
devil like I don't know maybe you're dating it's cute what do I what do I know um so I and um I also read that he
earlier in his life he had been charged with the crime of sodomy but it was the roof so he was not um charged with it so
there are little things that suggest that he you know was in um like a homosexual relationship but like I'm not
here out him but that's just like something that he never had a relationship with a woman that was like recorded or a man he he's like the the
most important per like one of the most important figures in human history who gives a [ __ ] yeah exactly um so in 1515
he moved to France to be with King Francis I first um after France did some more overthrowing of parts of Italy um
he died on the 2nd of May 1519 at the age of 67 he
probably died of a stroke he had a couple Strokes like leading up to that so pretty long life he died when he was
67 in France um he that's a long life 67 in 1500s yeah oh okay 1500s I was like
dude that's like 28 years for me yeah no I think it's pretty good um he
there's a story that I I've heard before that like he was never religious but when he died he asked God for forgiveness I don't know if that's true
or something that people wanted to say afterwards but um there's that as well he's buried in Italy but he died had
died in France so okay let's talk about the Mona Lisa herself um she and I'm
gonna talk about like why is she in France anyway I'm talk because I'll tell you why in a minute um her name was
probably Lisa gadini she was a wife of a wealthy Merchant she was about 24 when
the painting was made um people also speculate that maybe she was like he
painted her but he was actually painting salai the The Apprentice who lived with
him but that's probably not true people have been trying to like figure out exactly who she was like forever um but
it is 30 by 20 in so it's much smaller than the Last Supper it's pretty small
it is oil so it an oil painting and o was just becoming popular so oil
painting is instead of mixing the pigment with egg you mix it with linseed oil or like another oil and that gives
you the ability to like layer the paint um and so Leonardo's technique that he
made popular was called suato SF u m a t o which is like layers and that makes it
look kind of like hazy in the background you know yeah cool things like that um it's a half length portrait she's
sitting in front of a a landscape and it it right now is in in the loop move um
so she also probably like the paint also was like very delicate so she probably had eyebrows and eyelashes but those
have just been like erased by time and like cleaning and all of that um so I was thinking I was wondering like why is
she why is she in France when it's like an Italian painter and an Italian woman but it it sounds like he just brought
her there he had started to do the painting he never finished it he it's like technically not finished he never
gave it to the man who commissioned it and he took it with him when he went to France to live with the to live in the court there so that's just kind of where
it stayed and where it ended up um the she's been in the Lou since
1797 um but not the entire time someone tell you sometimes when she was not there um guess who hung her in his
bedroom no God this is for you to guess the rock I don't know sure he could have
it um Napoleon of course oh yeah of course yes um which means I was wrong when I said that the the Muse Napoleon
the Napoleon Museum became the Lou it sounds like it was the Lou and then he had the name changed to the museum
Napoleon and then they changed it back to the L after he was gone so he had just kind of like called it that and
brought all of his stolen things in there um so for a little bit she was uh hanging in his bedroom during the Franco
Prussian War she was moved to an Arsenal outside of Paris just for safey reasons
um but the big thing that happened to the monalisa which really really made her famous is on August 21st 1911 she
was stolen from the LOF it um really was like an international
mystery it was in every paper there were reproductions of her everywhere and this is a time when it became like that
that's why it became so famous because there's like a bunch of Leonardo da Vinci paintings you can see but this one
became famous because of all the reproductions and all the mystery upon the fact that she was stolen was he was
was was he famous as in like was yeah if Napoleon took it then
presumably he knew that this was like something that was like very valuable yes already yes it was valuable but it
was like it wasn't the Leonardo painting you know it was all works are good but there wasn't like a this is the number
one one until the moon Lisa was stolen and then everybody was like oh my God like really excited about it got
it and then so what so they were like you know all it was all over the news people thought they were like did JP
Morgan do it and have it sent to America people thought they questioned Picasso thought that he might have done it um
but it turned out that the L was just being cleaned um so it was closed for a couple days and a painter named Lou Baro
W was like hey guys you know I think this is gone like he was like I think I haven't seen the painting in here and
like people had thought it been moved to be cleaned but no one could find it and so it took like about 24 hours people to
actually realize that had been stolen like it wasn't anywhere else in the museum it turns out that a man named Vin
Vincenzo Perugia had just taken it he worked there and he walked in in his work clothes at 7: a.m. just lifted It
Off the Wall put it in a Cupboard and took her home at night and just like took it out um he was questioned but not
suspicious so they just like didn't think that it was him and he had her for a few years he had him had it in his
apartment in Paris in a closet and then in a in the drawer under his oven like
we're so lucky that it's not didn't catch on fire or like be destroyed or melted you know he had it in his kitchen
for several years then he brought it to Italy in his car he had a false bottom under his trunk probably like you know
where the spare tire is he had her in there took her to Italy tried to sell her to some um art guys and they were
like yeah no this is no you can't like also like it's hard to get rid of stolen
art once you've stolen art because like everyone knows and so um they they
turned him in um he said that it was because she belonged in Italy and that's why he had stolen her but like it's
probably was just about money he tried to sell it and also he kept it in his closet for two years in Paris you know
it's not like but they but he's still kind of hiled as he was hiled as a hero in Italy and he served six months in
jail for that that really made it like the biggest that really made her very very popular um during World War I she
was moved all the time I know we talked about this but like the Nazis were obviously like huge art thieves and they
wanted to have everything there's so much that they like there's lost forever that they like probably destroyed we've all seen monuments been you know um all
of that but they would move Mona Lisa constantly they put her in like private vaults in churches in people's homes
sometimes like they only had a couple hours to get her out as the Nazis like came barreling into France they just like move it and move it and move it um
and luckily um it survived the entire the entire war and was returned to the lou in September
1945 so why is it why is it in France um because that's where lonardo was he
brought it there like he rolled it up and brought it there to finish because he died in France the last years of his
life he spent in France and it was just one of his unfinished paintings and he brought it with him and Italy doesn't have any rights to it because I mean
he's an Italian citizen no he brought it there and he worked for the king of France of his own free will you know I
guess sense it belongs it belongs to France yeah um so another fun thing
about Lona Lisa is she really inspires people to throw [ __ ] at her so in 1956 she was she's moved she's
gone traveled a little bit in different exhibitions and she went to a different part of France and someone threw acid on
her which damaged the bottom um also in that same year someone threw a
rock and that damaged her a little bit um a a dude in the 50s also thought he was in love with her and tried to steal
her out of the frame so he cut it with a razor blade and obviously didn't get it um so then she needed to be protected in
glass it's not it's in bulletproof glass now but it ended up being you know put in glass in the 60s she went to the US
and the Kennedy saw her in DC so 1962 she was in DC and in New York for a little bit um she was almost ruined by a
sprinkler in DC but they but her glass protected her um in 1974 she was in
Tokyo and a woman sprayed red paint on her but on the glass the glass around it but sprayed red paint on her because she
was upset that the museum didn't have um disabled access so she did that in
protest in 2009 a Russian woman was mad that she didn't have French citizenship so she bought teacup at the store in the
Lou and threw that at her and it like shattered on the glass and everything was fine in May 2022 a man disguised as
a woman in a wheelchair threw cake on her to protest global warming and then just a few weeks ago on January 28th
2024 um two people from a food a food retaliation group who are protesting the
lack of like um good food around France and like around the world thre soup at her so people love doing that
that is so [ __ ] stupid continue throw stuff at her um but that is and then I
said this earlier but I want to say now they change the way you view it now because if you if you look up like visiting the Mona Lisa you'll see
pictures of like a sea of cell phones trying to take a picture of the mon Lisa and I think I put like a selfie of my
dad from like far away because I know he saw it but like um now it's a que and
you have 30 seconds to see it because like 80% of the people who visit the Lou are there to see the Mona Lisa like that's what they want to see and those
other like incredible things there um she is obviously insured um in 1962 she
was insured for $100 million which is the equivalent to about $1 billion today
so she has a$1 billion do insurance policy and her estimated price is $860
million not that they're ever going to sell it but like that's the you know I can estimation I can't wait for the day
we find out Jeff Bezos could have check for that well I don't know another thing you should see is Glass Onion because
there's an incredible Mona Lisa storyline in Glass Onion if you haven't seen that yet but is it a billionaire
yeah okay yeah yeah um so I won't spoil it but it's very fun um so yeah that
that's the dish on the Mona Lisa um one of probably the most famous painting in the whole entire world who's um became
Super Famous because she was stolen and she was missing for like three to four years and so
you've been there you've seen it um I haven't I haven't se it no I went to
Paris for a day and I didn't see it I've seen other leonardos like in Florence and I saw I saw the Last Supper in Milan but I have not seen them mon Al Lisa got
it got it okay yeah yeah I'm curious if people have seen it you know it's it's interesting like I I've seen the
pictures of people in that giant room in doing that and I was just like what are
we doing as a species like who like no I know and I think one like when I went to
the cinee chapel it was just so crowded and there were like all these French children yelling and I was like I hate
this you know like it was just like way too much and it's hard but it's hard to see those things today you have to find
something that you love that's not that popular see I mean and and the thing is the thing is like if you I mean I mean
there's people like like you with actual degrees in the stuff not that I know anything about it but like there's so
many people of the era that are incredibly talented and created incredibly you know intricate detailed
work and they like don't have the kind of brand recognition that like a da
Vinci or Michelangelo or whoever else has but yeah and I think I mean there'ss
I don't know I there's got to be like a real good reason why you know but like I feel like in um D Vinci's case like he's
such an interesting character you know you have this image of this like old man with this like long white hair and this long white beard like sketching
helicopters in the 1500s you know but that's the thing to me like the thing about the would draw me to it is that
kind of stuff it's like looking in his notebooks and seeing like wow this guy's like it's like getting a I think that's
why he's popular yeah yeah getting a window into like his mind but like the Mona Lisa itself I'm like this isn't
that like okay I understand it's a big deal but like I I spent part of your
conversation here looking at the last I was like this is incredible like this looks awesome like you just walk into a
church and see it that's so cool and so I don't know I don't know maybe I'm just being a contrarian for the sake of being
contrarian but I'm also like just I don't know like it doesn't seem like that a deal we know you hate Arts everyone no I don't hate art like that's
what I'm saying I'm saying like there's a lot of really great art that you can see that isn't this famous that
is as amazing yeah yeah um and it's art
is subjective and it always will be you know what do you think you tell me you have an art degree you're you're the
subject matter expert what do you think of the mon Lisa I mean I think it's beautiful I think that like I mean I I
can't believe that someone can make that out of paint I can do like two blobs of oil paint and like nothing like it's just it's incredible how layered and
detailed it is I'm also not going to spend my whole entire life trying to figure out what those Cliffs are you know there's people who have like
devoted their entire life to looking at the cliffs behind her in the painting and trying to figure out exactly what
Leonardo was trying to do cuz he painted it like in a studio you know right so
and like I love you know like my in-laws are hilarious and like they are retired semi-retired and so like there was a
verir painting where they had like removed a layer and found an angel that he had painted that he had painted over
and they like removed that layer and it was on display in dresed in so they went to go see it because they'd seen it before the restoration I'm like that's
super fun like good for you guys yeah so like there's always like I love like there's always stuff that like like
what's under this like is there like a painting underneath this can be like you know something better underneath it something that can tell us what he was
thinking it's just like it's it's it's mysterious and fun because I think
99.9999% of us can't do it so we're like I don't know how did he do
it you you said you were in the CIS Chapel right yes when you look at like
the paintings in the CIS Chaple like to me like those are like crazy realistic and like hyper detailed it's partially
because like everybody's naked so like you have to have a lot more detail but um but and also like I mean 16 Chapel
like I said doing the presco painting so [ __ ] hard and like I feel like just
harder than regular painting just because you're painting on the wet plaster it has you have to paint before it dries you have to like do all these
things and he did it like laying down on rafters it is high it's not like my
ceiling where I can be on like a a ladder to like I painted my ceiling with like a roller the other day and it was
exhausting you know he was like like a three-story Chapel he didn't like that's crazy crazy
talented and awesome yeah and totally like we seeing but but it's and it's just like again
like the thing that it's I can't get over as someone who loves art is when you are looking at it in person you're
like this is something I have seen so many times and reproduced so many times and then like I'm standing here in Milan
staring the last supper and like I'm exactly where Leonardo would have stood and been
like what I me to add you know whatever like whatever however he
talked yeah that's that's the part of it that like blows me away it's it's like the History part of it that like you're
they in front of which is why like now that I know that the last supper was is in a church like it feels a lot more
meaningful to like see it because you're like like to your point you're like holy [ __ ] like this guy was standing he came
in here probably like every day for like I don't know months or whatever how long it took and was just like having his tea
over here and then like it's you can put yourself in that whereas like I feel like the mon is hard to put
myself in that like now it's like now that you told me all this stuff I'm like it just seems to just attract crazy
people I know get down the news you know wait why do they throw the soup on
her to protest like food insecurity what does that mean just like that there's
not access to like fresh food in different parts of France and so they're protesting that which is like a real
thing to protest absolutely you know there's food insecurity and food deserts all over the world um where people don't
have access to to good food but you know if you want to bring attention to your
cause that's that's one way to do it I mean you're right don't do it you're right that is is definitely a way to
make sure people I mean we're talking about it right now exactly exactly so I mean and I I always am like you know
even like you know being in like I love the Met Museum in New York and and being in those places like like you're so
close to those paintings you know so there's something special about her that she needs to be behind all that glass
because people keep wanting to you know make a point I'm sure that
like the dude who thought he was in love with her is not the only person who thought he was in love with her I know Taylor if I ever call you and
say hey I'm going to the L because I found my wife uh just please please train me my chain me to the desk I will
yeah absolutely not but we can go to the lou and see it we should we should do that only two our France Taylor can you
do like a heist series can you do a series about the Boston Heist and like what Boston
Heist it was a some Museum in Boston and these PS have never been found and they
stole I forgot what they stole but like I remember like it was a really big deal
B The Gardener Museum F Heist F yeah yeah and they stole um
rier uh I don't know who this guy is I don't know Rembrandt um they sold a a
couple of REM Brands fun yeah I'll I'm gonna find more
because these are these you know I know they're thefts but they're fun thefts but you could break it out it
would be cool because you do like fun thefts and not so fun thefts like it would be interesting to also know like
what else has happened in war yeah that we don't know about like what did the Nazis steal what was destroyed like how
many of those churches were bombed that like had crazy art in them like totally
so much and like I think I mentioned this maybe before but when I was in college I interned at the Brooklyn Museum and it was like right after 911
so we were like you know prepping for D danger um and we thought that um you
know we're like What what will we do with the art so I went into like the archives and found the letters and all the places that we had put the art from
the Brooklyn Museum during World War II and it was really cool they like shipped it off to Long Island and like had added in someone's basement I think wasn't
there art hidden in the builtmore that we had when we went to the builtmore to Vis it they were like some big works of
art were kept here as well because it was like out of the way of a place that might be bombed by like the Nazis yeah
exactly yeah all that stuff was really fun be cool to do do something on that
yeah there was something else there that I wanted to touch on I told you blanking now but more
Heist yeah yeah if folks know Heist that'll be really cool um so anyways um
that's awesome thanks for sharing that Taylor um I'm going to go down a rabbit hole
about monisa Leonard Da Vinci and the whole host of others now so and art guys
more just fascinating like that part of like history is super interesting so um cool anything else to report before we
sign off um I just had a fun short conversation with our friend naen about taking down statues because of like you
know of people who we no longer want to celebrate and there was one that she was like we're not taking this down because
she lived in Canada and she was like cuz he wasn't a racist but I just think he was a drunk and we agreed that if we took down all of the statues of people
just cuz they were drunk so we don't have any statutes and we laugh um yeah yeah that's
funny probably true yeah and um yeah that's it let us know if you have any ideas like this one like [ __ ] you a good
heist let me know Doom toil pod gmail.com and we're at Doom toil on all
social media um and we will we'll see you there the lons of heist that'll be
fun too anyway okay yeah sorry do F pod right to us there's a ton of heist ideas we can't believe that Taylor Swift
is pregnant and her and TR are already married and that she's from the Super Bowl unbelievable unbelievable stuff I
hope you celebrate um Swift Kelsey day um yes and uh yeah we're really really
excited too so thank you um thanks tayor we'll go ahead and cut things [Music]