Doomed to Fail

Ep 9 - Part 2: Do as I say - The murders of Yaser Said

Episode Summary

This is another one that's too horrible to make any AI images of! Yaser Said moved to the United States from Egypt, but when his daughters, Amina and Sarah, turned out to be more American than he wanted (ie: they wanted to have phones and talk to boys) Yaser murdered them in cold blood. Then, he went on the run for nearly a decade! It's a tragic story in so many ways! Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/doomedtofailpod/   Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/doomedtofailpod   Youtube:  https://www.youtube.com/@doomedtofailpod  TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@doomed.to.fail.pod  Email: doomedtofailpod@gmail.com

Episode Notes

This is another one that's too horrible to make any AI images of! Yaser Said moved to the United States from Egypt, but when his daughters, Amina and Sarah, turned out to be more American than he wanted (ie: they wanted to have phones and talk to boys) Yaser murdered them in cold blood. Then, he went on the run for nearly a decade!

It's a tragic story in so many ways!

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Episode Transcription

Hi Friends! Our transcripts aren't perfect, but I wanted to make sure you had something - if you'd like an edited transcript, I'd be happy to prioritize one for you - please email doomedtofailpod@gmail.com - Thanks! - Taylor

 

hi friends today's re-release is actually very very sad um it's a story of Yasir SED an Egyptian man who moved

to the United States and was not happy with the lives that his daughters decided to live once they got here and

unfortunately it resulted in their deaths and it's just unbelievably sad so

if you're looking for a downer here we are um as a reminder we are re-releasing

our episodes this is episode 9 part two we have two more to go um for our twoe

break to be um completed and we thank you for your patience and we hope you enjoy listening to the stories kind of

in oneoff small bites so here without further Ado the story of Yasir SED and

let us know if you need anything Doom to f b gmail.com thanks California versus

orthal James Simpson case number ba09 and so my fellow

Americans ask not what your country can do for you ask what you can do for your

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country yeah I'm really glad you covered that one that was it's such an interesting story so I'm going to segue

us into the True Crime side of our doomed to fail stories so my story this

week elicits a lot of feelings for me um okay for one it starts as a story I can

totally resonate with if it wasn't clear by my name already to folks or general

appearance I'm Middle Eastern I'm Iranian specifically and my family immigrated to the United States when I was two years old so in

1986 for folks who don't know um Iran's history in the mid 70s onward was very

very turbulent and I'm not going to go down to history rabbit ho here Taylor like that's that's a you thing but um

it's important for the context of setting this up what was going on but the tldr is that Iran was basically a

secular country for most of its history it was a constitutional monarchy leading up to the revolution in

1979 with that Revolution the leadership and institutions that were ushered in were focused primarily around Islam

enforcing a strict moral code on people which is where we're at now so if you

follow the news even a little bit that's why women are approach testing why they can't go see soccer matches or why they

have to keep their hair in a I don't know what you call it the the hijab hij yeah yeah and then you know there's

constant protests that are immediately followed by executions because that's a kind of right but

also is dealing with his dog but it's not just um going to soccer games wearing the

hijab it's like they can't go to the doctor unless the doctor's a woman but also women can't be doctors so yeah yeah

it's it's you know I put this within the context so I could actually have folks

try to conceptualize what this actually means because that's how quickly things shifted in in Iran specifically was 79

it Happ like you are living one way again it's it was a secular country the shot there was no opes of religion there

so to put it in context imagine you're living your cool hip life in LA or New York going out with your friends meeting

people and then one day you have police telling you to stop holding hands with your partner that all the places that

you socialize are shut down like that's how Stark in different things ended up

being which is you know like again like I have a point to all this but think about what happens to those people who

are like no I'm not gonna live like that like all the cool people leave right

like all the ones who are not insane religious zealots leave because or well

then if the ones who have the opportunity to right they have the resour the ones that can so and that's exactly what my family

did right they were like mhm they made a decision that we do not want to be

religious zealots so we're going to leave and that's what we did and that's how we ended up in Texas so the reason

I'm bringing all of this up is because as I mentioned the start of this story resonates with me because it is about

someone trying to escape their home country for a better life but this story also enrages me

because of what one member of this family ends up doing okay I am going

to [ __ ] on religion a little bit on this we've never done that before fars that's

totally off character yeah it's totally off for me yeah it will be a th%

Justified every time I do it so I'm I'm I'm I'm GNA keep going on this rant because I'm like growled up

now and this has nothing to do with what's in the outline it's do if you come to the United States for a better

life because you're trying to escape things that are going on in your home country don't try to make this like your home

country right if you're already decided like I left something bad don't bring the bad with you yeah it has nothing to do with assimilation right like maintain

your language maintain your religion maintain your whatever but don't be the thing that you needed to escape for a

better life that's my general thesis to anybody who is you know over here from a

different country anyways whatever I'm I'm going to keep I'm GNA get into more rants later no totally I want to I want

to know because I'm also curious is like is that how hard is that to do well I I I actually do put that in

the outline I actually discuss a piece of this in the outline because I think that there's a point in time when you have to decide at at what point do you

have to diverge from your cultural understanding of the world and

there's going to come a point in time when this guy could have done it and he didn't do it um and I'm I'm I'm going to point that out I'm going to put put a

punctuation point on that so the person we're discussing is a guy named yaser Abdul

SED yaser is from Egypt and he came to the US at 26 years old uh he did it for

exactly the same reason anybody does it it's for opportunity uh specifically he was here to pursue higher education

because in those countries like it's I'm not going to keep going down that ramp like it is impossible to get like a decent education there if you're not

like the one .1% of smartest people in the country

basically yaser married an American woman named Patricia when he was 30 and

she was 15 which T we've learned a lot about oh no this

Dynamic how they meet I actually don't know how they met but I would say that

not at a bar not a bar tinder but I would say that um I discuss Patricia

sparingly here because I I mean I hate to be mean about it but like she just seems like a nothing like she just seems

like a nothing person like like just like an empty vessel basically sucks so

the two of them would go on and have three kids they have a son named Islam who was born in 1988 a daughter named

Amina born in 89 and another daughter named Sarah who was born in 90 so three

kids okay to say yaser was controlling is a bit of an understatement he had an

almost abnormal predilection to know exactly what his daughters were doing at any given point in time by all accounts

this Behavior did not extend to Islam he really didn't give a [ __ ] what the son was doing got it it's on person yeah yes

exactly uh and this is where my speculation is going to come a bit into play there aren't I've watched a lot of

news shows about what goes on here I've read a lot about it but it's not a super

meaty topic um people we don't go into a ton of details

about the inner workings of these this family or the news doesn't really go into the inner working of this family very much so there is going to be some

speculation here because again I feel a little bit like it's appropriate for me to talk on it given that it's a Easter

guy and I've like I'm we'll get into it so part of the speculation is I'm

assuming and I think correctly that part of why he really didn't care about Islam

the sun I'm just going to call him the sun son because it's confusing yeah versus a daughter is is really religion

it's cultural I think yaser came up in an Islamic household and in a country where

women just aren't seen as equal to men he doesn't have to keep tabs on the son because the son probably he in his mind

he knows what's up it's the girls you got to keep tabs on right per usual I hate making excuses for this type of

behavior but I feel like if you've lived in that environment for 26 years breaking that programming has to be hard

yes totally I ref that's what I was thinking yeah I referenced this a little bit earlier about like where that

Divergence happens I think in any situation a person who has been programmed by life or culture or

whatever it is comes to a certain point and then has to make a decision go with

the programming or break the cycle that that is an inflection point I think happens again as as an immigrant

like I can speak with some knowledge of that like there you reach a point where like uh this is what I know this is how

it was raised what do you do what what path do you take here yaser is going to

take the exact wrong path and we're going to see that happen here in a moment so going back to the two

daughters there were reports of abuse of course there was some physical abuse and

by some accounts sexual abuse as well I won't go into them but mostly it's

because that's not the interesting part of this story the interesting part is the extent to which yaser wanted to

control the daughters he almost sounds like a jealous ex-boyfriend

like he'd go you belong to me yeah yeah 100% he'd go through their phone he

would record them without their knowledge to see what they were talking about and in particular he had an

extreme aversion to them I mean really just growing up in dating boys that's

what it was yeah the latter part the dating Boys Part seems to be the biggest

trigger for yaser there were multiple stories and accounts of these um this

understanding that yaser was very violent can you hear that is your dog yeah I can kind of hear it but I barely

I don't think anyone's able to hear it they might think it's farts though it's heard that

feedback your brother is so wrong like if he Rel listens to it I don't even

know how you would make that sound that like the pitch of it is obviously the Yelp of a

dog you heard that you hear you hear that conade talking to you yeah

um so so like I said with with with yasto the trigger with him was really

like the girls and their relationship with with boys he did one of these gross old guy

things that was just all about like protecting the virtue of his daughters yeah there's one story about how when

Amina turned 16 yaser took her to Egypt to marry a friend of his which at this

point yaser's 48 so how old is this e friend who's marrying a

16-year-old also these girls were born in the United States they're born in Texas like right

they you know what I'm getting flashbacks to that family um the one with the dad who looks like Harry from

Dumb and Dumber where it's like where you have exposure to the real world and

then now you're going to Egypt to marry some guy and be in this like Islamic family like I don't know right it sounds

awful yeah obviously the more he pushed the girls in the way that he pushed them

the more he repelled them so Amina starts dating a boy she meets in a karate class they would have to use code

words and stuff to get around yaser's surveillance which just shows really the unflappable resolve of a teenage boy

dating a girl I know poor guy seriously poor guy at one point Yer suspected that

she was dating someone and beat the [ __ ] out of her to try and get her to tell her him the boy's name

she took the beating she refused to give the boy's name because she legitimately thought he would kill him if she did wow

yeah and again constant theme that I read over and over again was like yeah the mom thought that he was going to

kill them he was going to kill her like constantly it comes up over and over again the mom just yeah like she just

seemed like maybe to it resigned to it that that's probably the right I shouldn't

talk bad about her like I think that she was just so beaten down by this guy that she was just like whatever whatever

happens yeah why I mean like I don't I'm so sorry but I don't

understand why he's so mad because he wants to he wants them to just completely be controlled by him then

like why hav send them to school okay why sent her to Kate class so that so that's the thing like that's why I I

mean I hate to say this like I know this guy like I grew up with guys like this

um I'm not going to go into details because it'll be obvious to people who hear the story who know me like what I'm talking about but but there's something

about this cultural grip that when some people just can't handle it like it's

it's almost like a known thing when you come to America that like if you're from one of these countries it's almost known

that some people just can't take it that it's too much stimulation too much going

on I think that he just falls into this category I think I don't think that was like I'm so mad thing I think it's like

a I'm just out of my element thing totally yeah I definitely don't

understand that so I appreciate that perspective because I'm get yeah it's a thing it really is um so that

relationship with Amina progressed to the point where her and the boy actually got engaged which to me it's just cutesy

teenage [ __ ] he probably got her a ring out of one of those gumball machines you know by some accounts um that I actually

couldn't verify the other daughter Sarah had also started dating someone and also got secretly engaged to me the girls at

this point as I was reading this it sound like they were just trying to find any exit any way to yeah yeah and I'm

sure those boys were like very I don't know like Brave and like

comforting you know to be like we're gonna it's gonna be okay yeah of course um so I'm gonna take us on a bit of a

side quest here Taylor have you heard of the concept of honor killings before yes

I think that's when like a dad kills their daughter just stop her from doing something that would dishonor the family

like job that that that's roughly it so I I I did put a little bit of facts together here so I did a bit of research

on this and several things I found will probably shock no one again I'm not

trying to [ __ ] on religion or the ethnicity but obviously this is something that happens in Middle Eastern

cultures like I don't that's not Prejudice or racist for me to say that is actually what ends up happening so I

remember Taylor when I was around 16 years old I found this book at the library I used to actually read that was called the

stoning of sah M and because it was um framed as like a Iranian book it was it

is it's about an Iranian woman I picked it up because I was just like trying to learn more about like Iran and what goes

on there and I was 16 and I thought okay let's see what this is all about it's the true story of a woman named sah in a

village in Iran whose husband wanted to marry someone new but didn't want to return her Dowry or or support two

families at the same time so he spread a rumor that she was having an affair so the village and her own family would

agree to kill her by stoning her to death that's exactly what happened to amoin yeah exactly he wanted to marry

someone else yes so he accused her of having an affair and had her killed yeah con I guess I guess this is

more common than it probably should be I put this part in I literally wrote this is for Juan because he asked for more

gruesomeness so in a stoning what ends up happening is the victim is buried in the ground up to their neck and people

just take turns throwing stones at their head oh my God in siah's case it was

documented that her father had to start the process he was the first one to throw the

stone followed by her son and then followed by the guy they made up the

story about that she was cheating on her husband with he didn't get killed like that guy was fine but he did have to

also throw rocks to This Woman's head but they like knew that it was a lie the

husband knew was a lie and the this guy knew was a lie yeah yeah but apparently when it was his turn uh he was supposed

to throw a few and I guess he threw one and he just picked up the other Stone and was disgusted and just threw it away and walked away he just couldn't do it

oh How brave I yeah so super awful story

and also surprisingly not uncommon the vast majority of honor killings are women and girls as you stated with the

exception of men really being homosexuality or if they're caugh you know dling a kid or a family member or

something like that the UN estimates that about 5,000 of these killings occur

annually and as the name implies and as you also mentioned the killing is meant

as a way to restore the family name when someone is perceived to have Dishonored it

so I did a lot more research on this don't need to go into details the one thing I would note is that the Quran

actually itself does not reference or bring up the concept of death for the sake of Honor

so it is what it is it's it's a weird thing because I feel like there's no like in my family there's no like

dishonor of the family thing you know like I just not something that we like think

of look look I can I can feel this even from my perspective of like you know

having to be a doctor or a lawyer or an engineer like it's it's like it's it's a know like if you weren't then that is a

dishonorable like it's a thing it really is totally so going back to our story

these girls are basically constantly plotting their escape with the boyfriends why they're getting engaged anyways and yasur is a constant Terror

to be around and on January 1 2008 he tells the girls to get into the taxi cab

he drives for work so that they can all go get someone to eat by all accounts they do not want to

do this they they are terrified of this guy at this point M he drives them to a

parking lot of a hotel in a part of Dallas which I'm actually like really really familiar with my mom used to work like right here it's called um it's this

part of D is called Lo kinus and he parked his cab at the Omni Hotel there after which he promptly turned to

the girls who were in the back seat and shot them oh Amina died scared yeah

Amina died yeah I actually talked about that here in a sec Amina died instantly

Sarah actually lived long enough to call the police call 911 and explicitly said that her dad shot her oh my God in total

he shot off 11 bullets wow which like in the in the back seat of a car yeah I

mean I've been gun shooting and I've had like the headphones on it is deafening

with that situation much less in the in a inside of a car so like I said Amina died right away

it was actually Sarah who took the brunt of it because he how old how old were they oh I should know that I don't know

hold on so this happened this happened in 2008 Amina was 89 and Sarah was 90 so

Sarah Sarah would have been 18 uh yeah Sarah would have been 18 and Amina would have

been two year or a year older than that so 19 okay yeah okay so like I said

Amina died right away it was Sarah who took the brunt she took nine shots and then also survived for a little bit

going back to my side quest um this is classic honor killing to the te it's

actually how the police also defined it he did this because the girls were dating American boys and he couldn't handle it because in his mind and based

on his behavior they were his property and he chose who they should be married to which right again was like a mid 40s

man in Egypt e and when I you want them to live in Egypt

yeah after even though after he left yeah which like I mean to to his credit

good for self-awareness of knowing that you probably don't belong living here like it's this is not your

Vibe so when I said earlier that there's an inflection point whether you go to

your programming or you alternate this is that moment this is

the time when you decide upon self-reflection my I got to find a way

to be cool my daughter's dating these guys and move Beyond it or go to my

programming my programm is tell me got to kill them that was the decision point that he chose to go this route which

again I would say in any situation most people come to this country IM in immigrant capacity you probably experienced that in a much less severe

way but it is it is relatively common yeah that makes sense so like I said

this all happened at the very very start it was Jan one of 2008 from that day

until August of 2017 so just shy of 10 years no nobody heard or saw anything of

yaser what yeah he just kind of vanished they actually thought that he went back to Egypt but they couldn't find any

records of it he walked away from the car he got out of the car after he shot them and poof that was it wow yaser also

has the unique distinction of having been placed on the FBI's 10 most wanted list in

2014 wow yeah I actually used the way back machine to figure out who else he

was on the list with which is like yeah he was on the list with some crazy crazy people he was on a list with this guy

who was a cartel guy who was like a captain in some cartel like he was big enough to where he was one of those guys

who would like get plastic surgery done in his face so that nobody could recognize him which is insane insane

level of like n there was another guy who was on the list who killed his wife killed his two kids then blew up their

house that they lived in in Scottsdale which oh my God I mean don't do that again but good like the flare for

theatrics is kind of appreciated but my favorite guy that he's on the list with is this guy named

semian movich who the US government describes as the most powerful and dangerous

gangster in the world he's basically the head of the Russian mafia that cool

that's terrible but no it actually is super cool you should read this guy's Wikipedia page his aliases alone are

like several paragraphs long what's his name again I'm going to type in down semian is s m IO n oh he came right away

semian movich criminal it says yeah nice okay I'll read this when we're done it

is his life is so I I I wrote this I wrote this that at some point if we ever start covering just like random people

that we find interesting I 100% I'm going to do this guy because it is like

he sounds like a fictional John Woo character like he sounds like he belongs to all the wick movies it's a it's

fascinating so okay but but just so everybody knows like that's the caliber

of people that he's on this list with in 2014 wow so going back to yaser in 2014

his dumbass son rents an apartment in his own name in Texas the son was

obviously trying to protect his dad so when police showed up to interview is I I wrote Islam but I'm just going to call

him the son because it's confusing they show up to interview with the son he was just very defensive un Cooperative so had mentioned that they saw a figure

inside this house because everybody's looking for this guy they've been looking for for like 10 years at this point right and it makes sense that he

would still talk to his son because he like care of the son yeah yeah 100% the son was protecting him throughout this

whole thing a dick so police show up talk to him the son gives them nothing

overnight whoever was in that apartment disappeared they the FBI showed up the

next day they broke in and they just nobody was there the FBI found a pair of eyeglasses and they used this thing

called DNA kinship analysis which means they built a DNA profile of yaser by

like reverse engineering it so essentially they took dried blood from the girls which they had they took an

oral swab of Patricia which they had and they created a DNA profile of yaser and

they conclusively determined that eyeglasses were his so they knew he was in the area they knew that someone was

protecting him so that's a a lot of information go ahead sorry no how but

how how did you get d from your glasses I guess like maybe if there's like a thing of hair or dandruff on there I

don't know I don't know yeah I don't know how any of this works this happens but then nothing happens again it'll be

another six years before authorities catch wind of where these guys are again and they see Islam again the son and his

un just name your kids something different like Christians Islams like yeah the Christian I feel like we we

accept that as being a name but when you like think about it more than 4 seconds you're like that's a weird ass name yeah

like I'm not going to name my son Protestant boy like yeah why why why are we anyways whatever doesn't matter no no

totally um they spot the son with his uncle so yaser's brother is also a part

of this Dynamic and helping them out and they're going in and out of a house and um a part of town called

Louisville the FBI gets a warrant and enters the house they find and finally

arrest yaser wow they also arrest the brother or sorry the son and yaser's

brother the same day for a aiding in betting a fugitive yaser went on trial actually just last year it's very recent

wow this all happened in 2008 he just went on trial a year ago wow his

absolutely inscrutable defense is that someone was threatening him and his daughters in the cab that day and so he

parked the cab and walked away leaving his daughters alone with this person who was a threat to them because he thought

that the guy was after him and not the daughters that that was his argument that's his

defense that the guy would like follow him yeah the guy would follow him and not the daughters oh my God that's dumb

and not true yeah the jury took three hours to deliberate which I'm shocked at

this be like I was like I wrote down they must have had like a two and a half hour lunch break and that counted as

part of the deliberation like I have no idea how this would take you three hours to figure out so yoser unsurprisingly

gets life a life sentence without the possibility of PL he's in carway to this place that sounds really Charming it's

called be County it's very very very nice name yaser's son also gets 7even

years and his brother gets 12 years and they arguably got it a little bit worse

since they're actually in federal prison huh there goes that he took out a lot of people down with him I

wna Circle back to the topic of our show and what it means here and what it means

again to me personally like I said before I'm I grew up with guys like this like I understand guys like this and

like I said I can literally think of three men off the top of my head that obviously didn't take it this far but

were in need of control and possession more than would be acceptable in modern

society and I wrote down here you know all this is culturally informed while

living in a culture that doesn't adhere to those beliefs which I think is where that Jos happens in someone's mind which

is like how do I reconcile that I would say this if you're dating someone whose

background is historically on the extreme conservative side of things pay attention to things if a guy tells you

what to wear how to act that's not something that's going to wash away by you asking him to chill that's

entrenched programming it's not look this is like look I've been framing this

as like a middle eastern thing it's not even really that like it's think about the entire middle of this country think about the hardcore conservative guys who

I mean those are also a demographic like this that don't want women to show their faces right so I don't know I would just

say like again going back to the topic of this show like pay attention to this stuff like it's it has consequences

obviously Patricia divorced him in 2009 after the murders but like wow whatever

like she didn't really help her daughters she can really protect them and I don't think she really had the wherewithal to do that

anyways mhm so yeah and like yeah there's like a weird thing in in like

conservative Christianity where there's like the Purity thing with your dad where you like so weird you know go like

a purity ball and like promise to remain pure into your married which is so stupid and like not real um it's so

creepy I so again like I was raised in Texas and like I knew kids growing up

where like they're going to a dance with their dads to talk

it's all sent around your virginity like it yeah you not think that's weird so

weird anyways yeah it's so weird it's weird to think that much about your yeah

it's weird I don't I don't know and I think it but I think it goes back to something that we said a bunch is like

controlling women whatever reason you feel like you have to yeah controlling

other people yeah yeah so that's my story luckily guy's in jail he's going

to be in jail for the rest of his life um I went down so many side quests on

this one what was the what's the is the doomed part the trying to move your culture into another

culture it's so much of it like it's it's it's just go back to Egypt man like

yeah just go back to Egypt like you'll find a nice girl there you'll get married and she won't show her face like

I just she'll your kids will adopt that as their personas like I

don't know why you have to do that here

MH so that's a part of it and the other part is obviously the marish of Patricia

where again I don't I don't I'm going to sing a Swan Swan Song for her but she sounds like she just had literally no

power control to do anything and I think that's the age difference I think that

some people frame their culture as this incredibly incredibly important thing I remember had this conversation so at

this friend I'm not going to bring up exactly how I know him because again it's going to give up too many details but at this

friend he's a white guy um and him and his girlfriend went to Spain and they

went to like the bull show the running of the bulls right uhhuh and they recorded this and they played me this

video of it and they were just like we just have to honor their culture I'm

like no you don't this is [ __ ] Savage this is like [ __ ] their culture like

this whole excuse of like it's my culture I'm so vehemently against that

because like culture just because you were raised in a certain way doesn't mean that's how it should be basically

right totally and so yeah I think like in this case it's like I think that part of it is Patricia

was again trying to be super chill and was like I'm not raised in a very

in-depth culture so I don't know how it is so this must be how it is it's like yeah you can also call that out you can also be like yeah actually [ __ ] that

part of your culture it's stupid we should abandon that yeah but that's like there's so so many people who are so

like violently obsessed with their culture which is like all this stuff is happening in the Middle East right now

because they're like this is and like who's to say like there's like a I don't want to say like who's right and who's

wrong but I also want to be like I do believe it's wrong to not let women outside there's a thing that um Iranians

do that I am going going to the Next Generation I'm going to change the tide

of us doing this completely It's called Toro thing which is you constantly are trying to like get

people to like you're trying to offer them things in a way that's just

absolutely annoying like imagine sitting at a dinner table and every two minutes

your grandma or a relative it's just like have you tried that salad it's really good you should try that salad

I'm okay like two minutes later have you tried that it's should really good you it's like what just leave me alone or or

the worst is when you go out to dinner and it's just like everybody just like tries to shove their credit card at the

waiter and like I stopped even trying when I'm in those situations like dude whatever like take it like it's fine

like I'm not even like if this is how you want to live like we could just split it we just have be normal people and split but but whatever let them pay

that's a cultural thing that Iranians do just absolutely drive me nuts so anyways um yeah that's s well that was terrible

those poor girls yeah no kidding they boyfriends they had no idea what they were signing up for I know that's that's

a lot like for those those they were just kids and probably like you know loved their cute little girlfriends who

were just like they're just normal you know they could have been like I don't know cute little happy and also Patricia

is white yeah which I feel like I just I'm finding on Google and so like yeah they

it wasn't like I don't know that's too bad that's really sad and it's

definitely like I wonder what he did for those years that he's on the Run yeah

yeah I think his son support him his brother support him I have no idea and what a way to like I I know that we've

we've definitely talked about the hot take of don't kill your family hot take don't kill your family but you can also

like you said freaking leave them yeah just leave them you will also never talk to them again just just go go somewhere

else go to Egypt like you said like just leave so many people so many people have

multiple families just have your family here you got it out of your system who

cares leave them go to Egypt leave them yeah you can pretend they're dead say they're dead to me get out of here who

cares you know but they don't have to actually kill them I feel like we're just like we're just like therapists for psychopaths at this point I just I mean

we have so many good ideas which are like don't kill people have you worked don't believe in Wizards have you worked

are not the wi to the soul have you wor disagreed have you worked more on your um dating app for widows yet no Widow

Widow oron you um no but I think it still is a top priority for me because I

think it's it's it's a gold mine widows I'm how

many widows how many widows are there in the world in their 20s are there in the

US love and loss no older adults what percentage of widows are under 40 oh 5%

okay that's not great not great yeah we're not going to we're not my MooMoo idea was the right idea that's what we

actually should have done fine okay this is maybe my second second plan is it my

widower won't you but yeah I mean I think also like there's a lot of people

in the world so go find someone else if you feel like killing your partner no big deal there

yeah yeah I'm a I think I've shown that I'm a firm staunch supporter of not murdering

Partners um um can you also when you when we when we're done listen to the

the Disco hit the rest the rest Putin where it goes ra ra routine have you heard that song no we we look I'll put

that in the in some notes as well because you should listen to that after love it um cool well that's our story

Taylor thanks for sharing yours um yeah thank you hopefully you have a lovely

weekend in Joshua Tree thank you you too and um I will yeah thank you everyone

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