Doomed to Fail

Ep 96 - Doomed to Sink: The Olympic Class Ships of The White Star Line

Episode Summary

Even though Farz DID watch Titanic this weekend, he focuses this week on the two other totally doomed ships that were built simultaneously. White Star's Olympic and Britannic - part of the "Olympic Class' of ships, these monsters were supposed to revolutionize travel and make White Star a ton of money. They did neither. A war full of U-boats, rising prices, cutting corners, and things being in the way of a giant ship led to disaster again and again.

Episode Notes

Even though Farz DID watch Titanic this weekend, he focuses this week on the two other totally doomed ships that were built simultaneously. White Star's Olympic and Britannic - part of the "Olympic Class' of ships, these monsters were supposed to revolutionize travel and make White Star a ton of money. They did neither. A war full of U-boats, rising prices, cutting corners, and things being in the way of a giant ship led to disaster again and again. 

Episode Transcription

Hi Friends! Our transcripts aren't perfect, but I wanted to make sure you had something - if you'd like an edited transcript, I'd be happy to prioritize one for you - please email doomedtofailpod@gmail.com - Thanks! - Taylor

 

we are off Taylor how are you I'm good how are you I am good I'm going to do something I never do which is I'm G to

introduce the show um instead of forgetting uh we are doomed to fail I'm

fars joined here by Taylor who just did a trip little round trip from where she's at to Los Angeles to see the

amazing Dan Carlin Taylor how how is Dan

incredible I am still like my face is very pink from yesterday playing

baseball all day but um it was a literally a blur I like went with my

friend Nicole I got like five we had dinner and then we went down it was in

Downtown LA which you know I would avoid if I could at any cost but I would go for Dan Carlin and a beautiful theater

down there don't worry not down there and um it was hilarious it was

like 95% dudes and they all looked exactly the

same Nicole was like everyone here seems familiar I was like they exactly the same Nicole it's just like the just

exactly who you think and it was great and um the show was great it was two hours of Dan just like talking to

another guy about the the future about AI about how we can use history to talk about the past about the different

things you know just like a conversation um and then I asked him a question PR of everybody I said Taylor from Doom to

fail podcast I was wearing my Doom to fail shirt Nicole and I put the stickers everywhere um not like stuck to things

but like around um oh my gosh and then it was it was so fun and then afterwards we went to the bar next door and then he

came to the bar next door and I like this is like several glasses of

wine made me do this but I like jumped up and like went to his table and I like put my hand on his back and I was like Dad I'm so sorry but I'm just so excited

he goes oh you you us the 911 question I was like I did that's 911 question um and then we talked for a little bit about like history and our kids and I

gave him our sticker and he said I'll check it out and it was just amazing did you get a picture no he was like at a

table with like four other people and I just like bothered him um what was your question um well I

asked about um things that are happening now that are going to be history later so he had

talked about like like you know the Bay of Pigs and things that were happening

in like the early 1900s SL like ancient history and I was like what about stuff like because you talk about 911 kind of

in the same category as those things as a major historical event but I'm here with my friend Nicole and we were there

together so Nicole and I couldn't go home for a couple weeks because we left our house after the second plane hit the

second tower so like what do how like what what am I supposed to do to make sure that my part of History like is

remembered the way I wanted to how do what do I do about that and so he you know he was like well we should learn

from you and from people who were there and it was just very nice and it was very exciting so recommendation go see Dan

Carin if you can live I mean duh I wouldn't say not to do that so is it it

was an interview son yeah yeah okay I have no idea who the other guy was he

introduced himself they had known each other for a while another dude but um Nicole and I were like we should go to

the bathroom there's not going to be a line like that never happens for ladies

at events so it was funny it was wonderful yeah nice nice so I don't know

so we'll see we met a guy at the at the bar afterwards and he was like oh yeah he was like I was going to check your podcast after you talked and I was like

great I don't know thought that might be fun so hopefully we get a couple more listeners from it too because I know

those people would like it all of the the Dan Carlin fans I mean were like 0%

of Dan Carlin in in a thing you know what I mean like we reference him a

exactly exactly like if you like Dan Carin but are kind of dumb come on over you know you know

Taylor you were doing so good at the marketing until that that line I just I don't want anybody to think that I'm

like comparing our show Dan Carin Jo because that would be ridiculous now I'm actually very hot and I don't know where

I put my Pan um but no it it was just it was very very fun and I have not recovered well that is a great way to

spend a Thursday night so it is you drove back Thursday night or back Friday Friday morning and um I got home by like

9:30 but I left really early yeah you probably have to um cool well that

sounds that's very very exciting it's very exciting than than my week last week I did not see Dan Carlin um so that

be that'd be real [ __ ] up if you were there and you didn't say hi to me if I stood up to him was like I'm for

from doing to fil like do you guys know each other or something I'm far as also from doing and you're also wear in t-shirt with both of our faces on it

I don't know her um just totally different person um

sweet well let's go ahead and dive in uh I think I go first today is that right

yes okay are you using your cell phone to Fan yourself with I am I should get

like an actual fan I should have put my fan on um I would use just my cell phone case to Fan my face with I think all to

put on screen it was I spent a lot of time outside yesterday keep going wait put what on screen I need to put on

sunscreen cuz yesterday I had two baseball games you know for the kids and it was so windy I had like dirt in my

teeth it was just like the windiest day they were like we had to stop a game because of a tumble weed like that's how

windy it was I mean you got to love you of the South I do recall driving around when I was living in Leck and seeing

tumble weed cross the street like in old western and I was like that's kind of fun yeah they're everywhere so it was

fun but yes go ahead tell me a story I so so I'm going to cover a really kind

of like interesting old timey fun doomed def fail concept um it is the most Stell

concept I can possibly imagine um it is going to it it has to do with a line of

ships from the olden era that were all essentially doomed to fail I'm Olden era

Olden era that that's that an era it's olden times era all right keep going I'm

covering the white white Starline Olympic class of shifts but I'm not going to cover the most famous one

because that one's to death so who cares um so mostly covering the other two but

like whatever we want to talk about the most famous one we certainly can't obviously everybody knows that the most famous one is a Titanic but I'm going to

basically focusing on the rest of them because they're all kind of in the same class of just like doomed vessels um and

pretty one of them Lucitania is that one of them nope okay lucania is going to

come up but not in this context we should do that someone should do that one sometime CU that one's real good

yeah yeah so wait wait can I guess their names one of them the Olympic yes yes

what's the other one is it the one that found the Titanic the Carpathia or no no

okay can you have a hint like um we when we were kids people would

sell encyclopedias that there you go I mean that was easy

but yes well it was banic but the books are Botanica yes close enough same same

okay all right fine I'm opening a reot beer go for that's is keep going so

we're covering the limit class of ships basically these are like classifications when when ships are being designed and built you don't build a one of a kind

you create like a template like an archetype and then you build them to that spec based on the type of ship you're trying to create

and for the White Star Line that was the Olympic class of ships so there's three

of them we're going to get into that in a minute and your ship is about to come up as well so in 1906 uh White Star

Line's biggest competitor was a shipping company also a British one called Cunard

line and they had launched some Flagship vessels called the morania and the

Lucitania which you just referen um at the time when they launched they

basically took the rain as being the fastest and most luxurious ships across the Atlantic and at the time the White

Star Line had four ships known as the big four all of which were pretty young

they were only a few years old at this time the oldest one was about five years old and it was called the Celtic the

youngest sh actually launched a year after the mortanian lucania launch that was called the um the Adriatic that

launched in 1907 but because this new round of ships were coming out this new class from kunard White star wanted to

compete and have the biggest best fastest most luxurious safest ships possible and so they went to their ship

Builder a company that is still in operation today called Harland and wolf in Belfast Ireland and asked them to

come up with a concept they came up with this class of

ships the original Three Ships that were part of this class were in ascending

order when they launched the RMS Olympic in 1910 the Ms Titanic which we all know

in 1911 the HMHS branic in 1914 those

are the three class of ships okay I think you're I think I know what you're G to

ask well well you just said through classes are those just three ships or no yeah it was three they're all the

Olympic class ships and those are the three that fit into it wa there four did you see there no there no there was so

what happened was I'm going to go into this but white star basically like the whole concept of doing

transatlantic movements of people by a massive ships stopped being relevant and

so no additional plans were made for for more more ships in this class what I

thought you might ask me was what is RMS and HMHS me because I had no idea what that meant so uh is it Royal Majesty

ship Royal maip Majesty ship Royal Mail ship okay yeah so RMS is worldy mail

ship which means that it carried mail and HMHS is his Majesty's hospital ship

and apparently you should only have those designations when you're doing those things when you're not doing those

things you're supposed to go by SS which would which stood for screw

steamer okay but the same thing but like if I'm I'm a Titanic and I have a letter in my pocket am I a

mhip you might need more than one letter but could be okay um yeah so it didn't

get it didn't get there so the term screw is just like it it's it means it's

a prop engine and it's a steamer it's steam power that's basically the only point oh I've I've seen the engines

you've seen what those you know the one when the guy falls on the propeller it's Titanic Taylor I'm gonna admit something

I actually stayed home last night and watched Titanic Oh my god did you I'm never going to watch it again I don't

have emotional capacity but um how what did you think I I fast forwarded all the

like sappy stuff because I really that I wasn't there for the sappy stuff I was there for the trash

day have you seen the the have you seen the things where you know he when he shows her his like

Sketchbook like the ladies but like where they and like Instagram they'll like cut it and it'll be like Pokemon

cards I'm not or like or like a drawing of someone doing that like s that like all the kids draw you know forget and

she's like yay and he's like real proud of himself the chain link 's yeah oh my

gosh no it was it was it was fun to rewatch but then like the other thing I noticed is that so much of the movie was

CGI obviously it probably I mean it had to be you don't you didn't notice it when you were like younger watching it

and now you watch it it's like so obviously like bad but yeah they did the

best they could so we I mean yeah yeah

of course you won every award yeah so much damage emotional

damage uh so the Olympic I'm going to start with the Olympics I'm going to go in like ascending order so the Olympic

had the longest life of all the Olympic class trips going into service in 1911 and retiring in 1935 with 24 year with a

24e service cycle one thing I learned because I actually looked up a ton of other ships because every time you start

researching this stuff it leads you to like the card line of ships what was Germany doing what was Amer doing and

all this it was weird all these Steamers had these like crazy low lifespans like

you would assume if you spend right the equivalent of hundreds of millions of dollars on these things they would have

to live for many multiples of decades most of them didn't most them like 24

years was kind of like it like that was like you were lucky to get 24 years out of one of these things which is kind of surprising but there you have it uh

Olympic and Titanic they were actually built side by side in that Belfast um should be coming yard and Olympic

actually finished first and almost immediately started having accidents like I don't know what was going

what funeral ground or grave site this this thing was built on but immediately they sted having accidents there so I

have a thousand questions can I raise my hand I'm so sorry you're gonna regret no no please um are you gonna go into

conspiracy theories about the Olympic and the Titanic no I'm not going into that so I app that maybe they were

switched because the um Olympic was like falling part so they switched it and pretended it was a Titanic cuz they knew

it wasn't going to make it one two this isn't a conspiracy theory this

is question number two how do you make a ship that big what's what do you start

with like the outline so you start yeah you start with laying the Keel which is

like the one through line the backbone of the ship the thing that kind of breaks in half when Titanic breaks for

example that's it's held together by the KE and then the KE eventually as well you start there and then you build it

from the hull Hall Inward and so what happens usually is once the thing is

built up with the B bones and the scaffolding of it you can take it out of dry dock and start assembling it because

at that point it can float and that's when you start fitting it with all its luxury stuff on the interior that's kind

of the the way they did it back then at least Also earlier it's overwhelming to

me to build like pieces of it obviously that's not my job even close so so what

what was I learned a little bit about this so like when they got this commission to build these ships they had

to they basically have to like redo their entire construction methods

because every ship Is Bigger Than The Last Ship so the dry dog for example you had originally would have to be

destroyed and a new Dry Dock would have to be built that would accommodate it was wild it was like whole thing like a

new company was basically being created or new process was being created every time a new ship was being commissioned

so what is the their kunard lines is that what you said or no white star Whit star so what

is Whit star do they just pay for it Whit star is the operator yeah that

mean so Whit star is the company that sells the tickets that staffs the employ

staffs the ship and does all that they are the operator like it's like American Airlines oh that totally makes sense

because I'm also I think I'm also really really frustrated because I'm about to take an American Airlines Boeing plight to Japan and I am going to need to be

stated I mean I just did too I just I got back from Charleston like two two

nights ago and I was on a Boeing plane and was like I'm just gonna I'm just going to

listen to them when they tell me to keep my seat belt on like but that but that totally makes

sense and I get it thank you for answering that question for me you are not totally off about that first

conspiracy theory though so sort of so like a lightweight version of it like a

diet version of it so um what happened was immediately after Olympic was launched it started having these

accidents so that and all of them are actually tied to Titanic in some way so for example his first accident was it

was going through this straight in the UK and another ship was

docked alongside this great and given the size of Olympic its draft and its

weight was enough to snap the line holding that ship in place and the bow

of that ship collided with Olympic and it was bad like I looked at pictures of

this like that ship was very very badly damaged um it's called the hawk if you want to look it up um and the the the

Olympics stayed afloat go ahead have you ever seen a boat

launching yeah crazy the thing they just like hope for the best yeah so they

actually big thing I forgot what it was it was like they used like 200,000 tons

of like lard and like oil to like launch Titanic or something I forgot what it was like it took a lot of grease and

stuff to get it out out to actually Open Water um but the point being that when

Olympic had this Collision it had to be sent back to be repaired in Belfast and

that took eight weeks and because they were Des trying to get this thing operational because every day the

thing's in dry duck it's losing money right it's not R generating sure and so they're like do this thing as fast as

possible Titanic was still a ways from launching and they're like just scrp take the parts from Titanic and use them

to rebuild Olympic and so that's what they did so they have like pieces of each other probably exactly in real life

yeah the hawk is is is [ __ ] up it got it got crushed yeah so that all happened

in on November 20th um when November 20th 1911 is one Olympic returned back to service it only took 3 months for her

to have another accident and I mean this case wasn't an accident more like something went wrong basically it lost his propeller blade in the ocean and at

that point they had to return it back to the Builder and again scavenge parts from the Titanic so ultimately what

ended up happening was this delayed the inaugural Voyage of Titanic by about three weeks which made it colder no we

should would have made it warmer was going to the summer well if you about it in terms of like time and space maybe

that Iceberg would have been there yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah I mean yeah 100% I

mean yes 100% it would not have been there it's almost impossible I don't know do ice move that fast or they

wouldn't have been it wouldn't have happened in three weeks I think the ice probably would have moved in three weeks

I don't know how fast icebergs move I'm not gonna look it up because that's not what we're talking about that is not what we're talking about later okay so

in 1915 at the height of World War I she was retrofitted from Pastor service to military uh usage with the addition of

deck guns and also it would original capacity was somewhere around 3,000 pastur it expanded to 6,000 soldiers so

they basically did away with all the pretty stuff and was like yeah yeah like

none of the niceties need to be there in 1919 she encountered a German ubot and rammed it apparently this ubot was

lining up to try and attack it and torpedo it and the ship accelerated into it and tore a massive Hull into the side

of this ubo the crew ended up scuttling it and abandoning abandoning the the

ship uh nine people were killed nine of the crew were killed on that one 31 were saved when a US vessel spotted their

distress signal I don't know what the situation was but I guess Bren was was taking no Nazi uh or they weren't Nazis

back then I guess they were taking no German survivors at that time wait so no one on the Olympic

died yeah no this is all yo people all the Y yeah so the Olympic yeah they it hit

this thing knew it hit it knew that it was scuttling itself and it just kept going like screw it whoever finds you

finds you um so this actually gives the Olympic the distinction of being the

only civilian vessel to ever sink a ubo during the war which is kind of cool so

for fun for the Olympic uh in 1918 the war ended and it was uh the Olympic was

returned back to commercial service it was restored it was able to carry pastures again look pretty again um it's

interesting because there's some things that if you look at on the Titanic it's actually not the Titanic it's the

Olympics so any any pictures you see okay then keep going that I think that's

like the windows and stuff yeah yeah that that's part of the conspiracy so like for example if you were to see the

grand staircase the Titanic's like coolest feature I guess or one of the most talked about features I know we've

all seen that movie we've all seen it um I'm G to have such tanic nightmares and the nightmares

aren't going to be be about Titanic they're going to be about my life in the

9s in the90s hly I can't even talk about it it like mess mess with my brain yeah keep

going um but for example the grand stas pictures you see of Titanic those actually aren't Titanic those are all

Olympic so they were very very similar in that regard and that's part of where your conspiracy theory that you

originated comes from I might as well have um kidding so this thing goes into

Pastor commercial use again in 1918 in later years basically what ended up happening was that the Great Depression

hit uh the need and desire for luxury travel was diminished and also the need

and want to travel to the United States in general was kind of diminished that was also around the time when the US

passed um additional limitations on the number of uh immigrants it would accept

into the country and so as a result less and less people were wanting to even go there so that gradually led to a decline in

service I forgot what year it was I didn't write it down but it was something around like the preceding three or four years before they decided

to give it up on Olympic uh it had not turned a profit like basically was

losing money every every time it operated essentially in 1934 under pressure from

the British government White Star Line and card merged to form card white star

and basically they joined forces because both of them were running low on money because of all the issues that I mentioned above and white kunar already

laid the Keel in the hull for the Queen Mary and the Queen Elizabeth but couldn't afford to finish it and the

British government was like we're not going to fund this y all definitely need to stay in business so merge and we'll help facilitate um that merger to assist

you to complete these ships and so that was basically what they did uh ultimately uh the Olympic was

sold for 97,000 which is is the equivalent of 88.2 million pounds today which feels

super low yeah was it like full stuff yeah yeah you just sold it the way

it was yeah and um basically what ended up happening was that because of the

economic downturn that happened after the war uh this was purchased by a lord or Baron or whatever like some one of

those guys some rich guy and uh he transported it to this city that was

specifically having like significant economic issues so that the he could hire the citizens of the city to

basically scrap it and so that's what he did um the city was called jarro and he brought it to jarro and basically hired

this massive staff of people to discard this thing and scrap it how do you do that how do you start with that that's

another question I have because remember how we've talked about like older ships how they just like leave them on the beach yeah you know like I mean where do

you start with that like I'm going to take out the carpet I guess and then they take out the doors I I bet you

given the fact that a lot of the Olympic the r inter interior fittings of it

ended up uh so right now there's places you can go and see parts of the Olympic so for example there's a celebrity

cruise ship that has an olympic cafe and the sightings and the panelings of this

room that this Cafe is in that's all pulled out from the Olympic and so

that's what they did they basically went in room by room took pieces of it out and then sold those to anybody who

wanted like this beautiful luxury fitting and then the metal you just basically pull apart across the rivets

and self for scrap metal that's basically it so one terrifying and also fun fact

about the Olympic so in 1929 it was traveling over the exact last known location of the Titanic you know that

route is very well traveled like there's I looked at on like that's where all the ships go it's the exact same route and

it was right over the lastone location of Titanic when it started shuttering violently for about 2 minutes scaring

the absolute living [ __ ] out of everybody um yeah that's ghosts that's 100% ghosts literally wrote

unfortunately it wasn't ghosts I don't believe you I have it right here in the outline nope it was ghosts um no I

believe that you wrote that but I don't believe that it's not ghosts unfortunately what actually ended up

happening was a massive 7.2 magnitude earthquake had struck about 400 miles away from this spot and had yeah caused

it to yeah an earthquake caused by ghosts an earthquake probably caused by ghosts

okay so we both then Agree to Agree we're on the same page so the next ship

that was launched was the obvious one do we need to talk about this at all does anybody does is anybody ambiguous about

like what the tianic was what happened to it um I hope

not okay I'm sure everyone knows give us a quick a quick one quick run through

big ship hit Iceberg sank 1500 people died 700 were saved that's it I do have

a story about a couple who died on the Titanic that I do want to tell someday

but it involves it's not about the Titanic itself so anyway that's all all right

well uh nice little Cliffhanger um spoil join us next week for it's not next week

it'll be someday um so let's go to the third ship so the third ship uh has a pretty fascinating

life so this is the branic uh it like the other two ships was essentially designed as a pasture liner and then

immediately entered War service given that it launched right at the start of World War I I didn't know this but I guess like back then Britain could just

like take your stuff so like they would just go to White wh store and be like this isn't your pastor ship anymore this is our ship yeah I think I also knew

that CU like well I think I don't think that's exclusive to br CU I think other other ships that we've talked about you

know they they you know become ships for war and then go back to their owners or

whatever yeah yeah um well also it's worth noting that like you probably

don't want to take a pasture Cruise across the Atlantic when there's OTS and submarines like sinking everything in in

the way so that's happened to lisania yeah yeah they probably didn't want to actually do this so it was probably a s

for them um but this ship entered Service as a hospital ship that's why I

mentioned earlier it had the distinction of HMHS the HS in that is hospital ship

so because of the Titanic sinking the original design for branic which was again this Olympic class design that was

supposed to be uniform across the board ended up changing so part of what they did was they expanded the length of the

double Hull um to go alongside the engine room and also raise the watertight bulkheads higher than the

Titanic had them the theory being the higher those are the less likely they are to spill over the next one and cause

flooding I still haven't heard what the rashis for

not making the top of these things like water Ty I don't get it like

what happened with Titanic was like it dipped low and so water would spill from one top to the next top to the next to I

was like yeah why wouldn't why wouldn't that always happen like why would you ever assume that wouldn't be the case I don't get

it right like what you just seal up the whole thing right I don't know okay I literally was

just watching a video of that happening on Instagram recently because it's the thing yeah if you're a ship

historian please please write to us at dog.com so basically this ship had a lot

more safety features than Titanic had they learned a lot from Titanic essentially and so good I mean yeah well

this one for example had enough life rafts and stuff like that so um at 8:12

a.m. on November 21st 1916 a little less than a year after it originally

officially went into Service uh she struck a mine in the KE Channel which is

like around the UK and I guess like this is what this is what the ubos would do is just go around and just put mines up

everywhere in the shipping lanes which is like terrifying imagine like who went back and found

those okay I have a really crazy story about landmines this is not this is weird Okay

I'm just going to tell you I'm sorry um there's this band that the kids like called Perry grip like it's like a band

that plays like kid songs but like funny one of them is about these hero rats it's like hero rat saving people's lives

and I was like some of them are about about true stories like a monkey on a segue not true story you that they saw a

video of it and they made the song but the song about the hero rats I was like maybe that's true and I looked it up and there's places in the world where there

are landmines and they've trained giant rats to find them and the rats are not big enough to set them off but they can

find them and then people can go and turn them off is that cool what are you do in the ocean I have no idea but I'm

just telling you I know I know this thing about giant rant Dolphins so what should make a movie or

write a book about like a plane crashing in the Atlantic and then as it crashes it hits like a World War II landmine you

imagine how much bad luck that would be be so much bad luck in one one

sitting yeah so this is where we are we're 1916 November this thing strikes a

landmine planted by a uboat the water side doors were ordered sealed but apparently the bulkhead in two of them

was damaged to the point where the doors couldn't actually come down like they're like you know there steel gers that just

Twisted um regardless of that the ship could stay afloat with five the

compartments completely flooded uh and given the fact that the two were non-operational not a big deal we'll

just flood those two have those two flooded and the rest of the five will keep this thing a float that was the idea and that was actually a safety

feature ahead of the Titanic I forgot what it was I think Titanic was only four could be flooded and then it hit

five and that's what caused it to go down so fast actually it didn't go that down that fast it took like two hours

and 40 minutes so the problem here even though

it was just five compartments flooded was that a nurse who worked on the ship

wanted to ventilate the floor that she was on or the deck that she was on and she had left the port hole window open

despite the fact there was a standing order that you could never leave these vessels Port holes open and so Water

started flooding in this thing was listing because it was only hit on one side so five compartments filled it

listed to one side it dropped below the waterline of this one port hole on the

first deck that had Port holes in it and water just started fting in through there that was it wow yeah so the

captain at that point uh didn't know how bad the situation was he ordered that the ship be steered towards nearby land

in the in an attempt to basically run out of ground uh the explosion was in the bow which lifted the rudder and

propellers like out of the water ultimately out of the water so it was the same way that Titanic kind of ended up before it spped in half um as a

result of this it made maneuvering it incredibly because your manner of maneuver in the propeller and Rudder are

not totally in the water so right at this point the captain had yet to order

lifeboats um to be launched but despite this third officer a guy named Francis laws decided to do this on his own

against the captain's orders he ended up lowering two life boats filled with people and an absolute hero you want to

hear how the sends no is it did he do something wrong because that's exactly what you should do is not listen to your boss and get the [ __ ] out continue

uh L listen closer to see if Taylor's correct so again the captain was trying

to steer this thing to an island to run it ashore to limit the potential loss of

life so the propellers were still moving but like I said the front of the ship the bow was coming was going deeper into

the water what happens when that happens the stern and the propellers go higher in the water and they were partially out

of the water as these life posts were being launched and as a result they end up sucking the lifeboats into the

spinning propeller blades and killing 30 people on them so so should we listen to

Taylor's advice or I mean we absolutely should always you should always just leave because if

you're in a burning building and you don't leave because your boss tells you to stay I think you should leave okay I'm

gonna yeah I'm not gonna stop my like thing that I stand by I mean that sucks but

also worth a shot yeah I guess worth a shot well the the sad part of that is

that the only 30 people that died were those people and there was 1,66 people on the on the

ship and 136 survived so um that was kind of uh where that ended up so they

the reason there were so many more survivors were several very very obvious reasons one was the Titanic sank in 28

degree water I read this that like if you survive 15 minutes in 28° water water you are

incredibly lucky biologically like you should not be able to like several minutes should be enough to kill you in

28 degree water um in the case of bratanic it sank in 68 degree water

which is like much more I mean it would still suck but it's much more survivable

the other incredibly obvious thing was again lessons learned from Titanic they actually had the right amount of lifeboats on this ship and so actually

had as many lifeboats as it needed for the pasture load that it was carrying is so everybody was on the boat

andhm the other thing did they get in life boats eventually that yeah yeah yeah yeah so so what what

it was obvious so what happened was things started capsizing again it was hit on one side so one half was getting flooded it started capsizing by that

point when the Rudders came out of the water and the P came out of the water the captain was like I can't steer this

and also they suspect that his desire to try and run this thing ground ground was

was actually causing it to flood way faster than it would have ordinarily so like I said before Titanic ended up

being totally flooded and sinking at about two hours of 40 minutes after striking the iceberg in this case it

only took 55 minutes so they think that the fact that he was trying to get this thing to land was rushing forcing water

in Faster um and so it became obvious to him at some point that he had to abandon ship which is what he

did so the wreckage itself um is actually only 400t in the water it was

discovered in 1975 by jackow it came to rest on its side and holds a distinction

of being the largest pasture liner to sink which is pretty cool um there have

been man dives down to the wreck with some going all the way inside of this thing which sounds absolutely terrifying

like okay I have a big question now why not just do that instead of try to go to

tianic can't you be like close enough to the experience but I can like go in

it that sounds so scary you think that's scary I say no that that's like what

they would love to do if they were able to do it God I'm getting scared in this

room yeah well I think I mean that's I was actually like thinking about this to I

was like why is it that Titanic has such a draw of people like what is like so unique about it that like it's still 110

years later people were still killing themselves to go down there I don't I don't totally get it so I mean I'm with

you um there's got to be something there I don't totally understand it but despite that that doesn't mean that people aren't dying in this thing either

so so far two people have died going into the wreck um because other advice

like don't go into a sea cave yeah it's just so I don't know what it is about this stff it just like

haunts me like I don't know if it's just if it's a me thing but it's so scary if you at wage of this thing it's like can

you imagine going down and being like I'm going to go inside this thing like it's unbelievable um so that's where it

is and as for the owners of it so in 1947 13 years after that merger I

mentioned earlier kard ended up buying out all of white star Line's interest in the joint operation about a 38% interest

in the merge business and that essentially just ended white Line's um existence so there is there's there's a

I'll discuss what the concept of white line currently means but there's not like a company called White Starline so

in 1999 kunard was sold to Carnival and Carnival basically retained the brand as

it's like premium luxury brand and operates the Queen Mary 2 Queen Victoria and Queen Elizabeth um the flavor of

these are very much up market and like not tack if you look up these ships like they don't look like these stupid ships

that you see right now with like giant like you know water par on them and stuff like that they're like very much

meant for like an upscale clientele their event cruises for example include literal like literature festivals at see

and Symphony Orchestra cruises so like that's their their Vibe um and so as it

relates the white star brand so Cunard as its own brand Under

Carnival they have certain Concepts we refer to as like white star so for

example their um officer training program is called white star white star

program or school or something some Academy or something like that it's like they retain some vestages of the brand

and the name but as far as like a company right now it's um it's not really it's not really a thing anymore

so that's my story what' you think interesting I like it um I can't believe that like there

was I can't believe that like just it all went so poorly for all of them yeah you know it's like not just

one but like all of them it went poorly for that's really bizarre which actually was I thought

about this because one I think it's Kira right wrote to us and brought up the uh

Queen Mary which I think is or I mean it definitely was docked in Long Beach

California and I started looking into that and so thank you for your recommendation Kira but and then I sort

of like again these things just take you down these weird winding roads and I was like what else was there with like everybody talks about Titanic like what

else was there and I started going into this like okay like there's like a rich history that overlaps with World War I it overlaps with a Great Depression it

overlaps like with a lot of stuff which is kind of interesting well the Queen Mary is definitely still there because I

was there I was in LA and like before Halloween and for whatever reason it was

Shaq was like the host of sha toober at the Queen Mary that's right you like

Halloween Shack you said they don't do the um Halloween tours anymore right I

don't know probably do if it was sh October I'm sure they do no I think we talked about that

before you like they some company bought it and decided not to do it anymore um I don't think so but I don't know but at

least they were doing it last October nice nice um so yeah that's my story um

if you want to dive into conspiracy theories Taylor just gave us a pretty good one which is

something I'm probably gonna look into but um TVD so um cool I have have a little

bit of I do I have some listener mail okay um so this is from Morgan do you

remember last week when I was like oh that guy Robert Reich who's always on the internet yeah okay well I'm an idiot

and I want you to tell me I want to tell you everyone that now I know who he is and let me just read from his Wikipedia

page Robert Reich is his quote from Wikipedia he's an American Professor author lawyer and political commentator

he worked in the administrations of presidents Gerald Ford and Jimmy Carter and served a Secretary of Labor from

1993 1997 in the cabinet of Bill Clinton he was also a member of President Barack Obama's economic transition Advisory

Board blah blah blah blah blah blah blah he's very very accomplished and I'm dumb for not knowing who he was no it's fine

I mean we don't apologize to the world now I know now you know he's um he

was part of the yeah he was part of like this interesting there's a co-ord of

political Consultants that like I am infinitely fascinated with and he was

part of he's part of like that universe that is just like this old hat Statesman

you know like like just very much like steeped in like almost like a historian

as much as a politician and so absolutely that's exactly right that's exactly right so you can like see what's going on now and be like whoa whoa whoa

wait so somebody wrote to you and described to you who he is I mean my friend Morgan told me who he

wasen but she was you know wasn't a stranger but I'm sure people were thinking it thank you for not Lassing Taylor

thank you um sweet well again write to us at Doom toell po gmail.com find us on

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Taylor