Doomed to Fail

Ep 99 - Dying in the Deep: The Blue Hole

Episode Summary

Farz just wants everyone to have a panic attack - today, he talks about one of the places on Earth where people keep diving and dying. We travel to Egypt at the edge of the Red Sea to The Blue Hole - where divers challenge themselves to swim under an underwater arch - unfortunately, it's a lot harder than it sounds, and some don't make it back. He tells the doomed story of Yuri Lipski who brought a camera with him and we can watch as he gets lost under the sea. It's very scary.

Episode Notes

Farz just wants everyone to have a panic attack - today, he talks about one of the places on Earth where people keep diving and dying. We travel to Egypt at the edge of the Red Sea to The Blue Hole - where divers challenge themselves to swim under an underwater arch - unfortunately, it's a lot harder than it sounds, and some don't make it back. He tells the doomed story of Yuri Lipski who brought a camera with him and we can watch as he gets lost under the sea. It's very scary. 

Episode Transcription

Hi Friends! Our transcripts aren't perfect, but I wanted to make sure you had something - if you'd like an edited transcript, I'd be happy to prioritize one for you - please email doomedtofailpod@gmail.com - Thanks! - Taylor

we're back it

should be a Wednesday when you're hearing this it'll be Wednesday so hopefully y'all have had

a fantastic week um we are glad to be joining you midweek we're going into the

weekend soon um I have no idea what I'm rambling about at this point um but Taylor how are you doing good good good

good I am it is I think I said last or last episode it's raining but which is

so good because we had two Baseball games today that got cancelled so that is great so I can just like pack and be

ready to go because by the time you hear this I'll be in Tokyo I've um I've realized you know

it's it's funny because I think of myself as like there's always something going on like there's always a schedule

there's always a plan there's always a thing to do there's never like just like pure unadulterated downtime and then I

think about your life and I'm like it's I probably have it easier than I think I

have it like the schedule that I've given to the grandparents for the time that we're away is like okay so 4:15

Orchestra 450 Spanish 512 piano 6 o'clock baseball like it's my God that's

insane and you're working and Juan is working yes and you're SHO in for a

Subaru and you're deciding on the color green it's just like so much I

know so Kos to you Taylor I do not I I definitely do not have what it takes I

mean you fit you fit your life into the time that you have you know like I feel like when I was childless and whatever I

was like I'm so busy and tired and I'm like well I'm so busy and tired but like I know I'm doing like th a thousand

times more stuff I'm doing this right right that's a good point you fit your life into the time you have that's a

really good way to put it yeah um so cool well we we're doomed to fail thanks for joining us again um we're going to

be covering my side of the episode Spectrum today I'm going to stop

referring to things I do on the Spectrum that's not a good look but uh that is what we're going to be doing um I'm

going to start actually well you know what I'm going to put it leave it for the end never mind I was going to answer some questions first but we'll leave

that at the end so Taylor uh to today I'm going to be covering a story about a

place that is a type of place that I have

tremendous fears of and I feel like we kind of have touched on this before I

know I've talked to you about it before in some capacity but I don't think I've ever done an episode on it I literally did a Google or search cuz we're like

almost 100 episodes so it's hard to remember exactly what we've covered and so I've had to do a search on our um on

our podcast for out if I've ever done this topic or not but I'm going to be talking about cave diving which have I

talked to you about this or am I making stu up no we've definitely talked about it it sounds awful you're talking about like under

thewater cave d right right right yeah not just like spelunking and having it

go bad you're talking about no not spelunking I'm talking about like the most horrifying things combined into one

that being being underwater with no way of getting out being super deep underwater not knowing what's down there

being stuck being claustrophobic being trapped it's just like the worst of everything yeah we definitely talked

about it but I feel like not not like specifically but because it's terrifying and we agree agree to agree and I don't

know why I keep coming back to it like there's some things I'm afraid of that for whatever reason I keep coming back

to like in cave diving was one of those like I went through a whole Spiel like maybe a year and a half ago where I watched everything YouTube had on cave

diving gone wrong and then I saw paying attention to it moved on to other things and then it recently just came back up

for me and the algorithms might just know me well enough to know when to kind of poke me on certain topics I think

they just caught me on this one so that's what I'm going to be covering and

I want to be referencing several things go ahead sorry

um oh do you remember how Natalie Wood the actress you know who that is she how she was mortally afraid of of

drowning and then she drowned yeah Christopher Walkin probably killed her right

bananas um but yeah what I'm going to go through is I'm actually going to reference uh a YouTube channel a great

YouTube channel like usually this these things aren't really well produced but this one's incredibly well produced like

these guys are real pros of it it's called Dive talk and it's a it's a

usually like a 15 to 20 minute long um episode per that is just these dive

Masters these absolute Pros watching or talking about Dives that have gone wrong

and what they should have done or what they didn't do that could have been done or what they would have done in those

situ it's just really interesting just hearing like that perspective which

again you know Monday morning quarterbacking like obviously when you're not in the moment and it's not

your own life at risk you're going to think a lot clearer than when you're underwater your visibility is completely

clouded by sediment and you're running out of oxygen like totally different

going be like don't don't do that to start with right don't yeah just don't

do don't do it I I have thought Taylor that that is probably going to be like I

don't know like that I might be so afraid of it that I might actually do it because I'm so it's it's almost

debilitating how scared of it I am but I feel like you're going to be like like don't do like 55 and have like a weird

crisis and then like all of a sudden you're gone no no no I'm gonna I'm gonna

my midlife price is going to be getting a green Subaru we can drive them next to each

other drive them next to each other so the topic I'm going to cover is actually

kind of similar to my last topic uh it has a similar distinction as Mount

Everest does in that it is a underwater cave system that also has a number of

bodies in it that are unrecoverable and so what I'm going to talk a little bit is about this cave

itself and then go into a discussion around the most famous known death

within it um and then I'm going to read a listener message from naen that she

wrote into to us and and answer a question that she asked so let's um let's go straight there for now

so the cave I'm going to be covering is called the Blue Hole in dahab Egypt um

it is also known as diver Cemetery hate that oh this I feel that

this is did you watch the deepest breath for this no but I did find out researching yeah when I was researching

I realized the deepest breath I I've seen it and like or i' I saw it on YouTube and I never watched it but then

I was researching this and they talked about it so yes if you've seen deepest breath you'll know what this is so oh my

God this is so scary yeah yeah and so you you've probably all heard of blue

holes because there's a lot of them like any depression in the in the sea or the

ocean that goes straight down is essentially a sinkhole and that is what

they refer to as blue holes typically over time what happens is ocean waters carves through the Limestone Rock

whatever it is and creates a cave system and so that's basically what happened here in this part of Egypt so

I'm going to describe it a little bit um obviously you know we know blue holes are but it's important to know what the features are that are kind of around it

so again the C the Blue Hole itself is in dahab Egypt um which is on the Red

Sea it is located in the middle of a c Reef within a few feet like the entryway

to the Blue Hole itself is like a few feet away from the beach and I looked it up I looked up the not not yell but on

Google Maps it has like the the businesses that are dotting that area is it this cute quaint little Beach town they have like cafes the

little shops looks absolutely adorable that's what the guy in the deepest breath they had like a diving school there I am getting afraid thinking about

like swimming 10 feet on the surface above the blue hole that underneath you

I know yeah I know yeah there's a specific phobia that's called that I definitely have I absolutely have that

phobia and I can't remember what it's called um but it's something about like how the fear of like what like deep

water I forgot what it's called but anyways um so like I said it's a tiny

little coastal town it's bit of a touristy destination and so you have

like the from the oceans side you have the Blue Hole you have this coral reef you have this tiny little cute little

quaint town then behind it you have this like mountain range so I can see why if you're in the area yeah go visit go

visit it's got to be lovely so yeah part of the reason why fatalities here are

pretty high has to do with some features of the Blue Hole that people come to dive to in see into to experience it

also just generally has to do with the area as a whole because again it's a touristy spot if you're a recreational

diver then it's perfect for what you do like there's people snorkeling in there like there's it's great it's great for

all that stuff um and one other aspect is that the water temperature is really

amazing it's like 68 degrees which is good for well it's good for diet it's not at the level where people would be

scared or IFI it it's 68° throughout the water column so it's consistently 68 de so people feel like you know I'm not

doing like a big ocean thing I'm doing like a small little there's kids waiting in the pool next to me thing so it kind

of lulls you into thinking it's like a benign thing that you're doing when obviously history is going to show that

it's not so feature-wise there are two distinct parts to the Blue Hole that are

relevant if you're looking out from the beach over towards the ocean over the Blue Hole you'll notice there's like a

part of it that is like visible on the far Edge which is like the outer lip of the Blue Hole that is called the saddle

which is the top of the Blue Hole essentially covering covering its end the

ocean the other side of it on the northeast part of of the Blue Hole

looking out again from the beach side is a feature called the arch so this was

discovered by Israeli divers in 1968 during a brief moment when Israel

occupied the Sinai Peninsula which now is part of Egypt um and that's when they

started mapping out this cave and they found this feature that is called the arch so for

context the saddle part of the Blue Hole um that's 23 feet deep so what you're

looking at if you're looking at it from the top down where you're seeing the rock formation part of it that's 23 feet

under the water M uh if you're technical enough you can go down to approximately

170 ft which is when you see the top of the arch that part is the key the top of

the arch starts at 170 feet and if you go into it then you swim out 85 ft and

you pop out of the ocean and that's what it is that's like what people go there to do that's what the fun thing is to

do the depth of where the arch starts is partially wide this area is littered

with body so it's almost at the depth where you

well it's it's pretty much at the depth where you should be a technical diver to do this dive so being a technical diver

all obviously means you have certifications and paperwork and all that stuff but the biggest thing that it means is that you are not diving on

straight oxygen which we've talked about before if you drive on straight oxygen you go deep enough into the ocean of the water column then you are subject to nit

Narcosis you're subject to this feeling of being stupid you're subject to embolisms there's a whole host of

horrible things that can happen so as a technical diver when you go deep enough you have to be breathing this special mixture combination of chemicals instead

of regular atmospheric O2 so if you see the top of the arch then

yeah you would basically just swim through it and that's kind of like that's all you're really looking for because if you don't get to the Top If

you don't find the top the arch the bottom of the arch ends nearly 400t at the bottom on a steep slope that

goes directly into the Red Sea terrifying um

terrifying and so a lot of folks go there thinking that okay I'm going to be

on this cusp of needing to be a technical diver it's beautiful the weather's great the water's great you

know all this stuff and they hop in with regular O2 and they either miss the arch

or they realize after going in that they don't have enough um oxygen or cognitive

cap abilities to go all the way through the gateway to the ocean and so that's kind of where the deaths happen couple

questions how long does it take to swim down to the top of the arch so I don't know that but I know how

long it doesn't take because we're going to cover that wait I'm going turn my camera off I didn't hear that say it

again so so I don't know how long it takes to descend down to hit the arch I

know that it is it is dramatically less than two minutes so I would assume based

on what I'm about to tell you about the story that we're going into that you probably should be looking for the arch

after descending somewhere around 45 seconds or so but do you have you don't have an oxygen tank or

you do yeah yeah you have an oxygen tank well so a lot of people so a lot of

people have oxygen tank but what you're supposed to be what you're supposed to have is this triex mix of chemicals

sorry gases you're supposed to be breathing why again because it's deep

enough to where oxygen at that depth gets compressed within your lungs and

your system the breathing it causes what's called nitrogen Narcosis which is

this intoxication feeling you're confused you're high you feel a little bit drunk like that's kind of that's

what you need to avoid so you have your faculties about you to be able to do what you need to do and then beyond that

you also need to run compression stops so if you're doing it really diligently

you're breathing this Trix mix and you have planned um decompression stops on

the way up the water column that's that's how you're supposed to do it but again given that this is a tourist destination given that it's like right

on that cus people are going down there and doing this with regular O2 on on their backs so I'm thinking okay that's

totally that that clears it up for me so I'm thinking like scuba divers can scuba diive for like a really long time but

they don't go that deep yeah yeah yeah totally so it's like the depth it's not like it takes like two minutes to get

there but you're going so deep that like a problem exactly it's always depth it is always always depth um

so rough estimates I couldn't find precise numbers rough estimates put the number of deaths at the Blue Hole it's

somewhere around 200 people um most recreational diving here started like in

the early 2000s so that's like the timeline you're looking at so roughly two deaths a year give or take happened

here at this Blue Hole um we're going to go over one of those stories here now so on April 28th of 2000 a Russian dive

instructor named Yuri lipsky visited dahab with the goal of diving Blue Hole

he was warned against this by the local dive expert who was certified for technical diving basically this guy was

like hey he asked Yuri asked his technical diver to take him down and he was like I'm not going to do it he asked

him twice and he said no um and that guy's name was Tark Omar part of the screenshots that I saw when I was

researching this was from the deepest breath so I think he's in that right he probably is yeah so um anyways Yuri

decided against T's advice to take this dive and so on this day on the 28th of

2000 he put on a single tank of atmospheric pressure of to strapped

weights in a GoPro to himself I I wrote GoPro but no it was not a GoPro he was not doing a GoPro with it like he had

like a real camera like this is a real sizable thing and he entered the Blue Hole so strapping weights to yourself

next thr I know I read that was like I don't want to do that I really

really don't th% no it's like the joke right it's like

it's like when you hate someone like just strap waist yourself and walk off appear like you're legitimately doing this so it looks like he entered the

water at around 5:00 p.m or so um but I don't actually know for sure if that's local time or not I'll tell you how we

know that here in a minute um he never came back up he never surfaced and

apparently his mother knew what his plans were and so she presumably didn't

hear from him assume the worst and given how small this little town was uh she reached out to some folks and nobody had

heard from Yuri and she eventually learned of this guy tar who was the

technical dive person on on this on this part of the uh this part of dahab and so

the Assumption was that something happened to him while he was on this dive so tar at this point had become The

Unofficial body recover in dahab and he decided that he was going to dive in and

jump in and see what happened what is worth he says he does this all always pro bono like he never charges anyone to

do this which is kind of noble I would I would charge you a million dollars if you wanted me to go recover the corpse of your dead person's body yeah I feel

like I'd save people for free but I wouldn't that's too that's being too

nice being too generous yes so um so tar hops to the

Blue Hole again technical diver he puts on his Trix does all the things that he's supposed to do and he goes all the

way down to the bottom so at 400 feet on the C FL he finds Yuri's body and is

able to bring it back to the surface um on it he finds this camera

which apparently had been raided to be used underwater up to 280 feet but somehow this thing still worked and it

actually captured the entire dive which is terrifying like you what happened you

can legitimately watch this thing you go on YouTube and just look up Yuri blue hole and it's the first thing that pops up um what you see on the video is that

almost immediately after entering the shaft part of the Blue Hole the part that you're just supposed to descend down you can't see anything so it's

super dark so if your even if your lights looking forward you could be swimming right in front of the arch and

not know it so he clearly misses the AR you know he misses it because you also

miss it you can't see where it's at that's why when you ask like at what point you hit I was like I don't know because I watched the entire thing over

and over again I couldn't see where you would see the arch so for the vast

majority of this video you're literally staring out into open like the tunnel that leads into open ocean you're

staring into open ocean but you don't know that because it's invisible in front of you so it does it does not

appear that he's monitoring his depth or his rate of descent whatsoever because the only time you really hear and sense

the panic in is breathing is around the six- minute mark from when the dive starts I say six minute Mark that's when

he entered the water but like when you enter the water you're still like the coral part it's beautiful it's blue up

there like there's other divers down there there snorkelers it's like that thing and then he enters this part that

weighs completely alone this shaft part but he enters um it's about six minutes

in from the start of the video until this point and you start hearing the panic in his breathing and you're like

oh something went really wrong because you can see that the camera is looking

down and seeing ground and it's at that point you hear a beeping happening on

this dive computer he's wearing on his wrist and he waves it in front of the camera he's looking at it but you can't

really tell what it says it's just beeping at this point so something's gone wrong and he's like realized oh [ __ ] something's gone really really

wrong so he's at the bottom he's on oxygen only and he starts kind of

stumbling around the bottom like it looks like a drunk person dragging

themselves along like a street except you're at the bottom of the ocean at this point um he starts fumbling around and

presumably he's trying to release his weights to ascend which again he's

suffering from Narcosis at this point like he is confused he doesn't know what's going on around him and he's

feeling super high super drunk at this point and regardless if he ascended if its weights had dropped the oxygen in

that is compressed in his lungs would have rapidly expanded because he wouldn't have had the forethought to

decompress on his way up he also would have had the tanks to decompress he only went down there with one oxygen tank and

so it probably would have killed him anyways if he just ascended all the way to the top

but between the time of seeing kind of what I mentioned earlier of that clear

fresh flu water that was you know tranquil and full of swimmers and divers

until you see the sea floor two minutes just two minutes so it went by super

quick which like again that's why I'm kind of guesstimating like probably in the 30 to 40 second range is like when

you should be seeing this thing given how quickly he dropped but again it's all variable so I watched that dive talk

guy the YouTube channel talking about this dive and one thing he said about this is that the weight component of

this is incredibly critical because because a you have all your you have

your own body weight then you have all your gear then this guy also added on apparently what is a rather large camera

system to be able to record all this stuff and on top of that there's a distinct difference between how your

body your body buoyancy acts whether it's in freshwat versus salt water and

after that the fact that there might be Parts within the water column that you're hitting fresh water or water that

isn't as Salient or saline whatever you want salty it's not as salty as other

parts of the water so you descend at different levels and so getting this calculation wrong is super super

important making sure that you can time when you should be doing a certain thing in the water column which he obviously

couldn't or didn't wow so one YouTube comment I read on this

that was it's super poiny if you watch the video is that the line between when

things are fine and when things are bad it's like impossible to discern

you're watching this video and like again it goes by really quick you're like I don't know I don't know am I looking into the ocean am I looking at the archway am I looking at what am I

all of a sudden you're looking down like that's not good that's the ocean floor I shouldn't be here it just happened so

seamlessly um and this is be this is the most famous death at the Blue Hole

specifically because we can see it happening and because he recorded which is super rare the only other time I've

actually seen a video like this was it was a it was it was from 1994 there's this guy named Deon dryer he dove into

to this other Blue Hole the sinkhole actually that's not a blue hole it was a sinkhole because it's freshwat so

they're different but it was another sinkhole full of water it was about 927 ft to the bottom and a diver had tried

to go to the bottom before and had died his name was David Shaw apparently his body was never recovered there's this

guy named Deon dryer who found it by accident one when he was down there at one point in 1984 he went down to

recover it and he recorded himself doing it and it's the exact same thing except this time he intended to go to the

bottom but when he gets to the bottom he's hit with the Narcosis and he's like he doesn't know what to do like he's just fumbling his hands he doesn't know

where he's at like it's it sounds terrifying like if anybody knows what this feels like please write to us I'm

actually like I don't want to know because I would be dead but it's it's

Gotta it's got to be terrifying like you even know that you're under water like there's so many stories of this that I read where people would be hit with this

and then they would either start deing under like getting undressed under water or removing their their Regulators out

of their mouth because they they like assume they're on water they're like that high on something it's yeah it

sounds like when you're like um so cold you take off your clothes

yeah yeah you're just like confused and like normal things don't my sense anymore your brain's just playing tricks

on you it sounds it sounds horrible but um so that one the Dion dryer one that

one's called bushman's um bushman's hole that one's also recorded so it's really just these two that I found there were

actually recordings of people going through the Narcosis part of this um uh

on video so you have that uh in 2014 um there was another round of technical

divers and you can tell how different it is because you look at these guys they have like hundreds of pounds of equipment on

them like all these different kinds of tanks with different kinds of mixtures of them like it is like that's the level

of detail you need to go through when you do this kind of diving apparently and they ended up documenting um three bodies so there's a video that

you can actually find um so again this is the dive talk YouTube channel this video is called diers reacted to bodies

found at world's deadliest dive site and it's around the 4 minute 50c Mark that

you start seeing bodies they literally record these bodies on the on the bottom of this Bottom of the Sea for and they

find three of them apparently these three are somewhat known to the people

that live in this part um they are all men who died in the 1990s they weren't

really discovered until the 2000s and apparently the reason they're still

down there is because they're basically just gelatin inside of a diving suit and

so recovering the body at this point is there's no utility to it like there's nothing you would really be able to

bring up and you'd probably die trying anyways and so they just like [ __ ] leave him down there but um so so

anyways that is is that is a story I was going to cover for today I do I'll pause there tell if you have any thoughts on

that or things you want to add no that's crazy don't think you should go there you you'll know yeah you you'll

know because um there is there's another part of blue hole

that's I don't know maybe like 20 yards from the actual Beach part it's called

um it's called Bells it's a Bells passage or Bells something I didn't write it down but

that's where like recreational divers go that one you only go 30 feet underwater and you actually go through the cave

system and you come out the Blue Hole so obviously you're not going anywhere near the arch um but apparently on the walk

from where you would park your car to where you go to the dive site for bells there's just tombstones of all the

people that have died there I saw that yeah yeah yeah there's one that says don't let fear stand in the in the way

of your dreams that one's for a guy named James Paul Smith and I am going

to um counterbalance that and say guys always let fear seeand of the way of your dreams always like literally just

like never never never never stop surrendering to

fear I love that that's really great yeah can you can you can you make sure

that that goes my Tombstone yes never stop surrendering to your

fear perfect um so yeah that is that is my story I have a little um uh ants slur

component I want to discuss about the Everest podcast as well but I'll pause there for you no that's scary another

scary thing feel nervous which is great I just love feeling nervous so thank you

for that yeah totally totally um I can't shout out the dive talk guys enough like

you will spend if you start right now you won't stop watching until you're

done like you will abandon your life and dreams and just watch this YouTube video it is so interesting totally um but we

did get a message from nen thank you for writing in naen always love your questions you mentioned about whether Sherpas have summited many times um so

actually yeah so apparently the top 10 most Summits of Everest of all time have

B have just been Sherpas because they keep going back to your point of just basically being there for the rich folks

who are hiring them um and there's one person one sh named Cammy Rita which I'm

sure I'm mispronouncing and he has summited a record 28 times whoa

yeah yeah so that's so ridiculous that like he he can just do that and he's not

like on the news all the time it's kind of like when you see those it's kind of

like when you see those goats that are on like these Cliffs that are sheer Rock faces and you're like yeah what is

happening like it's really incredible how is that even possible I mean I think if you just live there it's like yeah

all right whatever yeah hey I'm gonna leave and go up to the summit of ever I'll be back by dinner I guess like it's

just normal fine I'll take your your money rich guy who wants to do this but like I do it all the time make y yeah it

kind of made me think like like I don't feel as weird about like rich people using them for this because it's like

yeah like they probably they just do this like it's not a big deal to them and they can make money so

really wild um with that said I am going to let Taylor kind of play us out and I'm going

to mute myself while my dog is barking at probably a squirr that's outside that is going to drive pretty insane

wonderful um thank you fars and um thank you everyone for listening we are going

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